EPTWhy do we have mathematics in school? - Page 4
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On October 15 2010 15:59 semantics wrote: I rather have my linear algebra with it's sexy matrices. As for math in liberal arts. The ability to derive equations based off data and observations is integral to understanding how to keep yourself in a fiscally responsible situation. Although with encouraging the students into using critical thinking, which if one can think and ask questions and verify things all things critical to journalism which is in liberal arts or writing which is also in liberal arts. Even painting and graphic design all has roots with math. How do you know keep certain ratios and things known to be ascetically appealing., though statistics and science all which have strong roots in math. If you ever were going to understand something not just do something math will help you =p Mmm matrices, what would I ever do without them. Use Dirac notation I guess. On October 15 2010 15:23 alffla wrote: FUCK I HATE MATH. well i love trig and geometry and stuff rolf but other than that anythign more complicated i start to lose interest.. >_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra-ket_notation I bet I could make you enjoy the complicated looking math in there within a week! The problem with how math is presented in many cases (and I like math) is that there is no motivating force behind it - it's just here is this and that and there and blah blah blah, which I must say is boring as fuck and would not grab my attention. And I like math, so that's saying something. Or, I could answer the question of why tensor products with composite states (ok not that short and dirty, but threads are threads), and why define a unitary operator? with conservation of probability and its relation to real measurements - real quantum gates, and so on. Imho it's a lot easier to learn a certain subset of math when it has direct impact and use on a subject which on a higher level you have deep interest in. That's why learning all the math surrounding quantum is easy for me - the math is motivated by the quantum which is motivated by quantum computing/information. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf for the record this is a systematic demolition of pretty much every defence of the mathematics curriculum in both linear argument and pseudosocratic dialogue. It's a thing of beauty that will bring tears to your eyes. You should read it. | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
Okay, okay I kind of bsed that last line, but I believe my first statement is fairly accurate. | ||
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Reflex
Canada703 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:36 Reflex wrote: Why we need math in school: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN9LZ3ojnxY I think this is why people need to write down units. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
You also use mathematics in everyday life. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
Education isn't some object a central planner can easily regulate, like how many seatbelts a car has, or the concentration of fluoride in the water. No, it is much more personal, something that should be left for the student, and its parents whilst a minor. Not just because it's the most moral path, but also the most pragmatic for the purpose of specialization, and therefore superior wealth in society. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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PetitCrabe
Canada410 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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Galois
United States124 Posts
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
![[image loading]](http://images.travelpod.com/users/pierrez/worldholdon.1173252120.destroyed_building.jpg) By now no one takes this seriously anymore and nobody cares, but the irony in anyone asking how mathematics entered the liberal arts historically and then huffing about the effort being put into their posts must be pointed out for me to be able to type a few pages about Mary Wollstonecraft. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On October 15 2010 18:28 tomatriedes wrote: I have a feeling this OP doesn't really want a debate- he wants someone to say the answer that he's already decided is the 'right' answer. You're irrelevant. Get out of this thread. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Math up to algebra should be required though, I agree. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On October 15 2010 15:18 Uranium wrote: Are you serious? Everything IS math. Our own existence could be described perfectly (in theory) using only mathematical functions, thereby proving that WE ARE MATH. MATH IS REAL. English is purely an invention of our own and not a "rudimentary subject" as you call it. Math is the most elementary subject and everything that you can possibly imagine is actually just math in some form or another. I don't think the socks I'm wearing right now are math and I am sure your math professor would agree. But if you did mean that everything - except you there - follows the laws of logic, then yeah, that's true. But it doesn't mean everything is logic. My socks for example aren't. They're a type of clothing. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On October 17 2010 21:16 Squeegy wrote: I don't think the socks I'm wearing right now are math and I am sure your math professor would agree. But if you did mean that everything - except you there - follows the laws of logic, then yeah, that's true. But it doesn't mean everything is logic. My socks for example aren't. They're a type of clothing. How many socks are you wearing? One on the left foot, one on the right foot? 1 + 1 = 2 Math bro | ||
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