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MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 03:11:22
October 08 2010 02:41 GMT
#1
Quoted from : http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/80504#blog

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-We're increasing roach range. This will allow roaches to be more effective in large groups, giving the zerg more options in the mid to end game.

-Fungal Growth will now prevent Blink, which will give zerg a way to stop endlessly Blinking stalkers which can be very challenging to deal with in large numbers.

-The Barracks are going to require a Supply Depot, which will impact a lot of early terran reaper pushes.

-The reaper speed upgrade will require the Factory, which is meant to weaken a lot of the early terran reaper attacks that dominate so many matches, especially in team games.

-We're making a number of increases to the health of zerg buildings, which will make the very vulnerable zerg technology structures more resistant to raids. We don’t expect these hit point changes to have a super significant impact on the game, but the current numbers felt way too low.


As a zerg player, im all for these buffs and nerfs
But as a player i will share my opinion on them

Roach Range Increase- YES! I always felt that roaches where really easy to kite around when i originally played as terran (this was during practice league for about 40 matches and then i switched to zerg) and as a zerg player stalkers dealt with roaches quite easily so im glad this is changing. Reapers and Hellions being the main thing i use roaches against so this really helps and I think this is a good change

Fungal Growth stopping Blink- This makes perfect logical sense to me. You get green moss spewed over your ENTIRE body/armor/w.e the hell you are, from head to toe so why should you move? So logically makes sense for me, and in the game when you fungal 30 stalkers and they just blink into you or away from you and you just want to go ARRGGHHHH and scream into your mic hoping they hear how mad you are

Supply Depot needed for Barracks-This really dents most cheese plays and mass reaper plays. Really like this all round. Most terran builds start off with a depot anyway. It also makes terran like protoss in the sense that protoss needs to make a pylon ALWAYS before they can warpgate, now terran must ALWAYS make a supply depot before a barracks, and this is similar in zerg, but very different at the same time, you need to sac a drone to build your pool. So all the races seem to even out in someway there.

Reaper speed needing a Factory-This is just directly aimed at that dominant reaper rush/push/harass and im unsure if this was needed. Reaper speed finishes at (nearly) the same time as metabolic boost. And speedlings are faster than upgraded reapers, but reapers can kite zerglings like crazy so maybe thats the justification of this change, im pretty iffy on this change, im unsure if it was necessary.

Health increase on Zerg Buildings-This is really needed i think. If it effects all buildings that would be perfect! Zerg buildings are very squishy compared to other races buildings.
Extractors have 500 hp 1 armor, Assimilators have 450hp 450 shield 1 armor and Refineries have 500hp and 1(+2) armor. Yes it is a simple building but its just an example that the zergs extractor is weaker than the other buildings, and im sure there are more, hence the buff

Overall im quite happy with these changes (bias?) lol
But what do you guys think? Im sure terran players are upset that their rush tactics are being dented

GL, HF, Peace

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I just wanted to share with you guys something that has me VERY confused
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WHY IS HE STILL BRONZE?!


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Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
October 08 2010 03:01 GMT
#2
No way.
Are these for real?!
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
October 08 2010 03:02 GMT
#3
Dislike the reaper changes. Rather than tweak a a strat, blizzard made it completely non viable. This has become a theme throughout the patches.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
October 08 2010 03:05 GMT
#4
As a Terran, it seems like all Zergs are just gonna 14 hatch without giving a fuck, unless we start doing some brutal cheeses, like 7 depot, 9 rax bunker (which is slow as fuuuuuuuuuck anyway).

A bit frustrated with the roach range buff, as that means I MUST have maruaders out to counter them. No wall off will save me here!

And of course the reaper opening is completely dead thanks to the fac change. Might as well have taken the tech out altogether.

I spose I'll have to either siege fast expand or no-gas fast expand from now and just accept the Zerg will make a hundred thousand drones. Or pray they cannot counter hellions, which most of them can.
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
October 08 2010 03:06 GMT
#5
Wait, SubtleArt, what? Last patch was just subtle tweaks (except tanks, which mostly just affected tvp and made TvT more interesting).

ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
October 08 2010 03:07 GMT
#6
On October 08 2010 12:05 iaguz wrote:
As a Terran, it seems like all Zergs are just gonna 14 hatch without giving a fuck, unless we start doing some brutal cheeses, like 7 depot, 9 rax bunker (which is slow as fuuuuuuuuuck anyway).

A bit frustrated with the roach range buff, as that means I MUST have maruaders out to counter them. No wall off will save me here!

And of course the reaper opening is completely dead thanks to the fac change. Might as well have taken the tech out altogether.

I spose I'll have to either siege fast expand or no-gas fast expand from now and just accept the Zerg will make a hundred thousand drones. Or pray they cannot counter hellions, which most of them can.


Great. Now you'll have a taste of how Zerg's early game feels.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 08 2010 03:13 GMT
#7
They are obviously looking at TvZ. Did they consider how this will affect TvP and ZvP?
Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
October 08 2010 03:18 GMT
#8
On October 08 2010 12:13 Chairman Ray wrote:
They are obviously looking at TvZ. Did they consider how this will affect TvP and ZvP?

Obviously they did.
Lol, I am confused to why everyone assumes that Blizzard is so stupid that they don't take into account all three races.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
October 08 2010 03:20 GMT
#9
While roach range buff is obviously going to be very helpful, it is definitely not a change I would want. I hate roaches
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zoltanqc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada171 Posts
October 08 2010 03:25 GMT
#10
Supply Depot needed for Barracks(...) now that sucks, rushing to OC is something I was starting to like TvP
AND THEN, THE INTERNETS EXPLODED.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 03:27:44
October 08 2010 03:27 GMT
#11
The developer Dustin Browder did say that the reason for these changes is because they find that zerg is underplayed and most zergs are lower in the ladder and struggling to rise in the ranks, so we can assume that this is to encourage more zerg play and help out noobies like me :D

Note: all paraphrased
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
October 08 2010 03:28 GMT
#12
You'll love em now.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 08 2010 03:44 GMT
#13
I think P needs a buff after these things.
:)
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
October 08 2010 03:44 GMT
#14
6 pool vs terrans is gonna run rampant throughout the lower leagues
Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 03:56:02
October 08 2010 03:54 GMT
#15
I think they overnerfed the reapers just a little bit. =\

Also that range buff on roaches is pretty crazy to, not only are they now unkiteable by reapers but the protoss roach proof wall wont work anymore.
All play and no work makes Jack unemployed.
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
October 08 2010 04:03 GMT
#16
what is to kite? does that mean micro? micro those vultures!
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MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
October 08 2010 04:05 GMT
#17
On October 08 2010 12:44 awu25 wrote:
6 pool vs terrans is gonna run rampant throughout the lower leagues

Yeah, I'm not so sure about this depot before rax thing...
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
October 08 2010 04:06 GMT
#18
why are people afraid of 6 pool rush as terran you can wall off before the lings get to you
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MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
October 08 2010 04:08 GMT
#19
On October 08 2010 13:06 Zeroes wrote:
why are people afraid of 6 pool rush as terran you can wall off before the lings get to you

Because in lower leagues, not only do lots not wall, but lots don't scout. It'll be a problem in lower leagues.
voss
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia146 Posts
October 08 2010 04:16 GMT
#20
What the hell? I play zerg an think all these buffs combined are too massive!

No more reaper harrass, no more zerg proof protoss wall + FE.

And structure health buffs?

Keep in mind that these are 'planned changes' which means that they are not certain. Also not there is not date set for these changes, so they may come with HotS...
piroko139
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States261 Posts
October 08 2010 04:35 GMT
#21
On October 08 2010 13:16 voss wrote:Also not there is not date set for these changes, so they may come with HotS...


The game has been out for about 2 months and you think a patch change announcement this early won't be released until the EXPANSION?
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
October 08 2010 04:56 GMT
#22
Like all of these except for supply before bunker, terran without proxyrax is terran without terran
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
October 08 2010 12:05 GMT
#23
On October 08 2010 12:06 iaguz wrote:
Wait, SubtleArt, what? Last patch was just subtle tweaks (except tanks, which mostly just affected tvp and made TvT more interesting).



And this one makes reaper openings completely useless
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 13:12:00
October 08 2010 13:06 GMT
#24
On October 08 2010 13:05 MutaDoom wrote:
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On October 08 2010 12:44 awu25 wrote:
6 pool vs terrans is gonna run rampant throughout the lower leagues

Yeah, I'm not so sure about this depot before rax thing...



Because the only counter to 6pool is 10rax...

Regardless, maybe requiring supply depot to build reapers and/or bunker would be good. Requiring it to build a barracks removes potentially funny cheese victories.
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 13:16:49
October 08 2010 13:08 GMT
#25
Hellion kiting Roach would be a bitch of a chore now (hellion 5 range, roach's patch range may be either 3.5 or 4), and basically impossible if Roach has speed upgrade. Reaper kitting Roach is impossible even for Boxer due to the micro intensity involved (reaper range 4.5, patch roach range either 3.5 or 4).

Also, terran walloff against zerg may be horrendous and non-viable on certain maps, especially the ones without ramps. Hopefully a marauder behind a depot can still shoot at the roach. And even if that is the case, the Terran need to constantly micro that marauder to keep it alive.

Also, the rax after depot thing...is that really necessary? Isn't cheese just part of what Starcraft is?

I don't quite understand the reaper upgrade on factory either. Reaper strats are iffy to begin with due to the high risk involved. Now it's completely invalid. The most use that a Terran will have for a reaper is to build a single one early for scouting and minor harass. There is no longer a meaning to building more than 2 in a game.

If Zerg can 6 pool, why can't we 10 rax?

Reaper will be the new Scout of SCII.

Wait, we already have the Mothership for that role.

Maybe BW queen or ghost? lol.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
October 08 2010 20:28 GMT
#26
such over reaction by blizzard ><
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
October 08 2010 20:45 GMT
#27
I felt like Blizzard's tweaks were gradually heading in the right direction already but they might have overdone it this time. People were complaining that bigger changes were needed but they clearly meant instead of the little tweaks not on top of them.

I hope their answer to Terrans having a lot of early game options isn't just to eliminate a bunch of them so that Zergs will start guessing right more often.
No I'm never serious.
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
October 08 2010 22:48 GMT
#28
On October 08 2010 13:16 voss wrote:
What the hell? I play zerg an think all these buffs combined are too massive!

No more reaper harrass, no more zerg proof protoss wall + FE.

And structure health buffs?

Keep in mind that these are 'planned changes' which means that they are not certain. Also not there is not date set for these changes, so they may come with HotS...


wait whats this about no more zerg proof walls as toss?
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
October 09 2010 00:00 GMT
#29
On October 08 2010 13:08 MutaDoom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 13:06 Zeroes wrote:
why are people afraid of 6 pool rush as terran you can wall off before the lings get to you

Because in lower leagues, not only do lots not wall, but lots don't scout. It'll be a problem in lower leagues.

Do you really think that balance changes are aimed to change the meta-game of bronze league players?
Scientia
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada31 Posts
October 09 2010 00:18 GMT
#30
On October 09 2010 09:00 sLiniss wrote:
Do you really think that balance changes are aimed to change the meta-game of bronze league players?


Not bronze league, 2v2.
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