EPTYes, I want to set up a PC bang in Paris >.< I don't know how PC bangs in KR are but I want mine to also be a competitive platform for tourneys and not just a place to come and play
My idea for a business
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
Yes, I want to set up a PC bang in Paris >.< I don't know how PC bangs in KR are but I want mine to also be a competitive platform for tourneys and not just a place to come and play | ||
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Redunzl
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On September 28 2010 17:23 PlaGuE_R wrote: Imagine a big cafe with free Wi-Fi, a nice big screen TV put agaisnt the wall, on the TV people are watching Football on match day, or CS, SCBW, SC2, and any other competitive games. Where does all the footage come from? The next room is a massive room filled with computers all connected to the net and each other in LAN. This is where people compete in games with tournaments each weekend with prizes for the winner. Yes, I want to set up a PC bang in Paris >.< I don't know how PC bangs in KR are but I want mine to also be a competitive platform for tourneys and not just a place to come and play Every single decent sized pc room that has opened in paris never ever lasted more than a couple of years. Or you're just laundrying dirty french mafia money through your business. Forget about it. Rather buy a couple bakeries and be rich :! | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
 And French authorities will not let you organize tournaments with a structure simlar to poker tournaments, they would consider it as a form of gambling. See what they did to online poker :'( Your chance is to contact the "Aviation Club de France" on the Champs Elysees and ask them to open an SC2 section and appoint you as the manager of this section ^_^ | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 28 2010 17:52 PlaGuE_R wrote: how is it gambling? there's no betting going on, its just the winner that gets a prize Well, when you play poker tournaments (not cash game), the structure is exactly the same as a SC tournament : Pay a buy-in. A part of the buy-in goes to the organizers. The rest goes to the prize pool. The top x players get a share of the prize pool. I agree this is not gambling, but I can already imagine the goverment arguing that : - there is money at stake - risk of addiction - lure of profit => same issues as gambling, but it's even worse because it will appeal underage people a lot more than casinos. Sad, but I know how french government works edit : typo | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/13/dossiers/jeux_argent.asp But the first question you should ask yourself is : Will I get any customer ? Why would people come to may cyber café and pay to play/watch games? Would any firm want to sponsor this ? I am living in paris, and i am not really interested in just a gaming cybercafé, but if there are regular prize tournaments ( non cash prize are good ) it would be more interesting. Of course, the entry fee of the tournament is quite a big factor too  | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 28 2010 18:16 PlaGuE_R wrote: how bout working around that by offering prizes that are non cash? like mouse pads, headsets, games etc Then people wouldn't be interested Most of the tournaments rewarding equipment are free participate and sponsored by the brand of the equipment. Cash tournaments are popular, because average players may think they could grab some money by cheesing their way, or with a little luck. edit : On September 28 2010 18:33 PlaGuE_R wrote: well the entry fee for a tournament wouldn't be very high, or it's pretty pointless. Something like 10-15 euros to enter, or 50 euros for a month membership with unlimited play time and access to all tournaments. You can't do this. You need an entrance fee to build the prize pool. You would have a bunch of dirty nerds who literally live in your cyber cafe. First it's not profitable, because 50euros per month is not enough to build the prize pool of the dozens of tournaments they will play. Second, they would disgust casual gamers ! In Asia, there are thousands of players who live in PC Bangs, eating instant noodles inside, sleeping on the desk. They only go back to their parents home like once or twice a week to shower... I promise you, you don't want that kind of people in your café. The monthly fee would be at least 400 euros to make it profitable lol ^^ | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
You can't do this. You need an entrance fee to build the prize pool. You would have a bunch of dirty nerds who literally live in your cyber cafe. First it's not profitable, because 50euros per month is not enough to build the prize pool of the dozens of tournaments they will play. Second, they would disgust casual gamers ! In Asia, there are thousands of players who live in PC Bangs, eating instant noodles inside, sleeping on the desk. They only go back to their parents home like once or twice a week to shower... I promise you, you don't want that kind of people in your café. The monthly fee would be at least 400 euros to make it profitable lol ^^ good point, lol, didnt think of that lmao. So yeah, no monthly fee, or at least with a limit of 5 hours a day or something >.< lol Seriously tho, like 5 euro an hour to play and 15 euros to enter a tourney i guess EDIT: Also, if i did get it going, getting a kind of sponsorship by ESL and WCG meaning that people could get ESL and WCG points while playing would also help IMO | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
but arcade fighting stations could fit in the cafe part of it for people. like SF on the big arcade machines | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
On September 28 2010 19:03 PlaGuE_R wrote: it'd be a platform for competitive gaming, since most of them are on PC ie: CS, SC, Quake Live, and all that then it would be pretty much only PCs but arcade fighting stations could fit in the cafe part of it for people. like SF on the big arcade machines You don't want to buy arcade machines. They are very expensive and you should only consider it if there's a game that's very big in the area, with little to no competition from other arcades. That way you're guaranteed to make back the investment of the machine. Otherwise consoles and a low-end PC can be cheap replacements, and fighting games are good fun for both the scrubbiest of scrubs and pros. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 28 2010 19:09 Adeny wrote: You don't want to buy arcade machines. They are very expensive and you should only consider it if there's a game that's very big in the area, with little to no competition from other arcades. That way you're guaranteed to make back the investment of the machine. Otherwise consoles and a low-end PC can be cheap replacements, and fighting games are good fun for both the scrubbiest of scrubs and pros. yeah, i guess u wouldnt need a high end PC to play a rom of SF or something ^_^ but then the problem is money, i dont have any XD this is just a vision of mine. Maybe i'll try and get sponsored lol | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
all of the PCs can play SC2, but not in high res .. but its really playable  .. it doesn't have SC2 but the specs are above the minimum req and the rates can be .20$ to .10$ )) | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On September 28 2010 19:16 PlaGuE_R wrote: yeah, i guess u wouldnt need a high end PC to play a rom of SF or something ^_^ but then the problem is money, i dont have any XD this is just a vision of mine. Maybe i'll try and get sponsored lol Money is not the issue as it is just a idea. The issue is actually finding a viable business model involving competitive gaming in France. Maybe you could take advice from LAN organizer to see how they manage to find sponsors/prizes for tournaments. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On September 28 2010 17:33 Boonbag wrote: Every single decent sized pc room that has opened in paris never ever lasted more than a couple of years. Or you're just laundrying dirty french mafia money through your business. Forget about it. Rather buy a couple bakeries and be rich :! LOL | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
There are wash saloons with bars or even live music, what about a wash saloon with pc bang combined? that would be awesome. We dirty nerds can finally wash our stuff without losing gaming time, we can still play in underwear (hell, we need to wash the rest) and even be socializing. What an idea! | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On September 28 2010 20:21 PlaGuE_R wrote: but this is France, not Phillipines. France is an expansive country >.< well thats not really a problem .. start with 10 PCs then 20 PCs then 30 .. manage it by yourself .. every cent counts .. use PCs that are fast enough to play SC2 in mid setting, those are cheap .. a PC unit that would cost 100$ each, based this out of newegg. you need to start small, but think big for the future .. 2 friends of mine who are in their 30s own cafes, one has 15 units the other has 35 units .. they all make big bucks, its pretty easy imo. you just need a rather large capital. it doesn't really matter where what country you are from. the equipment is practically the same price here and in the US so its safe to assume that its roughly the same there in france the internet connection is a problem since we pay 22$ for a 1mb connection monthly .. id say thats expensive .. so yeah .. edit: idk if im making any sense here .. i was doing something while replying here .. lol edit2: and maybe the rates of business spaces there are also expensive .. try to find a place that has few PC cafes but fairly crowded | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
What you got against bakeries ? They bring insane cash since Euro. | ||
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holydog
131 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 28 2010 21:59 Boonbag wrote: What you got against bakeries ? They bring insane cash since Euro. I'll ADD a bakery section to the cafe/PC Bang!!!! | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
anyway, I just want to tell you how pc bang in korea works: 1.price: 1 hour play costs max. 2 Euro. 2.well established system: The one i liked most was card which you can charge: You have to subscribe to get a card for a fee (about 5Euro) and the more hours you buy, the more you get. To play, you just put your card to PC. 3. culture: pc-bang is already a part of life in many young people in SK. Also many of them dont have time to go home and play because they have to learn tons of stuff in learning institution to get good grade in exams. So friends meet in pc bang after / before lessons and play. In comparison, imo there is completly different living art in EU because people tend to stay at home and play online. | ||
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NevilleS
Canada266 Posts
If I sound harsh, well, good. If you really want to pursue this, you will have to convince skeptics like myself to invest in you, like a business bank. There are TONS of people that sink thousands of dollars into personal ventures that will never go anywhere, simply because all their "friends" told them it was destined to succeed, just because they think they are being "supportive". If you really want to do this, you need to run some numbers. See how much it costs to rent the amount of space you would need. How much staff would be required to run the venue. What the business taxes are like. Start working out how much income you would need per month to turn a profit, then see how long it would take that profit to pay down the initial investment, assuming a reasonable interest rate (assuming you have never run a business, assume prime plus 5%, which still assumes you can get a business loan and not have to finance the whole thing on credit cards and lines of credit). | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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gods_basement
United States305 Posts
run some numbers, you're old enough to find whether its fiscally viable or not. (calculations in dollars) so you have initial investments 20 computers at 500-1000 a piece $15,000 20 chairs (nice ones or people wont come) $2000 Remodeling of a businessfront (? in usa it would cost 3000 minimum? not exactly sure) marketing to get your name out there? i dont think you have cash for it. 20,000 initial investment and monthly costs (running 40 hours a week) Rent 5,000 per month (pretty conservative, considering industrial area) utilities 100-500 replacement parts; use depreciation. chairs and computers have a life of 5 years max. about 300 dollars per month staff (2 at a time so one can go to the bathroom. Do they get a computer to play on?) minimum wage of 10 dollars an hour (probably more expensive in france) 3200 dollars a month ~8700 dollars a month to break even at maximum capacity (not counting your initial investment) you need about 3 dollars per hour per computer. assuming 50% capacity (conservative) you would need to charge 7 dollars an hour to recover your initial investment within a year. which is too expensive. not to mention these assumptions are what i feel is the best case scenario. you could probably afford to run 80 hours per week, but i dont feel like redoing the numbers. it brings it to about 9 dollars an hour. next time you can do these numbers before you ask other people why your business plan will fail | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On September 28 2010 18:42 PlaGuE_R wrote: true, but still, theres gotta be a way, i mean there are like huuuge yearly lans (mostly focused on CS) that give money to winners in Paris. Well hey; If you have air conditioning; I can see a lot of gamers going there lol Isn't is scorching during the summer time. Maybe gamers who don't have A/C at home would actually be willing to pay to play in a cooling environment. =] | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 29 2010 01:37 gods_basement wrote: good business ideas are a dime a dozen. However, i fear that this will not be a good one. run some numbers, you're old enough to find whether its fiscally viable or not. (calculations in dollars) so you have initial investments 20 computers at 500-1000 a piece $15,000 20 chairs (nice ones or people wont come) $2000 Remodeling of a businessfront (? in usa it would cost 3000 minimum? not exactly sure) marketing to get your name out there? i dont think you have cash for it. 20,000 initial investment and monthly costs (running 40 hours a week) Rent 5,000 per month (pretty conservative, considering industrial area) utilities 100-500 replacement parts; use depreciation. chairs and computers have a life of 5 years max. about 300 dollars per month staff (2 at a time so one can go to the bathroom. Do they get a computer to play on?) minimum wage of 10 dollars an hour (probably more expensive in france) 3200 dollars a month ~8700 dollars a month to break even at maximum capacity (not counting your initial investment) you need about 3 dollars per hour per computer. assuming 50% capacity (conservative) you would need to charge 7 dollars an hour to recover your initial investment within a year. which is too expensive. not to mention these assumptions are what i feel is the best case scenario. you could probably afford to run 80 hours per week, but i dont feel like redoing the numbers. it brings it to about 9 dollars an hour. next time you can do these numbers before you ask other people why your business plan will fail first, i wouldn't invest my own money into this cuz thats dumb, I'd get a sponsor. Second, I didnt make or have a business plan, i didnt plan on making a business, im not planning on making a business, I'm just saying an idea, that's it. I'm guessing you read the OP and went 'oh, i gotta make this guy sound like a retard cuz i went to business school' | ||
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gods_basement
United States305 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:42 PlaGuE_R wrote: first, i wouldn't invest my own money into this cuz thats dumb, I'd get a sponsor. Second, I didnt make or have a business plan, i didnt plan on making a business, im not planning on making a business, I'm just saying an idea, that's it. I'm guessing you read the OP and went 'oh, i gotta make this guy sound like a retard cuz i went to business school' thats exactly what i thought. i was actually just putting numbers on something. it doesnt take alot of education to figure out how to tally up something like that. I was making a point about what constitutes a "good business idea," and how you could figure it out for yourself instead of having others illustrate why you're wrong. also i'm doing alot of finance, so its just a kneejerk reaction to explain to you what was up I'm 19, of course I'm not gonna half assedly open a business. But I'm allowed to discuss the possibilities of this idea with people no? sure are. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 29 2010 06:05 gods_basement wrote: thats exactly what i thought. i was actually just putting numbers on something. it doesnt take alot of education to figure out how to tally up something like that. I was making a point about what constitutes a "good business idea," and how you could figure it out for yourself instead of having others illustrate why you're wrong. also i'm doing alot of finance, so its just a kneejerk reaction to explain to you what was up I'm not asking people to illustrate anything, this is a DISCUSSION board, hence i wanted to DISCUSS. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
(ie the reason people are saying this won't work, is because this isn't what your customer base wants / there is no demand for this service, etc) | ||
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HudsonK
China172 Posts
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