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Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 11:15:05
September 23 2010 11:14 GMT
#1
..until Blizzard fixes their fucking matchmaking system. Seriously, how the hell is a random diamond and platinum/gold team supposed to be an arranged double diamond team. Not only are all my partners not diamond, but they fucking suck, don't talk at all, and/or don't listen to me. And that's not even the best part! Every match I'm always favored and my partners never cease to let me down. Furthermore, the matches that do say the enemy is favored are broke as fuck because after I win on the score screen it says I was favored and I gain 5 points. It's so stupid how I have to win 4-5 matches just to make up for 1 loss.

In the past two days I've went from 1350 points (top 10 according to SC2Ranks.com) to 1075 points. Yes, there's some matches that were probably my fault, but seriously.. who the hell let so many newbs into diamond? I get partners that go 2 assimilators before cybernetics core, go 2 barracks and try and pump the whole match from them only, or go mutalisks against double terrans.

****
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
September 23 2010 11:21 GMT
#2
Point inflation man. There are plenty of reasons not to play SC2 now, however.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
September 23 2010 11:24 GMT
#3
Wait so, you're playing RANDOM teams, and you're complaining about your partners sucking?

I'll agree that matching arranged and random teams together is shit, but whoever goes into random team games thinking that strong organization, teamwork, and quality players are all going to coexist is foolish.

If it bothers you this badly, just don't play random teams? D=
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
September 23 2010 11:28 GMT
#4
just play 1vs1?
Smurg
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3818 Posts
September 23 2010 11:29 GMT
#5
Some of the people could be first-timers doing their placement matches?
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
September 23 2010 11:31 GMT
#6
Yeah I'd just stick to the 1v1, I avoid MM unless it's with a friend, even then I don't get the same experience as a nice long 1v1! Cheese Ahoy

Chillout and play some SP, I get frustrated sometimes but it's really unavoidable in the course of everyone's play.
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
September 23 2010 11:39 GMT
#7
Some super highskilled (TOP 10 ACCORDING TO SC2RANKS.COM) randomteamer complains about his teammates... never seem that before.

-.-
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27171 Posts
September 23 2010 11:40 GMT
#8
I think you need to game with a friend. The best time I had with SC2 was in beta with Plexa.
ModeratorGodfather
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
September 23 2010 11:44 GMT
#9
We are sure are seeing a lot of these type of threads recently.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
September 23 2010 11:48 GMT
#10
Mmh, this really sounds like a bug. Did only occur recently after the new patch or server patch (mainly taking place on wednesdays)?
I can understand how this sucks for you, but I guess I would really look for good partners.
Maybe u simply try to message the 10-20 other top 10 guys?
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
Horrde
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada302 Posts
September 23 2010 11:53 GMT
#11
Okay so leave then? And quietly comeback in less than 7 days. Your not quitting, your just going to find something else to waste time on sc2 with.
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 12:02:04
September 23 2010 12:00 GMT
#12
Must be the tank nerf, who knows - I'm finding 4 gates at least easier to play against
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 23 2010 12:07 GMT
#13
On September 23 2010 20:40 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you need to game with a friend. The best time I had with SC2 was in beta with Plexa.


Well said. If you really want to 2v2 then grab a friend, or partner with someone you had good chemistry with while playing. I was in the same boat when I did random 2v2s in my placement matches during beta.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 12:17:17
September 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#14
ya, if you only play sc2 for "random" 2v2 teams, then it isn't very surprising that you want to quit

you can't take RT seriously and not expect to get frustrated beyond belief
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5952 Posts
September 23 2010 12:16 GMT
#15
On September 23 2010 20:14 Spartan wrote:
don't talk at all, and/or don't listen to me.


I have the same problem. Blizzard keeps matching me with people who don't even speak English.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 12:21:00
September 23 2010 12:19 GMT
#16
Before they "fixed" matchmaking the wait was much much longer but teammates were at least around the same skill level. Generally speaking the better team won their games and most of the time if the other team was an AT they were favored. To lower wait times they simply made it so every game is a gamble on who gets the retard on their team or if you're fighting an arranged team. To make it worse, somehow your point gain and loss is heavily biased by your own rating ignoring who you've got on your team so you have to maintain a >75% win rate to stay even.

Ya I'm staying away from 4v4 random now.

Edit: I was #1 4v4 random for almost a month before the change. Now to have any chance at top 10 you have to be going in with 3 people and hope your 4th isn't a dumbass.
CheAse
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 12:22:37
September 23 2010 12:21 GMT
#17
RT right now is pretty bad, it's basicly the same as ranked ffa.

I play 3v3 with 2 friends for fun(pretty top diamond for 3v3 lol), and when we que we sometimes get gold players mixed with 1 RT diamond.

edit: i'd like to note that before the change in that patch to matchmaking, we would have 45 minute ques and not play anyone.... so i don't know what is worse.
SCV good to go sir
Hollwoodxix
Profile Joined June 2010
United States25 Posts
September 23 2010 12:23 GMT
#18
play with friends or join a clan, the social aspect is what always makes the game for me. I have not ever random 2v2ed and when i 2v2 its usually with a good internet bud and we are joking and having fun the entire time, but of course if your not having fun with a game do not play it. Starcraft is not your job and the day you stop having fun is the day you really shouldn't be playing it.


good luck to yah man
muse5187
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
1125 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 12:38:31
September 23 2010 12:35 GMT
#19
see the find a practice partner thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139384
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
September 23 2010 13:00 GMT
#20
I've barely played any Starcraft 2. Not only am I too busy with college stuff....

But it got boring after a while. >.> Especially since my computer sucks ass and I lag every time I play. :D
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
September 23 2010 13:14 GMT
#21
On September 23 2010 20:40 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you need to game with a friend. The best time I had with SC2 was in beta with Plexa.

Yeah, team games aren't meant to be taken seriously without a partner. Or maybe they are, but I run into the same situation as you, so I just try to stick to 3v3 or shit that won't piss me off when I lose.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 23 2010 13:26 GMT
#22
On September 23 2010 20:40 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you need to game with a friend. The best time I had with SC2 was in beta with Plexa.

And the best time I had in SC2 was with you mani <3
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 23 2010 13:45 GMT
#23
On September 23 2010 20:40 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you need to game with a friend. The best time I had with SC2 was in beta with Plexa.


awww how cute.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
September 23 2010 14:02 GMT
#24
Nothing better than 4v4ing with friends at a lan, doing only cheese and being extremely BM and loud to the opponents and your selves...
RawrAnOcean
Profile Joined February 2006
United States359 Posts
September 23 2010 14:02 GMT
#25
I can't even imagine playing without a partner. My friends are bad enough as is and we use vent, now a random player without vent would be tough. It probably won't be as bad in 3v3 or 4v4 if you want to try that. Then request one of your allies to be your 2v2 partner if they don't suck too much.
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
September 23 2010 14:06 GMT
#26
Blizzard will never be able to make a perfect matchmaking system for Team games, just accept that you can't handle 1v1 and need someone to blame for your losses.

Just kidding! RTing is no way to play RTS games unless you want to break your computer, get/make friends to play with for team games with or stick to 1v1. Hell I still play with my BGH buddies from 10 years ago now in SC2. They are the reason why I actually play the game so much.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
September 23 2010 14:09 GMT
#27
On September 23 2010 20:24 Mikilatov wrote:
Wait so, you're playing RANDOM teams, and you're complaining about your partners sucking?

I'll agree that matching arranged and random teams together is shit, but whoever goes into random team games thinking that strong organization, teamwork, and quality players are all going to coexist is foolish.

If it bothers you this badly, just don't play random teams? D=


The point (obviously) is that you will be matched against another random team with the same handicap, and after many games your ability to overcome this will separate you from other random team players, that's part of the fun. Except in SC2 there is no fun in Random Team, it's you and 3 people that range from bronze league to top diamond vs an arranged team that usually has a 90% winrate and is going to kill you off in a manner where your skill means nothing, and telling your allies what to do or what your opponent is doing is not enough.
DrInfested
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3 Posts
September 23 2010 14:25 GMT
#28
On September 23 2010 20:40 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you need to game with a friend. The best time I had with SC2 was in beta with Plexa.


I second that. Gaming with my brother is the BEST way to play 2v2.
Zerg 4 Life :3
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
September 23 2010 14:48 GMT
#29
I don't understand why people would even want to queue for 2v2 without a partner...
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
September 23 2010 14:54 GMT
#30
Protip: Don't play with random allies?

I always play with friends in team games.
The only minor exception to this would maybe be my 4v4 Randoms, Which I usually end up partying with a friend, so I'm in with him and 2 pubby allies... Makes it much more bearable.
(5)Twilight Star.scx --------- AdmiralHoth: There was one week when I didn't shave for a month.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
September 23 2010 15:00 GMT
#31
On September 23 2010 23:54 TwilightStar wrote:
Protip: Don't play with random allies?

I always play with friends in team games.
The only minor exception to this would maybe be my 4v4 Randoms, Which I usually end up partying with a friend, so I'm in with him and 2 pubby allies... Makes it much more bearable.


Rewind a month ago and if you went into 4v4 random your allies would generally be around your level and its nice because you get to meet people to play with that are decent. I made a few friends playing 4v4 random because we'd see each other every game because there's only a few people in our skill range. With the matchmaking "fix" its turned to utter shit but hey, you get to play a shitty game much faster now.
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 15:09:29
September 23 2010 15:07 GMT
#32
On September 23 2010 23:54 TwilightStar wrote:
Protip: Don't play with random allies?

I always play with friends in team games.
The only minor exception to this would maybe be my 4v4 Randoms, Which I usually end up partying with a friend, so I'm in with him and 2 pubby allies... Makes it much more bearable.


I've assembled a pro tip guide using your logic for SC2

No Chat Channels
Pro Tip: Use IRC

No LAN
Pro Tip: Get reliable internet or don't go to LAN parties

Terran possibly Overpowered?
Pro Tip: Pick Terran

My custom game can't be seen or played, it's not on popular list
Pro Tip: Don't make maps

Bnet is Down?
Pro Tip: Don't play Starcraft 2

I want to play fairly matched Random Team games when friends aren't on or I don't feel like playing with my friends:
Pro Tip: Don't play Random Team games
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 23 2010 15:09 GMT
#33
Take it, Justin!

ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
September 23 2010 15:30 GMT
#34
Don't play 2v2 unless you have a partner.

I exclusively play 1v1 unless my Korean Terran friend is online.
"Sentry imba! You see? YOU SEE??!!" - Sen | "Marauder die die!" - oGsMC | "Oh my god, she texted me back!" - Day[9]
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
September 23 2010 15:34 GMT
#35
On September 24 2010 00:30 Uranium wrote:
Don't play 2v2 unless you have a partner.

I exclusively play 1v1 unless my Korean Terran friend is online.

lol you have 1 friend?

Anyway random usually sucks. If my friend and I play 3v3 with a random, the 3rd guy always sucks badly. 2v2 with randoms is usually terrible since they're half the team. But other than that, points are pretty meaningless. You're just being sucked into Blizz's mind-controlling methods.
Marines > everything
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
September 23 2010 15:41 GMT
#36
You need to stop raging so hard when you lose with random people Kris. Either play with people you know or play 1v1s... It's not that complicated. Random 2's seem pointless and boring.

So that game you lost vs me was with a random partner huh?
http://www.starcraftdream.com
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 15:51:56
September 23 2010 15:50 GMT
#37
I totally agree with you man haha.

I think that it is 10x harder to get in diamond 4v4 with a random team than to get in diamond in 1v1.

Most of my games i'm like 1v3 or 2v4. Quite good to practise your macro and your trashtalk :p
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
September 23 2010 16:13 GMT
#38
This is absolutely intentional. When the system finds two average Diamond opponents, it wants to find a bad player for you to balance out the teams because your MMR is likely very high (or was). If you don't want to be intentionally handicapped now and then, find some decent 2v2 partners.
TheMunkey
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada470 Posts
September 23 2010 17:22 GMT
#39
If you truly care about your 2v2 ladder then just find a partner? Many resources for you to use to find one easily or you can just not care and play.
Never give up
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
September 23 2010 17:32 GMT
#40
Only play 1v1 unless you have a partner who is online?
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 23 2010 17:33 GMT
#41
Playing 1v1 is harder on the ego, especially if you play Terran... As T if you lose a game you can't blame anybody but yourself.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 23 2010 17:48 GMT
#42
On September 24 2010 02:33 Djzapz wrote:
Playing 1v1 is harder on the ego, especially if you play Terran... As T if you lose a game you can't blame anybody but yourself.

Posts like this are ban-able. Take it easy.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
September 23 2010 18:00 GMT
#43
Please leave forum moderation to the moderators.
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
September 23 2010 18:02 GMT
#44
Dude that's the fun part of playing random, seeing if you can win despite a horribad partner.
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 23 2010 18:13 GMT
#45
On September 24 2010 02:48 Murderotica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:33 Djzapz wrote:
Playing 1v1 is harder on the ego, especially if you play Terran... As T if you lose a game you can't blame anybody but yourself.

Posts like this are ban-able. Take it easy.

You can never ban teh funs! =(
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
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