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...and I loved it!
When WarCraft III was released, I was way too busy playing StarCraft(and two more reasons: I didn't have good enough computer for WC3, and I really didn't like the sound of having heroes), but I started a playing the singleplayer campaign a week or something ago. I think the campaign is much better than the SC2 campaign. My favorite race is night elves by far, they just got really cool units and I just love the fact that you can uproot your buildings and stuff like that.
I still haven't played WC3 online, and probably never will. While I can tolerate heroes in singleplayer campaign, I'm still really sceptical for playing with heroes online.
I've just done the first mission on Frozen Throne now. How long are the campaigns compared to ROC, and how much harder are they?
  
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They are somewhat harder but fun. WC3 campaign is the best ive ever played.
After you finish TFT you can go read how Blizzard made a complete mess of the storyline with WoW and ruined warcraft universe in general by pleasing random peoples requests.
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-_- I QQed after hearing Blizzard fucked up their own story
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On September 17 2010 06:02 PaD wrote:
After you finish TFT you can go read how Blizzard made a complete mess of the storyline with WoW and ruined warcraft universe in general by pleasing random peoples requests.
I heard WC4 (whenever that happens) will continue from WC3. Basically whatever is in WoW means nothing storywise.
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The frozen throne campaign is a little shorter but its still pretty cool. It pretty much picks up right were the ROC left off. The different races are just trying to pick up the pieces after the burning legions fall, and you see the scourge become the "big" evil in Azeroth. Illidan is a LOT cooler looking now and you get to use some cool new units. Also the flow of the game and some of the annoying things of ROC were fixed in TFT. My only complaint about TFT is that you didn't get to see very much of the Orcs in the campaigns. There are only 3, The Night Elves, Alliance (the blood elves) and the UD.
Also, the UD (the last one) campaign for TFT is awesome.
All in all I love WC lore, i think its really well done and pretty interesting and better than SC's (not to say SC's is bad though). That being said, I think Diablo lore is the best. Something about the archetypal battle between Good and Evil that gets me.
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"I heard WC4 (whenever that happens) will continue from WC3. Basically whatever is in WoW means nothing storywise."
No, that won't happen. To much has happened in WoW (arthas is killed, Illidan is killed Etc) They can't just skip over it. That being said, I personally don't think they screwed up the lore. WoW is a VERY lore driven game.
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I absolutely loved the Warcraft 3 campaign. It makes you emotionally involved with the characters, so you feel the joy and sadness when events happen. I felt particularly sad when Maiev's warden were left behind in the sunken city while she ran away.
WoW took everything away. The characters in the game are very easy to hate and don't feel as important. Saurfang and Hogger feel more important than Jaina and Varian. That's how you can tell the story has taken the plunge.
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I really liked the WC3 campaign. I felt like the TFT campaign wasn't as epic, but still good and worth playing. And yes I completely agree WoW, especially burning crusade, really messed up cannon for warcraft. After seeing the story for SC2, at least the first third, I kinda think metzen cant write like he used to.
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Definitely. Ignoring literary arguments, Wc3 had probably one of the most well designed video game narratives ever, just a par below legends like Half Life imo. Yes, the story is contrived, the writing was kind of bad, but presentation and pacing? 10/10.
SC2 gets 1/10 :/.
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When I get internet, in 7 days, I will start playing SCBW and SCII again. Do you think I will able to play through Frozen Throne before that if I play 1-2 hours every day?
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The W3 campaign was sooo good. It was much better than sc2 IMO.
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WC3 had the best campaign of any RTS ever in my opinion.
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I played WC3 campaign on normal on train rides with no mouse, only the touchpad.
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Am I the only person who liked Arthas from WC3? He was trying to keep his people safe and put the zombies out of their misery, but the others were like "no we can't kill the zombies waa waa waa." It was pretty sad to see him turn evil when he had to do something terrible and right, and got no support from his friends.
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Yeah wc3 campaign is amazing.
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The Warcraft lore is astoundingly great imo, one of the best worlds (well, to me) I've seen in a video game. It made playing through WoW a lot more interesting :D
On September 17 2010 06:32 Slow Motion wrote:
Am I the only person who liked Arthas from WC3? He was trying to keep his people safe and put the zombies out of their misery, but the others were like "no we can't kill the zombies waa waa waa." It was pretty sad to see him turn evil when he had to do something terrible and right, and got no support from his friends.
Yeah, I really liked Arthas too, his story line was so tragic,+ Show Spoiler +seeing him turn from a paladin in training/heir to the throne, into a monster through his own actions. All he wanted was for the good of the kingdom :[
If I ever have to write a paper on a modern tragic hero, I'd write about Arthas tbh lol
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After Warcraft 3, they pretty much butchered their own story with World of Warcraft, it seems the writers still haven't come to their senses after SC2.
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
I LOVED the wc3 campaign. Last mission was so fucking hard. I tried it so many times, and again and again I lost (this was before I knew how to play BW), so I just gave up and used cheats haha.
The one thing I don't get is why they changed names for units and made them worse in the expansion?
Ballista->Glaive Thrower
Catapult(I really can't remember)->Rock tosser(I know it became something stupid)
And a few more I can't remember. I still haven't beaten TFT's campaign. I really need to get on that one day.
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The TFT undead campaign is a step up in difficulty from every other one in RoC/TFT. TFT is a bit shorter than RoC, mainly cause there's no real orc campaign and the human one is short.
The final mission of the undead campaign is just insane (or it was back in the day, maybe I just sucked so much back then), on hard difficulty it just beats you down and demoralizes you. Most people need to load saves constantly to beat it on hard.
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Wc3 and TFT campaigns are definitively the best ive played.
There are also some custom made campaigns that are really, really good, like wanderers of sorceria, natures call : return of the dragon, and all the lore campaigns from outsiderXE. i recommend checking those out, hours and hours of fun!
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I played wc3 online for three years but never bothered with the campaign. I only did the human campaign in ROC (or TFT) and because it took so long I just got bored and did not play further single player...
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Arthas was a bad ass mofo. Yeah, he was pretty contrived, but the way they presented him was epic.
Arthas: Yes, I've damned everyone and everything I've ever loved in his name,
and I still feel no remorse. No shame. No pity.
Tichondrius: The runeblade that you carry was forged by the Lich King and
empowered to steal souls. Yours was the first one it claimed.
Arthas: Then I'll make do without one. What is the Lich King's will?
Uther the Lightbringer: The urn holds your father's ashes, Arthas! What, were
you hoping to piss on them one last time before you left his kingdom to rot?
Arthas: I didn't know what it held. Nor does it matter. I'll take what I came
for one way or another.
Uther the Lightbringer: I dearly hope that there's a special place in hell
waiting for you, Arthas.
Arthas: We may never know, Uther. I intend to live forever.
Arthas: Citizens of Silvermoon! I have given you ample opportunities to
surrender, but you have stubbornly refused! Know that today, your entire race
and your ancient heritage will end! Death itself has come to claim the high
tome of the elves! Now, arise, Kel'Thuzad, and serve the Lich King once again!
Seriously blizzard can't write villains anymore after WoW. Maybe there habit of making every character a walking lootsack caught onto them. Man, now I wanna play Wc3 again.
srsly every time I read those quotes I have Arthas's excellent VA monologueing in my head lol.
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WC3 was a really, really good campaign.
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I think the RPG elements in WC3 sort of help the storytelling for the campaign - the format kind of lends itself to an epic fantasy story with powerful heroes that can really make a tangible impact. Unlike SC2 where raynor can die in mission 1 kinda easily.
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On September 17 2010 07:11 JIJIyO wrote:
I LOVED the wc3 campaign. Last mission was so fucking hard. I tried it so many times, and again and again I lost (this was before I knew how to play BW), so I just gave up and used cheats haha.
The one thing I don't get is why they changed names for units and made them worse in the expansion?
Ballista->Glaive Thrower
Catapult(I really can't remember)->Rock tosser(I know it became something stupid)
And a few more I can't remember. I still haven't beaten TFT's campaign. I really need to get on that one day.
Catapult is now a Demolisher
Gyrocopter's are now flying machines...
and Wyverns are now Wind Riders
Why that is i have no idea...
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I am a WC2 hardcore fan. WC3 campaign was a complete messup in terms of storyline imo.
Having the orcs being good is the first huge mistake. Orks were bad, and that was really cool.
Second thing stupid is to have mess up the whole Azeroth / Loarderon kingdoms things. Azeroth was the weaker kingdom and Loarderon was another kingodm helping them against the invader. They had really different "personalities". King Terenas and King Lothar. That was damn awesome.
Heros were also much cooler in WC2. Damn, Aleria, Kurdan, that was really something. After that, when you listen the cheesy Night Elves heros in WC3 and their crap love stories, you want to do sepuku. Arthas / Uther thing is also plain sad, when you remember how cool Uther was in WC2.
That's paraoxical that more they have tried top develop the depth of the characters/storyline, and more shallow it has been. Same than between Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. Minsc doesn't say a word in BG1, and still, he is so much cooler than in BG2 when they madde a full character with a lot of banters and a "rich" personality...
W2 was nice and simple. No bullcrap. Sober and imaginative. WC3 is like the next holywood movie except that it's a video game. Well, if I want to see abad movie, better going to cinema.
Warcraft franchise was amazing till W2. W3 is already a fuck up.
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On September 17 2010 08:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I am a WC2 hardcore fan. WC3 campaign was a complete messup in terms of storyline imo.
Having the orcs being good is the first huge mistake. Orks were bad, and that was really cool.
Second thing stupid is to have mess up the whole Azeroth / Loarderon kingdoms things. Azeroth was the weaker kingdom and Loarderon was another kingodm helping them against the invader. They had really different "personalities". King Terenas and King Lothar. That was damn awesome.
Heros were also much cooler in WC2. Damn, Aleria, Kurdan, that was really something. After that, when you listen the cheesy Night Elves heros in WC3 and their crap love stories, you want to do sepuku. Arthas / Uther thing is also plain sad, when you remember how cool Uther was in WC2.
That's paraoxical that more they have tried top develop the depth of the characters/storyline, and more shallow it has been. Same than between Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. Minsc doesn't say a word in BG1, and still, he is so much cooler than in BG2 when they madde a full character with a lot of banters and a "rich" personality...
W2 was nice and simple. No bullcrap. Sober and imaginative. WC3 is like the next holywood movie except that it's a video game. Well, if I want to see abad movie, better going to cinema.
Warcraft franchise was amazing till W2. W3 is already a fuck up.
I can veritably taste the irony. It is bitter, but with a pleasant tinge of lime.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
I have to play through WC3 again, because I reeeeeeeeeeeally don't remember it being half as interesting as you guys say it was. Obvious bias here, but I believe SC (not brood war of course) had the best RTS storyline. SC2's was pathetic obviously, but I honestly can't say I believe WC3's was even close to SC's. 
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WC3 campaign was a really entertaining playthrough (and especially difficult on hard difficulty... holy shit you can't afford to lose a single unit). Every campaign mission felt like it had a purpose in the greater story and it progressed really well. It's hard to say which campaign branch from either RoC or TFT was the best, maybe the human campaign from RoC where you get to watch Arthas lose it.
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On September 17 2010 08:10 EvilTeletubby wrote:I have to play through WC3 again, because I reeeeeeeeeeeally don't remember it being half as interesting as you guys say it was. Obvious bias here, but I believe SC (not brood war of course) had the best RTS storyline. SC2's was pathetic obviously, but I honestly can't say I believe WC3's was even close to SC's.
you really do need to play through it again lol, the storylines aren't even comparable in quality, wc3 is just that much better.
fun times soloing the last mission with arthas in roc
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Vanilla SC had a boring campaign, but Brood War was up there with WC3 and expansions. All bliz campaigns feel anime-ish to me though.
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wow, I had no idea there were so many warcraft fans out there. Every time I hear warcraft mentioned in these forums, it seems like someone is bashing it. I'm pleasantly surprised.
Personally I've loved all 3 of blizzard's universes. Each one brought something new and refreshing to the table. I don't like comparing them with each other because they all stand so well by themselves.
WoW and SC2 have marked the beginning of the end for me. I'm baffled at how far things have fallen in terms of great storytelling. Time to replay the old campaigns and reminisce..haha
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On September 17 2010 06:06 eazo wrote:
I personally don't think they screwed up the lore. WoW is a VERY lore driven game.
it is approximately as lore driven as porn and cell phone ringtones.
im coming from a wc2 background, and cant imagine that any player who played and enjoyed that game would see the changes brought about its by successors in the franchise in a mainly positive light.
there are so many contradictions in the new lore in relation to how the story first started out, so many things that have been retconned, blown out of proportion or relativized, pulled out of nowhere and dumbed down that the irony of the above quoted statement is mind-blowing.
blizzards philosophy is to use lore to sell content, instead of using content to sell lore. the playerbase's philosophy is 'who cares about lore as long as the things that i can do are fun'.
:/
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On September 17 2010 05:56 aPsychonaut wrote:
...and I loved it!
When WarCraft III was released, I was way too busy playing StarCraft(and two more reasons: I didn't have good enough computer for WC3, and I really didn't like the sound of having heroes), but I started a playing the singleplayer campaign a week or something ago. I think the campaign is much better than the SC2 campaign. My favorite race is night elves by far, they just got really cool units and I just love the fact that you can uproot your buildings and stuff like that.
I still haven't played WC3 online, and probably never will. While I can tolerate heroes in singleplayer campaign, I'm still really sceptical for playing with heroes online.
I've just done the first mission on Frozen Throne now. How long are the campaigns compared to ROC, and how much harder are they?
If you try playing the TFT campaign on "Hard". You will discover that even the second mission will be a nightmare.
I highly discourage you from doing it on Hard until you have beat it on Normal first. In general, the TFT campaigns are about 50% harder than the original ones at the same difficulty. You will find the Night Elf and Undead campaign very challenging on certain levels, while the Human campaign should be comparably easier...
By "comparably", I meant "still very hard". I remember the (second last?) Human mission was a complete nightmare which you have to destroy several Orc fractions while a Level 10 Blademaster would constantly attack you with a huge army and often with a bunch of Level 10 Dragons... making matters worse, you have almost no effective counters against them except trying to overpower them with a lot of towers, archers, and anything else that hits air. Unfortunately Dragons do splash chaos damage and owns really hard (not to mention they are immune to magic).
Guardianship (please note that I used to be highly ranked for solo and FFA and I consider myself to be at least half-decent; also I am just writing this on top of my head so it might be inaccurate in certain places.):
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NE mission 2: In normal difficulty, this mission is very easy. On Hard it's a completely different story. Because the Naga can walk on water while you can't, you already have a huge barrier in front of you. Making matters worse, you will be starving for resources unless you quickly destroy one of the island base and take it over. The rest is pretty much about massing a lot of towers, and try to land (which is a pain). I had to play this mission a couple of times to get the best timing.
NE second last: Unfortunately you have a time-limit of 45 minutes. In my opinion, just using the goldmine you originally control is not good enough on Hard. You have to kill the UD base on the lower right corner very quickly and get a second mine before macroing up a lot of Chimeras. You will need at least 3 Chimera Roosts because you will be constantly losing troops. But with two gold mines it should be OK if you move quickly and carefully. Don't bother trying to harass the Summoners; you will get owned.
NE last mission: complete nightmare. You will be attacked on almost all fronts. I suggest you first clear the top and bottom from Furion's position then work on Illidan. It will be very back and forth.
HU mission: the key is to collect as many items as you can, preferably the brilliance aura item. It will help you greatly. The only hard one, in my opinion, is the last mission. Although the dota-style mission was also somewhat frustrating.
UD mission: the hardest one that comes to mind are the second mission "King's Exit" (get ready to save a lot), all of the Dark Ranger missions, and the last mission (1v3. Not very fun).
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konadora
Singapore66170 Posts
WC3 campaigns were so fun and challenging, especially because of the hero units :>
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The Frozen Throne campaign is harder, but the story is a lot worse. The missions themselves are probably more fun though- but the first and the last missions on the hardest difficulty take waaay too much time.
Actually, most of the TFT was a pain in the arse now that I think about it. Ack.
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The stupid-ass TFT Orc campaign was so DAMN LONG.
BUT I LOVED IT!!! <3
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The Frozen Throne takes about 35 hours if you're playing on hard and are decent at RTS. It was kind of fun. TFT is slightly harder than ROC.
You also get an orc campaign if you look for it. It's about how the neutral beastmaster hero Rexxar sets up the city of Oggrimmar. It's a really easy campaign and the heros are just beasts that you can suicide in and revive for a profit near the end of the game.
What was stupid though was my strategy, I built a lot of towers on almost every level of TFT. I'd recommend it if you don't have a hard courseload.
Storywise, I didn't think any of the games by Blizzard were super duper amazing. I mean the fanbases of starcraft are centered around gameplay, not lore.
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Glad spoilers, older technology etc didnt stop you from enjoying it. Finding gems from the past we missed is such a great feeling. Not that it's super outdated or anything.
+ Show Spoiler +Spoilers: A band of nerds slaughter every notable character... repeatedly. There are spaceships, motorcycles and Mr.T is somehow involved. Lore.
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Cinematics made WC3 awesome, SC2 was kinda a step backwards. I still watch the TFT ending cinematic sometimes when i'm bored.
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Can't wait to play more TFT. Just hope I finish it before I start playing SC2 again, because then I will never finish TFT...
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I'm currently at the fourth mission in the Alliance campaign, and so far it's been much easier and shorter missions than in the original game. I do play it on normal difficulty though, but I still expected it to be harder.
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I'm sorry, but isn't the WoC campaign exactly
"Oh shit, we are losing a lot"
"oh fuck we there is this cursed item - its super strong but will corrupt us"
"fuck it lets use it ANYWAYS"
"oh noes we are evil now"
next chapter.
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Warcraft 3 story is indeed great. It is also sad and pathetic how Blizzard spits and rapes the story in WoW where they make Illidan and Arthas bosses you can farm for loot...
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WC3 and TFT campaigns are top notch. It is because the Warcraft lore is great, really, much better than SC and almost every game lore out there.
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On September 19 2010 19:07 kasumimi wrote:
Warcraft 3 story is indeed great. It is also sad and pathetic how Blizzard spits and rapes the story in WoW where they make Illidan and Arthas bosses you can farm for loot...
Yeah, they are both have god-like status, there is no way mortals can take them down. I hope whenever WC4 comes out. Blizzard would just un-do all the things that they did to the Warcraft lore in WoW.
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In the story department, there's really no contest between SC and WC3; the latter is just so much more developed, and its characters are much more memorable. I'm not even going to compare SC2, to try and do so would be to raise that campaign to a level which it does not deserve.
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To much has happened in WoW (arthas is killed, Illidan is killed Etc)
Wut ? i saw em 2 weeks ago and probably next week im going to see them again they look healthy more than ever : )
BTW: WC3 got the best story ever told in history of gaming in my opinion. that atmosphere 1st time going though dark portal is awesome even in WoW. I dont think so that WoW fucked up story so much, but yea warcraft is different right now not bad actually : )
and yea i never played online too :D
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On September 17 2010 06:06 xMiragex wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 06:02 PaD wrote:
After you finish TFT you can go read how Blizzard made a complete mess of the storyline with WoW and ruined warcraft universe in general by pleasing random peoples requests. I heard WC4 (whenever that happens) will continue from WC3. Basically whatever is in WoW means nothing storywise.
I hope that's true, though I pretend WoW has nothing to do with WC3 story anyways so it doesn't change much. TFT is very fun, I don't remember it being harder, just different.
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Wow, I just can't seem to beat Magtheridon or whatever his name is. It's been really easy till now, but now it's just very hard 
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