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Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
September 10 2010 16:56 GMT
#1
How bad i was at BW

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So i was pretty bad at BW, didn't play a whole lot. Never got past D rank, best MU was PvP okay enough to take games from C- players here and there and didn't really die until mid mid-late game against C players . My PvT and PvZ were pretty atrocious. I never really cared to strictly memorized BOs, just openings, personally i did just fine that way aside from the fact that i played at like 90 apm at most, where i just lost games because i couldn't keep up with what i tried to do.



With that out of the side, i was pretty disappointed with the placement matches i played a couple of days ago. I went 5-0, i was surprised at how easy it was though. 2 out of the 5 tried to cheese me, which wasn't too bad i suppose. A Protoss tried cannon rushing me in a terrible terrible spot (no pun intended) and the other was a T that tried to proxy rax me in a decent spot actually; i felt like Flash with his map hacks when i found it . 2 were okay but i just outmacro'd them, nothing special.

The 3rd game i was a little scared, got surprised with a MM push and i had just gotten out 2 sentries so i had no FF. It was pretty weak though, i figured he had gambled on that i had expanded and he proceeded to expo as he was pushing. After i cleaned that up my 3rd void ray was out and there was no need to hide them anymore, i proceeded to 4zzzz 1a (sounds lame with SC2 hotkeys) and sniped his CC with my void rays.

Today i just finished playing 3 games (1 of which i d/c'd in ), 1 won and lost 1. They were nothing out of the ordinary and this blog is already long enough as it is so maybe ill mention them some other time.

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Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
September 10 2010 17:02 GMT
#2
Yep! like has been said many times, playing on iccup= freeride to diamond! it should change in time... :D people have gotten alot better since start, even in bronze.
LokitAK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan90 Posts
September 10 2010 17:07 GMT
#3
I would get used to cheese. You're going to be seeing a lot of it.
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
September 10 2010 19:14 GMT
#4
lol @ 4zzzz 1a

for zizi yo !
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
September 10 2010 19:32 GMT
#5
On September 11 2010 02:07 LokitAK wrote:
I would get used to cheese. You're going to be seeing a lot of it.


Cheese isn't so annoying, free wins yes?
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
September 10 2010 19:32 GMT
#6
yeh logging on to ICCUP = diamond, so you should be like medium-high diamond and have better game sense than most people you play against in no time.
LokitAK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan90 Posts
September 10 2010 20:58 GMT
#7
On September 11 2010 04:32 xMiragex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 02:07 LokitAK wrote:
I would get used to cheese. You're going to be seeing a lot of it.


Cheese isn't so annoying, free wins yes?

I suppose it's what you're looking for. I, personally, am looking to actually play good games of Starcraft. I'd rather play a long 45 minute game and lose than beat a cheese in 5 minutes.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
September 10 2010 21:20 GMT
#8
On September 11 2010 05:58 LokitAK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 04:32 xMiragex wrote:
On September 11 2010 02:07 LokitAK wrote:
I would get used to cheese. You're going to be seeing a lot of it.


Cheese isn't so annoying, free wins yes?

I suppose it's what you're looking for. I, personally, am looking to actually play good games of Starcraft. I'd rather play a long 45 minute game and lose than beat a cheese in 5 minutes.


Higher level players cheese less dont they? if im getting free wins and get higher to where im so supposed to end at quicker, shouldn't i find people to play longer games against?
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
LokitAK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan90 Posts
September 10 2010 21:24 GMT
#9
On September 11 2010 06:20 xMiragex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 05:58 LokitAK wrote:
On September 11 2010 04:32 xMiragex wrote:
On September 11 2010 02:07 LokitAK wrote:
I would get used to cheese. You're going to be seeing a lot of it.


Cheese isn't so annoying, free wins yes?

I suppose it's what you're looking for. I, personally, am looking to actually play good games of Starcraft. I'd rather play a long 45 minute game and lose than beat a cheese in 5 minutes.


Higher level players cheese less dont they? if im getting free wins and get higher to where im so supposed to end at quicker, shouldn't i find people to play longer games against?

HAHAHA. You would think so, wouldn't you.
The sad fact is, the higher up you go, the better people are at cheese. No matter where you go, there will always be a hefty sum of people who got there by only knowing how to cheese. The difference is, in Silver, they can't cheese properly. In platinum and diamond, they really know how to do their All-In-Bullshit. (And nothing else)
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 21:26:46
September 10 2010 21:26 GMT
#10
On September 11 2010 06:24 LokitAK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 06:20 xMiragex wrote:
On September 11 2010 05:58 LokitAK wrote:
On September 11 2010 04:32 xMiragex wrote:
On September 11 2010 02:07 LokitAK wrote:
I would get used to cheese. You're going to be seeing a lot of it.


Cheese isn't so annoying, free wins yes?

I suppose it's what you're looking for. I, personally, am looking to actually play good games of Starcraft. I'd rather play a long 45 minute game and lose than beat a cheese in 5 minutes.


Higher level players cheese less dont they? if im getting free wins and get higher to where im so supposed to end at quicker, shouldn't i find people to play longer games against?

HAHAHA. You would think so, wouldn't you.
The sad fact is, the higher up you go, the better people are at cheese. No matter where you go, there will always be a hefty sum of people who got there by only knowing how to cheese. The difference is, in Silver, they can't cheese properly. In platinum and diamond, they really know how to do their All-In-Bullshit. (And nothing else)


Obviously higher players cheese better, i was just commenting on the frequency of it.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
LokitAK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan90 Posts
September 10 2010 21:31 GMT
#11
On September 11 2010 06:26 xMiragex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 06:24 LokitAK wrote:
On September 11 2010 06:20 xMiragex wrote:
On September 11 2010 05:58 LokitAK wrote:
On September 11 2010 04:32 xMiragex wrote:
On September 11 2010 02:07 LokitAK wrote:
I would get used to cheese. You're going to be seeing a lot of it.


Cheese isn't so annoying, free wins yes?

I suppose it's what you're looking for. I, personally, am looking to actually play good games of Starcraft. I'd rather play a long 45 minute game and lose than beat a cheese in 5 minutes.


Higher level players cheese less dont they? if im getting free wins and get higher to where im so supposed to end at quicker, shouldn't i find people to play longer games against?

HAHAHA. You would think so, wouldn't you.
The sad fact is, the higher up you go, the better people are at cheese. No matter where you go, there will always be a hefty sum of people who got there by only knowing how to cheese. The difference is, in Silver, they can't cheese properly. In platinum and diamond, they really know how to do their All-In-Bullshit. (And nothing else)


Obviously higher players cheese better, i was just commenting on the frequency of it.

I'm gonna have to say the percentage of cheese decrease is maybe ten to twenty percent. Not really enough to be significant.

Either that, or I'm just extremely unlucky.
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