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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 00:47:55
September 02 2010 00:47 GMT
#21
I didn't like playing vs random on bw, same goes for sc2. You better win or you would have to listen to this same kind of talk, the only difference would be me saying how he actually sucks beyond possible and should stick to 1 race and how I wasted my time because I did some unimaginable build and still won.
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 00:51:22
September 02 2010 00:50 GMT
#22
WAit...by his reason ZvT = TvZ, then PvT = TvP, so ZvP = PvZ....so with his logic its 6 matchups not 7 lol.

On September 02 2010 09:18 Chill wrote:
You posting this justifies his comments. People do this shit to get attention. Grow up and get some thicker skin.


He's not whining, he's sharing something that he found funny. Get a sense of humor? If you don't find this funny why are u posting at all?
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
September 02 2010 00:51 GMT
#23
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game.
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
September 02 2010 00:55 GMT
#24
On September 02 2010 09:51 blahman3344 wrote:
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game.


But he won..
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
September 02 2010 01:06 GMT
#25
learn basic match haha
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 01:13:36
September 02 2010 01:12 GMT
#26
On September 02 2010 09:55 News wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 09:51 blahman3344 wrote:
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game.


But he won..


He won, but he was playing against someone who was random. Random is much harder to master than one specific race because u need to know 3x the build orders, and know relative timings for all of the matchups too.
To say that "you have random advantage" would only work at a level where the random player knows all the build orders and relative timings really well, like a progamer would. The thing is that the OP isn't quite at that level yet ( no offense ^^; ), so "random advantage" isn't something that is applicable.
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
September 02 2010 01:14 GMT
#27
scouting at 10/10 pretty much solves any advantage a random player has.

so who cares if you have to trade a small bit of econ for massive knowledge?
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 01:19:12
September 02 2010 01:18 GMT
#28
On September 02 2010 10:12 blahman3344 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 09:55 News wrote:
On September 02 2010 09:51 blahman3344 wrote:
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game.


But he won..


He won, but he was playing against someone who was random. Random is much harder to master than one specific race because u need to know 3x the build orders, and know relative timings for all of the matchups too.
To say that "you have random advantage" would only work at a level where the random player knows all the build orders and relative timings really well, like a progamer would. The thing is that the OP isn't quite at that level yet ( no offense ^^; ), so "random advantage" isn't something that is applicable.


You only have random advantage when you get your best race, that is all. I never implied anything about advantage, I just like to talk shit myself to players who pick random just because I honestly think they are wasting time (unless they fuck around beign drunk or w/e lol, I do that myself sometimes).
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 01:22:31
September 02 2010 01:21 GMT
#29
that guy BM'd me hardcore in beta too. Everyone has their off days though, but this guy's off day is probably everyday.

btw tho, stop acting like you do not get an advantage from playing random. You do - the opponent doesn't know your race, and you know theirs. Which does mean there will be many times where you get a pure build order advantage and may get a win off someone that is 500% better than you.

If you want to play random and then claim you're better than someone after you get a win off of them, play it and tell your race at the start of the game if they ask you.

Otherwise, yes, you are gaining a free advantage, and no, it is not a disadvantage to learn more match-ups.

When your opponent has one more piece of information than you when the game starts, they are at the advantage aka random players.

so...he is bad mannered either way when he loses to random or not, but don't be BM yourself and try to claim you do not gain an advantage from going random.

Sup
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
September 02 2010 01:22 GMT
#30
On September 02 2010 10:18 News wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 10:12 blahman3344 wrote:
On September 02 2010 09:55 News wrote:
On September 02 2010 09:51 blahman3344 wrote:
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game.


But he won..


He won, but he was playing against someone who was random. Random is much harder to master than one specific race because u need to know 3x the build orders, and know relative timings for all of the matchups too.
To say that "you have random advantage" would only work at a level where the random player knows all the build orders and relative timings really well, like a progamer would. The thing is that the OP isn't quite at that level yet ( no offense ^^; ), so "random advantage" isn't something that is applicable.


You only have random advantage when you get your best race, that is all.


Not really, because your best race would be better if you didn't play random.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
September 02 2010 01:49 GMT
#31
What was the point of posting his id?
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 02:06:46
September 02 2010 02:05 GMT
#32
It's funny because even doing the math his way he's still wrong.. it'd be 6 matchups while counting his way.

To the post above me: He probably copy and pasted.
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
September 02 2010 03:00 GMT
#33
On September 02 2010 10:21 avilo wrote:
that guy BM'd me hardcore in beta too. Everyone has their off days though, but this guy's off day is probably everyday.

btw tho, stop acting like you do not get an advantage from playing random. You do - the opponent doesn't know your race, and you know theirs. Which does mean there will be many times where you get a pure build order advantage and may get a win off someone that is 500% better than you.

If you want to play random and then claim you're better than someone after you get a win off of them, play it and tell your race at the start of the game if they ask you.

Otherwise, yes, you are gaining a free advantage, and no, it is not a disadvantage to learn more match-ups.

When your opponent has one more piece of information than you when the game starts, they are at the advantage aka random players.

so...he is bad mannered either way when he loses to random or not, but don't be BM yourself and try to claim you do not gain an advantage from going random.


I don't think I've ever stated that there's no advantage in playing random, and I totally agree that it limits their early options.I simply think that learning that many matchups is a big offset else everybody would be playing random (which this guy didn't understand).

And I always tell my race when someone ask, so must people that care to know will be fine.
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 02 2010 13:50 GMT
#34
man avilo sure doesnt venture far in the way of logic especially for the caliber of player he is.
But i suspect he just lost to a random random right before he made that post.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
September 02 2010 14:25 GMT
#35
You do have an advantage playing random, you also have a pretty huge setback in that you need to learn far more match ups and you don't practice your race specific mechanics as much. In all honesty I think that the disadvantages of playing random out weight the advantages. I played random for the first 2~ weeks of retail and all of beta, but I just couldn't keep up with the progress I wanted to make because I never could practice the matchup or mechanics or build order I wanted to practice when I played ladder.

I think its ridiculous that the guy was so BM regardless of what race you are. Also I always wall off vs random in case they are zerg, cause if you don't you are FUCKED.
When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 02 2010 14:34 GMT
#36
On September 02 2010 10:21 avilo wrote:
that guy BM'd me hardcore in beta too. Everyone has their off days though, but this guy's off day is probably everyday.

btw tho, stop acting like you do not get an advantage from playing random. You do - the opponent doesn't know your race, and you know theirs. Which does mean there will be many times where you get a pure build order advantage and may get a win off someone that is 500% better than you.

If you want to play random and then claim you're better than someone after you get a win off of them, play it and tell your race at the start of the game if they ask you.

Otherwise, yes, you are gaining a free advantage, and no, it is not a disadvantage to learn more match-ups.

When your opponent has one more piece of information than you when the game starts, they are at the advantage aka random players.

so...he is bad mannered either way when he loses to random or not, but don't be BM yourself and try to claim you do not gain an advantage from going random.



It's not a disadvantage to learn different matchups?Really?Yes sure in early game if you random you have a tiny advantage but maybe the other guy can just play safe?Is it that hard?Send probe after pylon/Just get a pool first/Terran can just go standart rax with tech lab and you are not in any sort of bad position?

LOL I don't get this please explain.Personally I random only if it's not a zerg because I hate ZvZ .
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