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sounds like another job for the random crusade
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Doesnt this guy post here? I swear ive seen his name around here before..
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Hes an idiot, nothing else to it.
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Battle net is infested with complete retards who think they are pro and lose just because of imbalance.I don't know where they came from but when terrans tell me zvt requires no skill after they 5 rax reaper and all in with scvs you know it's bad.
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Well what did you do, six pool him?
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I've seen this kid before. What a douche.
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lol 7 matchups
but he is right about the random advantage, and sort of right about learning TvZ/ZvT since you gotta learn RELATIVE timings and know what goes on with both players to know what to do as one, so...
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wow this kid is BM for sure.
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please ignore kids like these...no need to expose him -_-
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You should've stopped responding after "learn simple match."
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bhelliom is not bm he's just a bit off.
Whenever we play he always cybors me.
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Calgary25998 Posts
You posting this justifies his comments. People do this shit to get attention. Grow up and get some thicker skin.
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man you so lucky
no1 BMs me after a game. They just call terran op and leave during the game. I want something to do between games!
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I think the part that bothers me the most is that his supposed *math* wasn't right even by his logic. If tvz = zvt, and pvt = tvp, then you've also got zvp = pvz, so really there are 6 matchups, the other three being mirrors... But other than that, who cares? I've had people rage at me for playing the OP Terran/Zerg when I random'd into them. Apparently my protoss isn't OP  .
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LOL even using his flawed logic, there would be 6 matchups, not 7. He forgot zvp = pvz.
Basically he's a noob AND bad at math/logic in general.
edit: fucking NINJA'D!
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On September 02 2010 09:20 aznmathfreak wrote:I think the part that bothers me the most is that his supposed *math* wasn't right even by his logic. If tvz = zvt, and pvt = tvp, then you've also got zvp = pvz, so really there are 6 matchups, the other three being mirrors... But other than that, who cares? I've had people rage at me for playing the OP Terran/Zerg when I random'd into them. Apparently my protoss isn't OP .
ROFL I didn't even notice that hahaha
Thanks chill for the kind comments 
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Yea cause learning how to play ZvT totally prepares you as a player to play TvZ ROFL. Stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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I play random too and got similar BM from a toss player on Kulas. He spawned bottom right and double scouted top right and bottom left. He knew i spawned top left but not my race. He than placed a pylon and a forge at my choke and asked my race. I replied random and he told me i had a big enough advantage already. >.< He then raged for 2 mins after his cannon rush failed against a zerg who was nearing lair tech. I simply placed a forward creep tumor and he couldn't place cannons any closer. Apparently playing random is an advantage in some peoples minds, yet they don't play random themselves... Sadly this was another fail diamond player
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I didn't like playing vs random on bw, same goes for sc2. You better win or you would have to listen to this same kind of talk, the only difference would be me saying how he actually sucks beyond possible and should stick to 1 race and how I wasted my time because I did some unimaginable build and still won.
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WAit...by his reason ZvT = TvZ, then PvT = TvP, so ZvP = PvZ....so with his logic its 6 matchups not 7 lol.
On September 02 2010 09:18 Chill wrote:
You posting this justifies his comments. People do this shit to get attention. Grow up and get some thicker skin.
He's not whining, he's sharing something that he found funny. Get a sense of humor? If you don't find this funny why are u posting at all?
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I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game.
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On September 02 2010 09:51 blahman3344 wrote:
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game.
But he won..
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On September 02 2010 09:55 News wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 09:51 blahman3344 wrote:
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game. But he won..
He won, but he was playing against someone who was random. Random is much harder to master than one specific race because u need to know 3x the build orders, and know relative timings for all of the matchups too.
To say that "you have random advantage" would only work at a level where the random player knows all the build orders and relative timings really well, like a progamer would. The thing is that the OP isn't quite at that level yet ( no offense ^^; ), so "random advantage" isn't something that is applicable.
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scouting at 10/10 pretty much solves any advantage a random player has.
so who cares if you have to trade a small bit of econ for massive knowledge?
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On September 02 2010 10:12 blahman3344 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 09:55 News wrote:On September 02 2010 09:51 blahman3344 wrote:
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game. But he won.. He won, but he was playing against someone who was random. Random is much harder to master than one specific race because u need to know 3x the build orders, and know relative timings for all of the matchups too. To say that "you have random advantage" would only work at a level where the random player knows all the build orders and relative timings really well, like a progamer would. The thing is that the OP isn't quite at that level yet ( no offense ^^; ), so "random advantage" isn't something that is applicable.
You only have random advantage when you get your best race, that is all. I never implied anything about advantage, I just like to talk shit myself to players who pick random just because I honestly think they are wasting time (unless they fuck around beign drunk or w/e lol, I do that myself sometimes).
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that guy BM'd me hardcore in beta too. Everyone has their off days though, but this guy's off day is probably everyday.
btw tho, stop acting like you do not get an advantage from playing random. You do - the opponent doesn't know your race, and you know theirs. Which does mean there will be many times where you get a pure build order advantage and may get a win off someone that is 500% better than you.
If you want to play random and then claim you're better than someone after you get a win off of them, play it and tell your race at the start of the game if they ask you.
Otherwise, yes, you are gaining a free advantage, and no, it is not a disadvantage to learn more match-ups.
When your opponent has one more piece of information than you when the game starts, they are at the advantage aka random players.
so...he is bad mannered either way when he loses to random or not, but don't be BM yourself and try to claim you do not gain an advantage from going random.
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On September 02 2010 10:18 News wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 10:12 blahman3344 wrote:On September 02 2010 09:55 News wrote:On September 02 2010 09:51 blahman3344 wrote:
I would've just ignored this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about and is just another guy that joined SC2 because it's blizzard's new and shiny game. But he won.. He won, but he was playing against someone who was random. Random is much harder to master than one specific race because u need to know 3x the build orders, and know relative timings for all of the matchups too. To say that "you have random advantage" would only work at a level where the random player knows all the build orders and relative timings really well, like a progamer would. The thing is that the OP isn't quite at that level yet ( no offense ^^; ), so "random advantage" isn't something that is applicable. You only have random advantage when you get your best race, that is all.
Not really, because your best race would be better if you didn't play random.
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What was the point of posting his id?
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It's funny because even doing the math his way he's still wrong.. it'd be 6 matchups while counting his way.
To the post above me: He probably copy and pasted.
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On September 02 2010 10:21 avilo wrote:
that guy BM'd me hardcore in beta too. Everyone has their off days though, but this guy's off day is probably everyday.
btw tho, stop acting like you do not get an advantage from playing random. You do - the opponent doesn't know your race, and you know theirs. Which does mean there will be many times where you get a pure build order advantage and may get a win off someone that is 500% better than you.
If you want to play random and then claim you're better than someone after you get a win off of them, play it and tell your race at the start of the game if they ask you.
Otherwise, yes, you are gaining a free advantage, and no, it is not a disadvantage to learn more match-ups.
When your opponent has one more piece of information than you when the game starts, they are at the advantage aka random players.
so...he is bad mannered either way when he loses to random or not, but don't be BM yourself and try to claim you do not gain an advantage from going random.
I don't think I've ever stated that there's no advantage in playing random, and I totally agree that it limits their early options.I simply think that learning that many matchups is a big offset else everybody would be playing random (which this guy didn't understand).
And I always tell my race when someone ask, so must people that care to know will be fine.
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man avilo sure doesnt venture far in the way of logic especially for the caliber of player he is.
But i suspect he just lost to a random random right before he made that post.
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You do have an advantage playing random, you also have a pretty huge setback in that you need to learn far more match ups and you don't practice your race specific mechanics as much. In all honesty I think that the disadvantages of playing random out weight the advantages. I played random for the first 2~ weeks of retail and all of beta, but I just couldn't keep up with the progress I wanted to make because I never could practice the matchup or mechanics or build order I wanted to practice when I played ladder.
I think its ridiculous that the guy was so BM regardless of what race you are. Also I always wall off vs random in case they are zerg, cause if you don't you are FUCKED.
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On September 02 2010 10:21 avilo wrote:
that guy BM'd me hardcore in beta too. Everyone has their off days though, but this guy's off day is probably everyday.
btw tho, stop acting like you do not get an advantage from playing random. You do - the opponent doesn't know your race, and you know theirs. Which does mean there will be many times where you get a pure build order advantage and may get a win off someone that is 500% better than you.
If you want to play random and then claim you're better than someone after you get a win off of them, play it and tell your race at the start of the game if they ask you.
Otherwise, yes, you are gaining a free advantage, and no, it is not a disadvantage to learn more match-ups.
When your opponent has one more piece of information than you when the game starts, they are at the advantage aka random players.
so...he is bad mannered either way when he loses to random or not, but don't be BM yourself and try to claim you do not gain an advantage from going random.
It's not a disadvantage to learn different matchups?Really?Yes sure in early game if you random you have a tiny advantage but maybe the other guy can just play safe?Is it that hard?Send probe after pylon/Just get a pool first/Terran can just go standart rax with tech lab and you are not in any sort of bad position?
LOL I don't get this please explain.Personally I random only if it's not a zerg because I hate ZvZ .
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