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WHY DO MEDIVACS HAVE PRIORITY?
WHY IS IT, THAT THE UNIT WHICH COVERS UP THE MARINE, HAS PRIORITY OVER THE MARINE?
My base just got wiped out by 6 marines and 6 medivacs, after my ling/bling failed to kill every single marine (only 80% of his force)
Apparently 6 marines and 6 medvacs can solo 12 mutas, simply because you cannot actually hit the marines if they are under the medivacs.
This needs to be fixed, its such bullshit.
ZvT is honestly not nearly as bad as people put it out to be, but retarded situations like this just make me want to rage.
 
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Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something.
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On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something.
did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post.
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On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post.
Did you know that you can 1a2a mutaling and kill that entire force in about 3 seconds?
OR if all you have is mutas focus fire medivacs and marines die next..you'll lose like 3-4 mutas..maybe
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On August 22 2010 07:06 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know that you can 1a2a mutaling and kill that entire force in about 3 seconds?
Not when its in your mineral line and the lings can only hit 2 or 3 units, and the mutas can't do anything but shoot at the medivacs. I wiped out every unit but a few marines and 1 marauder, and still had all of my mutas. The terran just grouped his medvacs over his marines and sat in my base, there was nothing I could do other than reinforce with zerglings, which wasn't enough.
You really think you can focus fire down 6-8 medivacs before 6-10 marines kill your mutas? thats only what, 1000hp?
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On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post.
Did you know you can shift the camera?
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On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something.
does 1a count as macro?
if there is 12 marines u can certainly click one of them :/
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prepare lings with your mutas, problem solved?
this sounds like your fault, shouldve been more careful, seriously.
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On August 22 2010 07:06 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know that you can 1a2a mutaling and kill that entire force in about 3 seconds? OR if all you have is mutas focus fire medivacs and marines die next..you'll lose like 3-4 mutas..maybe
OP said his baneling/ling army was already wiped out by the larger marine force leaving him with 12 mutas. 12 mutas can't win against 6 marines and 6 medivacs if the mutas are only targetting medivacs.
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On August 22 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know you can shift the camera?
Good call, never thought of that.
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On August 22 2010 07:09 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote:On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know you can shift the camera? Good call, never thought of that.
Does anyone ever do that in-game?
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On August 22 2010 07:10 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:09 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote:On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know you can shift the camera? Good call, never thought of that. Does anyone ever do that in-game?
I actually had it disabled because its annoying and I never thought I would have to deal with this retarded shit.
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On August 22 2010 07:10 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:09 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote:On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know you can shift the camera? Good call, never thought of that. Does anyone ever do that in-game?
unfortunately sometimes i have to in order to target stuff under stuff or to manage my zealot choke on delta quadrant.
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On August 22 2010 07:06 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know that you can 1a2a mutaling and kill that entire force in about 3 seconds? OR if all you have is mutas focus fire medivacs and marines die next..you'll lose like 3-4 mutas..maybe
It's still kinda nonsensical that medivacs would have higher priority than marines though. Imagine if medics had higher priority than marines. That shit would be ridiculous.
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Its not that this situation is impossible to prevent or that it is totally broken...its just that it really shouldn't happen in the first place.
Why is a medivac (a non-combat unit), given attack priority over a marine (a combat unit)?
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On August 22 2010 07:25 sob3k wrote:
Its not that this situation is impossible to prevent or that it is totally broken...its just that it really shouldn't happen in the first place.
Why is a medivac (a non-combat unit), given attack priority over a marine (a combat unit)?
Exactly, and the worst part is the medvac obstructs the view of the marine.
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Weren't people complaining about SCVs not having targeting priority when repairing Planetary Fortresses? This is pretty much the same situation. It isn't entirely unreasonable to have the medic unit be more of a priority.
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On August 22 2010 07:36 deconduo wrote:
Weren't people complaining about SCVs not having targeting priority when repairing Planetary Fortresses? This is pretty much the same situation. It isn't entirely unreasonable to have the medic unit be more of a priority.
You are saying that it would be reasonable to give the repairing unit priority If the SCV's had 150hp and flew over top of the PF completely obstructing its view? Just saying it like that makes it sound completely retarded.
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United States4053 Posts
I don't have SC2 so this is just a random thought, but couldn't you also make an invincible ball out of a lot of medivacs covering marines and SCVs?
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Why not send your mutas in with your lings/banelings?
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On August 22 2010 08:01 d(O.o)a wrote:
Why not send your mutas in with your lings/banelings?
Read the thread, I did. the ling/bling cleaned up 90% of his army, hence why I the whole muta vs rine/medvac situation happened in the first place.
Look, 95% of the time this isn't going to be an issue, but its just something that makes no sense, and should be fixed regardless.
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On August 22 2010 08:07 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 08:01 d(O.o)a wrote:
Why not send your mutas in with your lings/banelings? Read the thread, I did. the ling/bling cleaned up 90% of his army, hence why I the whole muta vs rine/medvac situation happened in the first place. Look, 95% of the time this isn't going to be an issue, but its just something that makes no sense, and should be fixed regardless.
You said you were left with your mutalisks, I assumed that they were elsewhere at the time, thus when you engaged why weren't your mutalisks there?
If they were there than why were your mutalisks the ONLY thing left?
Why didn't you use your drones (since you said it was near your minerals) or units that had just spawned (or did you stop macroing?)
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On August 22 2010 08:15 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 08:07 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 08:01 d(O.o)a wrote:
Why not send your mutas in with your lings/banelings? Read the thread, I did. the ling/bling cleaned up 90% of his army, hence why I the whole muta vs rine/medvac situation happened in the first place. Look, 95% of the time this isn't going to be an issue, but its just something that makes no sense, and should be fixed regardless. You said you were left with your mutalisks, I assumed that they were elsewhere at the time, thus when you engaged why weren't your mutalisks there? If they were there than why were your mutalisks the ONLY thing left? Why didn't you use your drones (since you said it was near your minerals) or units that had just spawned (or did you stop macroing?)
I saw the dropships coming, sent my mutas and my lings back, engaged together instantly raping 90% of his units, at which point my lings were all dead, and my mutas couldn't do shit. ling/bling dies faster than mutas... then I had 1 operational hatchery making units.
It doesn't even matter. I'm done venting my anger about that game, now I'm just wondering why medvacs have priority.
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On August 22 2010 07:10 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:09 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote:On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know you can shift the camera? Good call, never thought of that. Does anyone ever do that in-game?
I do it all the time to micro my DTs to kill marines inside the blob below the medivacs.
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On August 22 2010 08:18 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 08:15 d(O.o)a wrote:On August 22 2010 08:07 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 08:01 d(O.o)a wrote:
Why not send your mutas in with your lings/banelings? Read the thread, I did. the ling/bling cleaned up 90% of his army, hence why I the whole muta vs rine/medvac situation happened in the first place. Look, 95% of the time this isn't going to be an issue, but its just something that makes no sense, and should be fixed regardless. You said you were left with your mutalisks, I assumed that they were elsewhere at the time, thus when you engaged why weren't your mutalisks there? If they were there than why were your mutalisks the ONLY thing left? Why didn't you use your drones (since you said it was near your minerals) or units that had just spawned (or did you stop macroing?) I saw the dropships coming, sent my mutas and my lings back, engaged together. ling/bling dies faster than mutas... then I had 1 operational hatchery making units. It doesn't even matter. I'm done venting my anger about that game, now I'm just wondering why medvacs have priority.
Because this is the new WoW blizzard and in WoW you kill the healer first.
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On August 22 2010 08:21 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 08:18 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 08:15 d(O.o)a wrote:On August 22 2010 08:07 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 08:01 d(O.o)a wrote:
Why not send your mutas in with your lings/banelings? Read the thread, I did. the ling/bling cleaned up 90% of his army, hence why I the whole muta vs rine/medvac situation happened in the first place. Look, 95% of the time this isn't going to be an issue, but its just something that makes no sense, and should be fixed regardless. You said you were left with your mutalisks, I assumed that they were elsewhere at the time, thus when you engaged why weren't your mutalisks there? If they were there than why were your mutalisks the ONLY thing left? Why didn't you use your drones (since you said it was near your minerals) or units that had just spawned (or did you stop macroing?) I saw the dropships coming, sent my mutas and my lings back, engaged together. ling/bling dies faster than mutas... then I had 1 operational hatchery making units. It doesn't even matter. I'm done venting my anger about that game, now I'm just wondering why medvacs have priority. Because this is the new WoW blizzard and in WoW you kill the healer first.
In wow the healer doesn't have AOE taunt lol.
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Wc3 tip incoming (works in SC2 also): If you want to micro units beneath a cloud of air units you have to use your scroll wheel so that your camera sees only units below the air. Or shift point of view with the home and end keys (i think).
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I don't play ZvT so I don't know the situation very well, but in PvT when I need to snipe ghosts, I have to zoom in with the mouse wheel. I guess it's harder against marines since there's a lot more of them than ghosts, but if you queue focus fires on them, it might not be too bad.
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On August 22 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know you can shift the camera?
Who really does that?
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On August 22 2010 08:46 TaiYang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote:On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know you can shift the camera? Who really does that?
people who do want to kill the marines? why not work with the stuff you are given?
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New element of micro: If you don't want the AI to kill you, you must focus fire everything you want to kill. New priorities in patch:
Thors will prioritize ground over air.
Tanks will not fire in areas where friendly fire from tanks will occur unless micro'ed to do so.
Overlords will take priority over all zerg units.
Banelings will take lowest priority.
Forget changing the PF, SCV, marine, Thor, and medivac priorities, it must be all other priorities that must be changed. For micro! 
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FOCUS FIRE
The only micro in SC2
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On August 22 2010 09:06 green.at wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 08:46 TaiYang wrote:On August 22 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote:On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know you can shift the camera? Who really does that? people who do want to kill the marines? why not work with the stuff you are given?
And i imagine in a not too far future this thread in the Sc2 Strategy Forums:
[G]Camera Management in ZvT
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Yeah he could have used the camera to angle his view better to focus fire the marines but I think what he was trying to say is, you shouldn't have to fight against the AI to get things done. Honestly, having medivacs as the priority is absolutely retarded and they better fix in the upcoming patch.
To those saying he should learn to micro, the AI should never be counter productive, at least to this extent.
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Scroll wheel is your friend. Trying using it, same with tilt the camera to pick off the scvs behind the thor you cant click on 
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United States10774 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:06 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 07:04 Wr3k wrote:On August 22 2010 07:03 Megalisk wrote:
Did you know...that you can choose which units your units can fire at?
I think its called mirco or morci or something. did you know that you can't see the marines to click on them if the other player tells his medivacs to group up above the marines? I.e the entire point of this post. Did you know that you can 1a2a mutaling and kill that entire force in about 3 seconds? OR if all you have is mutas focus fire medivacs and marines die next..you'll lose like 3-4 mutas..maybe
Talk about taking a dump on a blog with terrible attitude and advice lol
Back on topic, I never thought of using camera angles in-game for my advantage haha. I haven't really encountered a situation where I needed it but nevertheless interesting. It is pretty ridiculous that medivacs take priority though and should be addressed in the meantime.
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On August 22 2010 12:09 OneOther wrote:
Back on topic, I never thought of using camera angles in-game for my advantage haha. I haven't really encountered a situation where I needed it but nevertheless interesting. It is pretty ridiculous that medivacs take priority though and should be addressed in the meantime.
I've advocated on and off "stacking" air units by putting them in a literal stack (now that we actually have 3D to work with) rather than the ridiculous 1700 overlords in 2 pixels of space you get now. (<-- This example is grossly exaggerated.) I mean, really, how else do you "justify" the air unit stack that happens in BW? I know it was a bug to begin with, but the potential justification is there just begging to be noticed.
Short version of the above: IMO the potential of having 3D was and is grossly underused.
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How did priority work in BW? Wasn't it just unit attacking you > military unit > peons+spellcasters? It seemed to work pretty damn well...
(I miss being able to use peons to block units from hitting during cheese defense.)
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I'm sorry for your plight OP. I really think players should be able to customize the AI of units under their command. At the very least an option to switch between BW and SC2 AI would actually remedy some salient problems such as: units moving out of each others' way when not commanded to do so, melee units' auto-surround targeting enemy units that weren't originally targeted by the player, or wonky niche situations like this one.
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On August 22 2010 12:26 EchOne wrote:
I'm sorry for your plight OP. I really think players should be able to customize the AI of units under their command. At the very least an option to switch between BW and SC2 AI would actually remedy some salient problems such as: units moving out of each others' way when not commanded to do so, melee units' auto-surround targeting enemy units that weren't originally targeted by the player, or wonky niche situations like this one.
allowing players to customize it would cause more imbalance complaints in my opinion. Blizzard just needs to change priority to attacking units, and buildings can be an exception, such as turrets, p fortress, etc..
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