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Yesterday morning, my parents went to a lake trail to walk, and they planned to barbeque when they got back for lunch. So what happened was when they got back home, my dad went to take a shower while my mom went out to the stores to buy sausages. She bought the cheaper kind for 2.99$$.
So when she got home my dad was giving her an attitude for buying the ones that he doesn't like and he wanted the sausages from the store for 7.99$. So my dad was insulting my mom like "dumbass" "Trash" ...etc. My mom i believe doesn't think that's normal now because my dad always says that to her, me and our entire family.
My dad was like
"Go return these back into the store and get the ones for 7.99$" (in a rude tone) "But i already got these" "return it NOW we tried these sausages the last time and you know it wasn't good" "okay" "FUCK, don't return it, i don't want you to waste the gas money, if you're gonna return it walk and do it"
So because they went walking in the morning, they came back and my dad wanted some orange juice in the fridge. But the juice was placed deep in the fridge, and there was yogourt blocking it. So he just dragged the orange juice from inside the fridge and knocked out all the yogourt on the ground. Thats when my mom blew annd screamed "What the hell is your problem" i can understand because after being called trash/dumbass for buying the cheaper kind of sausage for a GOOD reason because my dad was the only guy with a job so she was trying to save money. So she got REALLY pissed and smashed a glass cup on the ground and it shattered.
"fine let's not eat anything this entire day then" says my dad "okay fine, i was trying to be good hearted and save you money, and you rage about it" my mom responded.
So basically afterwards They went into seperate rooms for the entire time from 12:00pm to 5:30pm. My mom came to the kitchen to make me and my sister ramen at 3pm, she didn't have any though. At around 4:30pm, my dad went to cook himself food, and after he finished eating my mom went down to make us dumplings. As soon as my mom turned on the stove he went
"TURN IT OFF" "Why? no" "TURN IT OFF, Trashes like you don't deserver to eat" "... FINE, i'm leaving the house to get fresh air" (While it was raining outside :\
Soon my dad yelled at my sister, and said
"Pick up these yogourts if you want it, if not i'm throwing it away"
Obviously my sister was frightened and picked them up and put them in the fridge. (But seriously you knocked it down, at least have the decency to put it back yourself...)
Few minutes later, he yelled my name
"YANG, you're dumb as a nut, go find your mom why are you sitting there like youre a dumbass".
Needless to say i was pissed and said, "don't you think its you should be the one to find her? you're weak as hell, can't even admit/ nor apologize for being an ass"
My sister wanted to come too, but she was caught by my dad while she was putting on her shoes.
At the end i found out that she was screamed, at, and was forced to slap herself on the face hard (This happens often as punishment for her) and was forced to stand in the basement.
So i went out i was hungry, all i had was ramen, i knew my mom didn't have any lunch nor dinner, so i went into tacobell to buy 3 bean burritos for 3 dollars, it was pretty cheap. I ate one while on the way.
I searched for about 1.5horus to 2 hours wondering the streets and going to stores like walgreens to find her. At the end i found her, i gave my mom a burrito and we talked for a bit and went back. I secretly snuck the burrito for my sister in the basement she was really frightened and was eating it with caution.
Now realize, that all of this happened because and ONLY because of the sausages that my mom bought. There was no other things that made my dad pissed of f, and i can gaurantee that its not "the straw that broke the camel's back" plus there from what i know, he wasn't in a PARTICULARLY bad mood that day nor anything like that.
I talked to my mom later at night she was like "realize your dad is the only one working with a job, its hard for him" I raged and responded "oh yah, so now everyone's wife that doesn't work in a family has a husband that rages like that"
I find it ridiculous my mom believes that its OKAY for my dad to rage becuase we feel different about something nor have a disagreement in the family.
As a child i used to get beaten by my dad for various reasons mostly school, and other times just because he gets pissed off, he's afraid to do it now because he knows i will strick back.
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So today i got the bill for my freshmen year college's bills, it was around 16,000$$, and i thought maybe that my 5500$ scholarship was already deducted into it. So he got raged again and said "OF COURSE ITS NOT DEDUCTED IT LOOK AT THIS...etc" and i can hear him mumbling "piece of trash...etc".
"god, i can look at this for 2 seconds and i know its not deducted, while you looked at it for an entire afternoon, This is why you can't score high on your tests, you don't understand how to do these things and read these situations, and you NEVER will. I've been in school my entire life, you'll need to ask me for assistance even when im 80"
"yeah, if you beg me to ask you."
(Even though i have till aug 8th to pay the bill, and i can EASILY call the college to ask if it was deducted or not, he still rages like this)
Now, notice that it's not 100% sure whose right or wrong yet, but thats not the point. It's the fact that EVERYTHING he tries to teach me in life, he rages about it first, and insults my intelligence, my worth of a human being and the entire family. Plus to be honest i never had a role model, but i do have someone to model to know what NOT to do.
Anyways that's my rant, I understand if he rages like this is because he's paying for my colleges like most asian parents, but he's actually not. He's lending me money without interest fees, and i have to return it back to him after my 6 year program. And he acts like i need to depend on him for everything. I'm actually SO MUCH MORE happy to get bank for $$ instead of depending on this asshole, and having to rage with him every so often.
I'm moving to my dorm aug 19th and i can't wait till i get out of this shit hole, though i feel bad for my sister she's only 10 and still have several more years to live through.
edit: I don't want pity, just wanted to share.
   
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Wow, you kind is kinda fucked up. Should't you know - tell someone about this (not the Internet). This sounds abusive.
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some people self destruct as they age, especially around middle age when they realize their lives are half baked. This kind of behaviour is more common than you might think.
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sounds like my dad growing up, but he has completely changed the way he acts. He still gets mad, but mostly it is my fault. He definetly is better the way he reacts and handles situations. Im sorry to hear this, and when I read your sister is only 10 that made me really angry. It is a shitty situation, but i dont think it is nearly as bad as it could be. Of course im going off the little infromation you give, and it sounds it has never gone beyond verbal abuse. Still, it could be worse.
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You're dad is a douche. I am just going to hope that this isn't his 24/7 attitude, and that he does have his good days.
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Damn dude...I hate your dad already... I feel really empathetic towards you guys.
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Contact a third party with your mother. By not doing so you're potentially going to cause huge amounts of damage to both your mother and sister who'll have to otherwise stay with your father. Making a 10 year old slap herself is bad enough but a person capable of doing so is capable of much more than that if things don't go according to his plan.
Good luck and hopefully your family's situation is a bit brighter in the future.
edit: I hope you understand that in most families even a small hit is usually a big fucking deal, your father seems like a person that is clearly not capable of raising a human being with that kind of attitude. Save your family by getting them help from a third party or you're going to regret it for the rest of your life.
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On July 13 2010 08:38 Dance.jhu wrote: sounds like my dad growing up, but he has completely changed the way he acts. He still gets mad, but mostly it is my fault. He definetly is better the way he reacts and handles situations. Im sorry to hear this, and when I read your sister is only 10 that made me really angry. It is a shitty situation, but i dont think it is nearly as bad as it could be. Of course im going off the little infromation you give, and it sounds it has never gone beyond verbal abuse. Still, it could be worse. It's mostly verbal abuse now, sometimes my sister still gets beat physically, not me anymore, and rarely my mom anymore.
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Hey dude, I'm sorry for what your going through :/
I just wanted to say a couple things. First, just remember we all have parent trouble and even if your dad seems harsh and asshole-like, he's still your dad. It could be that he doesn't know how to show his affection for you and thus treats you like shit (wtf, but it could be >.< ) ; regarding the borrowing of money for college, I know some friends whose dads said the same thing only to make them work hard but never asked for the money back afterwards.
Most importantly, do NOT think college is an escape for you. Don't ever forget your sister and your mom is still there. Please go back home and contact your sister and mother to make sure everything is okay; make sure your sister and mom can contact you at a moments notice. Even if you dont' like your dad, make sure you protect your sister and mom.
Anyways, life will get better eventually. Good luck at college 
I hope you have fun there ^^
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On July 13 2010 08:40 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:38 Dance.jhu wrote: sounds like my dad growing up, but he has completely changed the way he acts. He still gets mad, but mostly it is my fault. He definetly is better the way he reacts and handles situations. Im sorry to hear this, and when I read your sister is only 10 that made me really angry. It is a shitty situation, but i dont think it is nearly as bad as it could be. Of course im going off the little infromation you give, and it sounds it has never gone beyond verbal abuse. Still, it could be worse. It's mostly verbal abuse now, sometimes my sister still gets beat physically, not me anymore, and rarely my mom anymore.
by beat, do you mean spanked? i sure hope so
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Yep, sounds like he's a douche...realize that he's just a asshole who happens to be your dad and interact as little as possible. Thats what I do. With my parents I've found its not even worth arguing with them or even rebuking the retarded stuff they sometimes say...just going about my business as if nothing happened makes everything alot easier. Be glad you are an adult and can (college cost the annoying exception) take care of yourself and live your own life without making their mistakes.
Thats terrible for your sister though, are your parent contemplating divorce or anything?
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On July 13 2010 08:41 Dance.jhu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:40 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 08:38 Dance.jhu wrote: sounds like my dad growing up, but he has completely changed the way he acts. He still gets mad, but mostly it is my fault. He definetly is better the way he reacts and handles situations. Im sorry to hear this, and when I read your sister is only 10 that made me really angry. It is a shitty situation, but i dont think it is nearly as bad as it could be. Of course im going off the little infromation you give, and it sounds it has never gone beyond verbal abuse. Still, it could be worse. It's mostly verbal abuse now, sometimes my sister still gets beat physically, not me anymore, and rarely my mom anymore. by beat, do you mean spanked? i sure hope so Few month ago, my sister's face was red with bruises, and was made to lie to teachers and students saying that it was just a rash. And she is often kicked not sure about the strength of kick, but definitly enough to get her to be on her butt.
I used to get belted, with bruises over my leg, my sides on the body, and my arms would be totally red. He doesn't dare to do it anymore though to me anyways.
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Thats terrible for your sister though, are your parent contemplating divorce or anything? they did a lot of years ago, not anymore. The way my dad verbally assaults my mom is a normal thing now, so she doesn't feel anything is wrong with it... Plus my mom depends on him for money.
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I understand man. I understand. Just push through it till you can depend on yourself and support your mom. It's hard shit.
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United States24613 Posts
What you described is child abuse. If you give me your contact information I am legally required to report your family to child protective services.
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if my dad ever hit my mom id kick the fucking shit out of him, ill never understand how any people can tolerate stuff like this
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I have the same problem, but with my mom.
When I move out I plan on taking as much shit as possible and never speaking to her again.
My dad is cool though.
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If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school.
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On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please contact child protective services or at least the counselors at your school. No exaggeration :\, i just simply translated as best as i can from chinese to english. I thought about reporting such things but you know i never get the kick to do it. And even if i got people that tells me to do it, i just can't ...
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On July 13 2010 08:28 YPang wrote: I'm moving to my dorm aug 19th and i can't wait till i get out of this shit hole, though i feel bad for my sister she's only 10 and still have several more years to live through.
I think you should consider calling child services. Or you can get micronesia to do it for you...
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On July 13 2010 08:43 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:41 Dance.jhu wrote:On July 13 2010 08:40 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 08:38 Dance.jhu wrote: sounds like my dad growing up, but he has completely changed the way he acts. He still gets mad, but mostly it is my fault. He definetly is better the way he reacts and handles situations. Im sorry to hear this, and when I read your sister is only 10 that made me really angry. It is a shitty situation, but i dont think it is nearly as bad as it could be. Of course im going off the little infromation you give, and it sounds it has never gone beyond verbal abuse. Still, it could be worse. It's mostly verbal abuse now, sometimes my sister still gets beat physically, not me anymore, and rarely my mom anymore. by beat, do you mean spanked? i sure hope so Few month ago, my sister's face was red with bruises, and was made to lie to teachers and students saying that it was just a rash. And she is often kicked not sure about the strength of kick, but definitly enough to get her to be on her butt. I used to get belted, with bruises over my leg, my sides on the body, and my arms would be totally red. He doesn't dare to do it anymore though to me anyways.
Whoa man...hold your horses... thats totally not ok and you need to tell someone who can help get him counseling and stop this from happening ever again.
It is your moral responsibility to protect your sister from child abuse...you NEED to to seek help.
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guys guys guys, there's really not a lot he can do. if he does call child services it just puts his family in an even worse position. his dad is the only one with the job, where would the sister and mother go if they were parted with the dad? not to mention who would loan him money for university? they wouldn't have any money to go anywhere. i don't think his mom is stupid enough to not realize what her options are, she just knows that putting up with his shit would be the best life for her and her family for the time being.
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I don't want to get into this...
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Some people just aren't worth your time, family or otherwise.
Take care of your mom and sister. And get to college as soon as you can.
Get some therapy as well! That's big. For your sister and mom too if you can.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Sorry, but even if you don't think it's the best idea, I strongly suggest you talk to child protective services.
I know you really don't want to in fear of him flipping and shit and disowning you or whatnot. I know the repercussions might be severe, but you just have to understand that this is not like the typical asian family situation. This is definitely overboard and you have to at least seek out some help.
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That is a really bad situation..I hated my household (constantly fighting parents, never layed a finger on me and siblings though) but I didn't know things could be like this O_o. Calling child services is a really delicate thing though, it might cause more anger and worse things to happen, however It is probably the only option.
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Baa?21242 Posts
Even if you don't want to go as drastic as child services right away, I strongly suggest you talk to at least -someone- As zulu said, a counselor at your school maybe. If this is really what's going on, this isn't really something you should just bear with cause this is not going to have a good ending .
Good luck with everything.
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I know its tough, but you need to get help.
You need to talk to someone like this. One day your Dad could get into a rage and take it too far.
It only takes one second for him to make a huge mistake.
I've worked with countless children from abusive homes, you don't want your sister to grow up in a situation like that.
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On July 13 2010 08:51 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please contact child protective services or at least the counselors at your school. No exaggeration :\, i just simply translated as best as i can from chinese to english. I thought about reporting such things but you know i never get the kick to do it. And even if i got people that tells me to do it, i just can't ...
dude, I know how fucking difficult this is but it is something you absolutely MUST do. Its totally not even an option to let your little sister get beat up because you feel uncomfortable confronting the problem. If you don't do something to help you will never be able to get it off of your conscience.
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On July 13 2010 08:52 Malgrif wrote: guys guys guys, there's really not a lot he can do. if he does call child services it just puts his family in an even worse position. his dad is the only one with the job, where would the sister and mother go if they were parted with the dad? not to mention who would loan him money for university? they wouldn't have any money to go anywhere. i don't think his mom is stupid enough to not realize what her options are, she just knows that putting up with his shit would be the best life for her and her family for the time being.
Wtf do you think social services does? Split the whole family up into internment camps? Confiscate life savings?
FYI....they don't
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
call child protective services, please.
i have unfortunately witnessed this first hand (a lot of the scenes were identical to yours) and the damage to people under this kind of abuse is criminal. your sister is just going to be hollowed out.
as much as i despise the term, i believe how you treat your wife and kids is the only true gauge of "manhood".
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I suggest you beat the crap out of that bastard until he thinks twice about doing that shit to you guys. He can't call the cops b/c then you can just tell what he's been doing the whole time.
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I'm at a loss for words and I don't even know what I could say that would help. But there's a lot of good advice in this thread.
Take care, and hopefully this will just be a memory soon enough.
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I'm pretty damn sure it is the law to report abuse if you hear about it, in Missouri at least, which would cross out the whole talking to counselor thing. But being an online forum and all, we can't really do much... Anyways... a lot of asian dads have this idea of being the "boss" and having to "dominate" family matters, which can lead to expression of anger that most people would hold to themselves in other types of families. YPang, just because you go off to college, doesn't mean you'll be away from your family/father. You still have to go back during summers. If your sister is getting abused to the point where it turns physical, you yourself should at least take action to stop him, whether it is calling the police or stopping him. Sometimes, people need to be shaken up to realize what they are doing is wrong. You yourself need to take action asap to correct the problem.Verbal abuse from him is understandable because my parents did it all the time in order to get me to shake up and honestly, it worked. However, physical abuse only damages people who are still looking up to their parents and only leads to abusive parenting by the child later on.
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Sounds a lot like my family every Saturday =_=
All I can say is that you probably shouldn't call the cops. Your mom sounds a lot like my mom, and if you do end up calling the cops, she'll probably bail him out like mine did and you will be back to where you started or worse (probably worse). If she doesn't understand she is being abused it will all be for naught. It's up to you to something in that case.
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Graduate in four years and house your sister? Then again that's no where near as short
Slip some estrogen in his drinks? =P
But social services wouldn't be a bad idea, especially since you are going to college now. Even if your family gets broken up, it'd be better than your situation now
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You need to do something.
I don't care what it is, if you call child services, or being the living fuck of the the man, but you need to protect the women in your family.They physically can't protect themselves and have been convinced by your father that it would be WORSE to leave.
It is your responsibility as a member of this family to act now. Sitting complacent hurts your family the same way your fathers hands do.
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Oh my God, this makes me feel bad...and I thought I was having it rough .__. My dad also is the only one in my family with a job, goes early and comes late, but he's totally fine (though he'll get randomly pissed off too).
I know many people who've experienced abuse, but I've never had it myself and I should be thankful for that. Best of luck, and I hope your family can make it through. Perhaps a job of your own would take some pressure off your dad's shoulders.
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CPS can help with housing, food, Medicaid and such. There is usually an adult component to CPS (in some states it only applies to the elderly, in some it is 18+) for abused adults like your mother.
Even if you are gone, your mother and sister are still stuck there. Call and ask for their advice; you can even tell them if he found out he would be pissed and they'll help.
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Feel bad for you gladstone, hope everything goes okay!
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You need to make an educated decision on how to go about getting help for this, at the very least you need to talk to a school counselor and get some good personalized advice. Using social services to help you out is a RESOURCE. If you are interested to know exactly what they do in situations like yours you can google the Department of Health and Services in your state and read how they assess and what they do in different situations. They will NOT remove anyone from the house or seperate a family unless there is a serious imminent risk of injury. What they mostly do is provide counselors and mediators free of charge and work out a plan to fix these problems.
I have close relatives who work in human services in Oregon, so i've seen first hand how much they can help people out.
Read up and make a solid decision on how best to help your sister, mother, and even your dad, I guarantee he isn't doing well either. The most important thing is that you do SOMETHING. Inaction is also a choice, and its not one a responsible person should ever take in a situation like this.
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I think people are underestimating the mother's role in this entire situation.
YPang the only thing you can do is persuade your mother into doing what's best for your sister. Chances are she might be sticking with your father in order to make sure that both you and your sister get the funds you both need for college. At least that's what my mom has been doing for the past 10 or so years.
Assuming you call Child Services, you're still stuck. If anything I would suggest you to tell your mother to act like the perfect obedient Asian woman and do whatever he wants at least until you are out of college. You're not being a pussy. You're taking the only logical way out of this while securing yourself a source of income you can use to take your sister out.
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I'm really sorry to hear this. I wont judge your father, maybe he has so much frustration and pressure or anger, but at the end of the day whats happening is not acceptable. I hope you dont let it affect you too much. Work hard and get independent ASAP. Take care of your sister.. no 10 yr old girl deserves that. ><
gl. seriously.
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On July 13 2010 08:51 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please contact child protective services or at least the counselors at your school. No exaggeration :\, i just simply translated as best as i can from chinese to english. I thought about reporting such things but you know i never get the kick to do it. And even if i got people that tells me to do it, i just can't ...
You need a kick? How about your sister being beaten, abused and having her life ruined?
I know this isn't easy man but wtf, stop this.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
YPang, I think the best thing for you to do is to talk it over with your mother. Your mother holds the keys to the future of your "family".
If you call child services, your mother is unlikely to back you and is likely to just stick to your father because she has no job. That's only gonna cause more rifts in your family. Unless you persuade your mother first, she's not gonna oblige. The chances are minimal really.
Even if she does agree, life is gonna be tougher for you, your mother, and your sister. There's gonna be bumps along the way, and it's not gonna be pretty. I trust that you're old enough to make the right decision along the way. Make good judgments and in the end it'll all be good. Have faith in yourself YPang.
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If i report, there are several things on my mind
1. What will happen to family 2. How am i gonna support myself or my mom/sister 3. what if my dad doesn't get any suspension, things might jsut be worse. 4. and yes i think my mom might bail him out anyways. 5. most importantly, i don't think they will take any person's words for it, i think they need to see physical bruise marks inorder to do anything. I might be wrong. But right now, nobody has bruise marks.
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YPang has your family or relatives tried to convince you this type of family environment is normal in Chinese culture? If so is that one of the reasons you haven't acted?
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DO NOT call child services. that will not make ur life any better, it will just ruin ur life, ur sisters life, and ur mothers life.
here is the only viable, real world solution. first enroll ur sister in some sort of self defense class. then train her in basic weapons, hand 2 hand first, then projectile/ranged. once she has the basics down, u can see if she has the right mentality. get her used to taking punches, dodging attacks, etc. if she is 2 scared, maybe take her on vacation to tailand or a buddist temple or smth, use ur creativity. do this on ur holiday breaks and summer vacation. ur first priority should still be studying university, but a close second is the training of ur 10yo sister. after a few years of this, she should be ready. she is now hit girl, like from the movie kick ass. if ur dad tries touching her she can unleash the beast and be like "u wanna play 2 dad?? u cunt" and kick the shit out of him. this is the only solution that will work imo.
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On July 13 2010 09:25 zulu_nation8 wrote: YPang has your family or relatives tried to convince you this type of family environment is normal in Chinese culture? If so is that one of the reasons you haven't acted? Yes, its "normal" my dad was abused child so he claimed. This is why its happening. But in China i guess this is an okay act.
And yes i do believe my dad knows what he's doing is illegal because he told my sister to lie about her bruises if asked.
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here is the only viable, real world solution. first enroll ur sister in some sort of self defense class. then train her in basic weapons, hand 2 hand first, then projectile/ranged. once she has the basics down, u can see if she has the right mentality. get her used to taking punches, dodging attacks, etc. if she is 2 scared, maybe take her on vacation to tailand or a buddist temple or smth, use ur creativity. do this on ur holiday breaks and summer vacation. ur first priority should still be studying university, but a close second is the training of ur 10yo sister. after a few years of this, she should be ready. she is now hit girl, like from the movie kick ass. if ur dad tries touching her she can unleash the beast and be like "u wanna play 2 dad?? u cunt" and kick the shit out of him. this is the only solution that will work imo.
lmao XD!! ^^
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On July 13 2010 09:19 FragKrag wrote: I think people are underestimating the mother's role in this entire situation.
YPang the only thing you can do is persuade your mother into doing what's best for your sister. Chances are she might be sticking with your father in order to make sure that both you and your sister get the funds you both need for college. At least that's what my mom has been doing for the past 10 or so years.
Assuming you call Child Services, you're still stuck. If anything I would suggest you to tell your mother to act like the perfect obedient Asian woman and do whatever he wants at least until you are out of college. You're not being a pussy. You're taking the only logical way out of this while securing yourself a source of income you can use to take your sister out.
It would be a different story if it was just the 3 of them, but he has a 10 year old sister who's being forced to slap her own face hard, stand in the cellar and lie about her beatings at school.
A steady income and money for college is important and all, but it sure as hell isn't worth going through years of abuse.
In the end, what the mother does is up to her, but he absolutely needs to take care of his sister. It seems as though noone else will.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On July 13 2010 09:24 YPang wrote: If i report, there are several things on my mind
1. What will happen to family 2. How am i gonna support myself or my mom/sister 3. what if my dad doesn't get any suspension, things might jsut be worse. 4. and yes i think my mom might bail him out anyways. 5. most importantly, i don't think they will take any person's words for it, i think they need to see physical bruise marks inorder to do anything. I might be wrong. But right now, nobody has bruise marks. 1) This one's the tough one. Even if you report, your mother is going to lose the most out of all this. As you said, she's a housewife, which means she probably doesn't have the skills necessary in order to sustain a household as well as a child. 2) You can support yourself. Just loan your way through college, with aid of scholarships and stuff. Then go into debt and work on paying it back. Your mother and sister on the other hand might suffer a bit. 3) I believe its your words vs his. They'll most likely take your sister's words since I think they trust children more. 4) Very possible. In fact I think this is the most logical choice for her to be honest. 5) Nah, I think they'll take your word. If not yours, then your sisters.
The problem is if you call, your family is going to be in shambles. The way I see it, it's just a lose lose situation honestly.
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1. I doubt a 'family' exists at this point. Most likely your mother latching onto your father for support. As Roffles said, have a nice long talk with her before you do anything because she is the most obvious barrier to anything you do. If she backs your father everything is a waste of effort.
2. Yeah nobody can answer that. Go through college and work up a lot of debts and work them off is the 'real' man solution, but hardly ideal.
3. He will get suspension, but your mom will back him. Even if she doesn't, it's only a temporary solution and when he comes out he will be fucking angry (take this from me, my father was fucking angry at me after I sent him to jail).
4. That's what mine did. Even after I spent the night trying to convince her not to.
5. dunno
Orome yeah, but the idea is to avoid all contact if at all possible. It's either that or have his family live off of welfare. There is no easy way out since enforcement of divorces is very lax in the US. Chances are that the man will never pay for anything. It's extremely easy to dodge those feels.
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On July 13 2010 09:24 YPang wrote: If i report, there are several things on my mind
1. What will happen to family 2. How am i gonna support myself or my mom/sister 3. what if my dad doesn't get any suspension, things might jsut be worse. 4. and yes i think my mom might bail him out anyways. 5. most importantly, i don't think they will take any person's words for it, i think they need to see physical bruise marks inorder to do anything. I might be wrong. But right now, nobody has bruise marks.
Then talk to your school counsellor first and ask him how you should best approach the situation. But don't just sit there and do nothing about it.
Have you talked with your sister about all of this?
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On July 13 2010 09:27 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:25 zulu_nation8 wrote: YPang has your family or relatives tried to convince you this type of family environment is normal in Chinese culture? If so is that one of the reasons you haven't acted? Yes, its "normal" my dad was abused child so he claimed. This is why its happening. But in China i guess this is an okay act. And yes i do believe my dad knows what he's doing is illegal because he told my sister to lie about her bruises if asked.
You need to have a clear boundary in your head of where Chinese values end and American ones take over. If you think your sister needs help then you need to act.
You don't need to contact the government but you need to find the will to do something.
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Please contact child protective services. Happiness far exceeds money in importance in life, no matter what anyone says. Emotional abuse can severely affect a child, especially a female at 10 years old.
I beg of you, please contact someone to look at your household for the sake of your little sister.
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i will read responses after my run, thank all.
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On July 13 2010 09:02 shieldbreak wrote: I suggest you beat the crap out of that bastard until he thinks twice about doing that shit to you guys. He can't call the cops b/c then you can just tell what he's been doing the whole time. At least NOT this. Idk about the child service because I'm not the expert on that matter. But I totally understand your situation. My dad is pretty much the same (verbally). Luckily I never was physically abused.
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This is quite a common problem in a lot of families, but this is one of the worst that I've ever heard of. Firstly, it has nothing to do with the sausages at all. The reason why a lot of fathers get angry is because of the tremendous amount of stress they face at work. School stress is nothing compared to work stress. At work, a lot rests on your shoulders, your boss is constantly verbally abusing you, etc, but the worst part is you have to suck it all up. This causes an extremely unhealthy emotional buildup. Your father takes his anger on your family because they're the only ones he can do it out on. He expresses his anger to you because he wants you to understand how bad it is for him, and how he has to go through hell just to put a roof over your head and food in your stomach. It's extremely frustrating to a father when his family does not repay him, or at least appreciate him for all he does. The absolute worst nightmare for a father is to put in every ounce of blood and sweat to raise a family, and not get the results desired. Your father does not want you, your sister, or your mother to be hurt. Every father wants a loving family, but not every father can put himself against his emotions to make a loving family. I guess your father is one of the many that can only use sheer anger to express how he feels.
To make things better, firstly you shouldn't lash back at him or call social services. That makes things much worse for you father and much worse for your family. What you need to do is to demonstrate to your father in some way that you understand everything that he goes through in order to put a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs, and you will try your best to make him proud. This may be one of the hardest things to do in your life. I for one, did not pull the courage to do such a thing to a man I was afraid of. I just tried a bit harder in school just so my father was a bit more content and also to grind it out until I moved out. You also have a sister on the line as well, maybe that's something to consider. Whatever you do, I would advise against calling social services or lashing back at him, unless it's the absolute last thing.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do. A lot rests on your shoulders right now. Report back to us whenever you feel the need.
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Us white kids have it so easy. My dad once high five'd me for stealing a pack of gum.
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On July 13 2010 09:27 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:25 zulu_nation8 wrote: YPang has your family or relatives tried to convince you this type of family environment is normal in Chinese culture? If so is that one of the reasons you haven't acted? Yes, its "normal" my dad was abused child so he claimed. This is why its happening. But in China i guess this is an okay act. And yes i do believe my dad knows what he's doing is illegal because he told my sister to lie about her bruises if asked. my chinese friend is the same way. shitty childhood, forced to study unreasonable hours, was probably beaten, never told he was loved, etc., and now he does the same shit. he is a control freak, he will insult my intelligence, make threats, rage about dumb shit, and he will never apologize. im barely putting up with it, but for now i must.
i think you should start defending your sister. your mother is perfectly fine being obedient to the shit that goes on, so my personal opinion is to not give too much of a fuck what happens to her - but your sister is helpless.
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On July 13 2010 09:19 FragKrag wrote:
Assuming you call Child Services, you're still stuck. If anything I would suggest you to tell your mother to act like the perfect obedient Asian woman and do whatever he wants at least until you are out of college. You're not being a pussy. You're taking the only logical way out of this while securing yourself a source of income you can use to take your sister out.
Sorry, but this is an absolutely disastrous idea...Its not possible for a human to "just stick it out and shut up" and avoid conflict for four years while you are at college. It sounds like a great compromise but jesus, I have seen this tried so many times.
1. It sounds like the situation is already deteriorating between the parents, it is not physically or emotionally possible to just ignore this for 4 years, if it has escalated over 10 years, it will continue to escalate.
2. Acting like "the perfect obedient Asian woman" will not pacify or avoid conflict, I guarantee your dad will find something to complain and become enraged about, and even if your mother COMPLETELY avoids any reponse to it, the atmosphere and relationship will become like a fucking toxic gas.
3. IT WILL FUCK YOUR SISTER UP. FUCK HER UP MAJORLY. Living with two parents who are constantly in conflict and hate and disrespect each other will cause your sister to develop serious emotional and relational problems. No matter how much you think people can just "tough it out" and be unaffected, its just not true. I have seen SO MANY people who are unable to live happy lives and are stuck with all kinds of terrible relationship problems because of living in environments like this. I'm sure your sister is a strong person, but she isn't magic. If you leave her in this deteriorating situation for (at minimum) 4 years, she will be effected. Haven't you heard LoveLine for gods sake? EVERY SINGLE PERSON calling up with major psychological problems grew up in an abusive home like this. Its not a fucking coincidence.
Yes, money IS a serious concern, but there are thing more important. One of them is not potentially ruining the rest of your sisters life with emotional issues. Everyone in contact with this situation is negatively effected, your mom is effected, your dad is effected, your sister is effected, YOU are effected. Nobody escapes. Now you need to do you best to minimize further harm.
Money is one factor, PLEASE weigh the others just as importantly.
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My mom and dad have been living in the same house and haven't said a word to each other in like 2 years. I just kind of ignore it, lol.
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On July 13 2010 09:37 Chairman Ray wrote: This is quite a common problem in a lot of families, but this is one of the worst that I've ever heard of. Firstly, it has nothing to do with the sausages at all. The reason why a lot of fathers get angry is because of the tremendous amount of stress they face at work. School stress is nothing compared to work stress. At work, a lot rests on your shoulders, your boss is constantly verbally abusing you, etc, but the worst part is you have to suck it all up. This causes an extremely unhealthy emotional buildup. Your father takes his anger on your family because they're the only ones he can do it out on. He expresses his anger to you because he wants you to understand how bad it is for him, and how he has to go through hell just to put a roof over your head and food in your stomach. It's extremely frustrating to a father when his family does not repay him, or at least appreciate him for all he does. The absolute worst nightmare for a father is to put in every ounce of blood and sweat to raise a family, and not get the results desired. Your father does not want you, your sister, or your mother to be hurt. Every father wants a loving family, but not every father can put himself against his emotions to make a loving family. I guess your father is one of the many that can only use sheer anger to express how he feels.
To make things better, firstly you shouldn't lash back at him or call social services. That makes things much worse for you father and much worse for your family. What you need to do is to demonstrate to your father in some way that you understand everything that he goes through in order to put a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs, and you will try your best to make him proud. This may be one of the hardest things to do in your life. I for one, did not pull the courage to do such a thing to a man I was afraid of. I just tried a bit harder in school just so my father was a bit more content and also to grind it out until I moved out. You also have a sister on the line as well, maybe that's something to consider. Whatever you do, I would advise against calling social services or lashing back at him, unless it's the absolute last thing.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do. A lot rests on your shoulders right now. Report back to us whenever you feel the need.
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On July 13 2010 09:37 Chairman Ray wrote: This is quite a common problem in a lot of families, but this is one of the worst that I've ever heard of. Firstly, it has nothing to do with the sausages at all. The reason why a lot of fathers get angry is because of the tremendous amount of stress they face at work. School stress is nothing compared to work stress. At work, a lot rests on your shoulders, your boss is constantly verbally abusing you, etc, but the worst part is you have to suck it all up. This causes an extremely unhealthy emotional buildup. Your father takes his anger on your family because they're the only ones he can do it out on. He expresses his anger to you because he wants you to understand how bad it is for him, and how he has to go through hell just to put a roof over your head and food in your stomach. It's extremely frustrating to a father when his family does not repay him, or at least appreciate him for all he does. The absolute worst nightmare for a father is to put in every ounce of blood and sweat to raise a family, and not get the results desired. Your father does not want you, your sister, or your mother to be hurt. Every father wants a loving family, but not every father can put himself against his emotions to make a loving family. I guess your father is one of the many that can only use sheer anger to express how he feels.
To make things better, firstly you shouldn't lash back at him or call social services. That makes things much worse for you father and much worse for your family. What you need to do is to demonstrate to your father in some way that you understand everything that he goes through in order to put a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs, and you will try your best to make him proud. This may be one of the hardest things to do in your life. I for one, did not pull the courage to do such a thing to a man I was afraid of. I just tried a bit harder in school just so my father was a bit more content and also to grind it out until I moved out. You also have a sister on the line as well, maybe that's something to consider. Whatever you do, I would advise against calling social services or lashing back at him, unless it's the absolute last thing.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do. A lot rests on your shoulders right now. Report back to us whenever you feel the need. YPang, I strongly recommend you read this post. I think it sheds light on the situation in general and really makes you think about what might be causing all of this.
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On July 13 2010 09:43 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:19 FragKrag wrote:
Assuming you call Child Services, you're still stuck. If anything I would suggest you to tell your mother to act like the perfect obedient Asian woman and do whatever he wants at least until you are out of college. You're not being a pussy. You're taking the only logical way out of this while securing yourself a source of income you can use to take your sister out. Sorry, but this is an absolutely disastrous idea...Its not possible for a human to "just stick it out and shut up" and avoid conflict for four years while you are at college. It sounds like a great compromise but jesus, I have seen this tried so many times. 1. It sounds like the situation is already deteriorating between the parents, it is not physically or emotionally possible to just ignore this for 4 years, if it has escalated over 10 years, it will continue to escalate. 2. Acting like "the perfect obedient Asian woman" will not pacify or avoid conflict, I guarantee your dad will find something to complain and become enraged about, and even if your mother COMPLETELY avoids any reponse to it, the atmosphere and relationship will become like a fucking toxic gas. 3. IT WILL FUCK YOUR SISTER UP. FUCK HER UP MAJORLY. Living with two parents who are constantly in conflict and hate and disrespect each other will cause your sister to develop serious emotional and relational problems. No matter how much you think people can just "tough it out" and be unaffected, its just not true. I have seen SO MANY people who are unable to live happy lives and are stuck with all kinds of terrible relationship problems because of living in environments like this. I'm sure your sister is a strong person, but she isn't magic. If you leave her in this deteriorating situation for (at minimum) 4 years, she will be effected. Haven't you heard LoveLine for gods sake? EVERY SINGLE PERSON calling up with major psychological problems grew up in an abusive home like this. Its not a fucking coincidence. Yes, money IS a serious concern, but there are thing more important. One of them is not potentially ruining the rest of your sisters life with emotional issues. Everyone in contact with this situation is negatively effected, your mom is effected, your dad is effected, your sister is effected, YOU are effected. Nobody escapes. Now you need to do you best to minimize further harm. Money is one factor, PLEASE weigh the others just as importantly. While you're right that money is one factor, you really have to consider the entire situation as a whole. Sure, YPang can care for himself now that's he's old enough to care for himself, but he's got a 10 year old sister. TEN YEAR OLD SISTER. What's going to happen to her if he calls Child Services? His sister doesn't stand to gain ANYTHING. No college, living off government shit for the next 8 years. Chances at college? Very minimal. Think about her life. I'm not saying she should get beat for the next 8 years, but I really do think that if he makes that call, somehow breaks the family apart, his sister loses the most. Her life is most likely going to shit if he makes that call.
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On July 13 2010 09:37 Chairman Ray wrote: The reason why a lot of fathers get angry is because of the tremendous amount of stress they face at work.
Is this just your own theory? I doubt very much that this is the cause for the majority of dysfunctional families.
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roffles, you honestly believe his sister will have it worse? jesus, there are worse things than no college money.
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On July 13 2010 09:46 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:37 Chairman Ray wrote: This is quite a common problem in a lot of families, but this is one of the worst that I've ever heard of. Firstly, it has nothing to do with the sausages at all. The reason why a lot of fathers get angry is because of the tremendous amount of stress they face at work. School stress is nothing compared to work stress. At work, a lot rests on your shoulders, your boss is constantly verbally abusing you, etc, but the worst part is you have to suck it all up. This causes an extremely unhealthy emotional buildup. Your father takes his anger on your family because they're the only ones he can do it out on. He expresses his anger to you because he wants you to understand how bad it is for him, and how he has to go through hell just to put a roof over your head and food in your stomach. It's extremely frustrating to a father when his family does not repay him, or at least appreciate him for all he does. The absolute worst nightmare for a father is to put in every ounce of blood and sweat to raise a family, and not get the results desired. Your father does not want you, your sister, or your mother to be hurt. Every father wants a loving family, but not every father can put himself against his emotions to make a loving family. I guess your father is one of the many that can only use sheer anger to express how he feels.
To make things better, firstly you shouldn't lash back at him or call social services. That makes things much worse for you father and much worse for your family. What you need to do is to demonstrate to your father in some way that you understand everything that he goes through in order to put a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs, and you will try your best to make him proud. This may be one of the hardest things to do in your life. I for one, did not pull the courage to do such a thing to a man I was afraid of. I just tried a bit harder in school just so my father was a bit more content and also to grind it out until I moved out. You also have a sister on the line as well, maybe that's something to consider. Whatever you do, I would advise against calling social services or lashing back at him, unless it's the absolute last thing.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do. A lot rests on your shoulders right now. Report back to us whenever you feel the need. YPang, I strongly recommend you read this post. I think it sheds light on the situation in general and really makes you think about what might be causing all of this. What? What dictates "absolute last thing"?
Few month ago, my sister's face was red with bruises, and was made to lie to teachers and students saying that it was just a rash. And she is often kicked not sure about the strength of kick, but definitly enough to get her to be on her butt. If the above doesn't dictate child services, then that entire paragraph of advice is useless. The girl is getting fucking beat on her face, I think several gigantic lines have been crossed.
Honestly, it'd be good advice if the dad was stressed out and was verbally abusive and you can try it out, but when you start beating people hard, there's problems. What he takes it too far one day? Kills her or does serious damage to her? It's ridiculous not to call child services, whatever the reason for his stress.
Also, if this is fake :/
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I'm not sure if it's a viable, helpful or realistic option, but I guess it won't hurt to throw it out there. If you've got a strong bark, there no reason to bite right? Talk to your mother and sister separately, let them know that together you've made a choice to stand up to your father. He seems very old fashioned, but you're living in the states now and he needs to change. Be confident and make a threat, tell him that if he can't be more considerate about his family and appreciate those around him, then let him know that you've got leverage too, that: you, your sister, and your mother will and might consider leaving.
Make him realize that he needs his family more than they need him. Let him know that the laws differ from the old traditional Chinese ways of thinking, and that if anything, convince him that CPS will destroy him. Chinese are a very prideful race, how will he face his relatives who will judge him if his wife and children leave him. CPS is just as, if not more detrimental to his pride than anything. Even if it's your father, don't let anyone mistreat you or anyone you care for. Hope your future brightens up, keep positive, because everything improves with the passing of time.
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On July 13 2010 09:54 Orome wrote: roffles, you honestly believe his sister will have it worse? jesus, there are worse things than no college money. Yes, if you think about it logically, his sister will be living off government shit for the next 8 years, as opposed to YPang, who is 19 and in college on loans and debt.
One is old enough to understand what is going on, one is not. She might not even have the chance to go to college, simply due to the lack of funding that her mother can provide her. How is her life going to be better than YPangs?
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On July 13 2010 09:54 Count9 wrote:
If the above doesn't dictate child services, then that entire paragraph of advice is useless. The girl is getting fucking beat on her face, I think several gigantic lines have been crossed.
Honestly, it'd be good advice if the dad was stressed out and was verbally abusive and you can try it out, but when you start beating people hard and making your son hit his sister, there's problems. What he takes it too far one day? Kills her or does serious damage to her? It's ridiculous not to call child services, whatever the reason for his stress.
wait so just to make sure, she's told to slap herself? 掌嘴?
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On July 13 2010 10:03 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:54 Count9 wrote:
If the above doesn't dictate child services, then that entire paragraph of advice is useless. The girl is getting fucking beat on her face, I think several gigantic lines have been crossed.
Honestly, it'd be good advice if the dad was stressed out and was verbally abusive and you can try it out, but when you start beating people hard and making your son hit his sister, there's problems. What he takes it too far one day? Kills her or does serious damage to her? It's ridiculous not to call child services, whatever the reason for his stress.
wait so just to make sure, she's told to slap herself? 掌嘴? Ah, misread, edited.
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On July 13 2010 10:00 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:54 Orome wrote: roffles, you honestly believe his sister will have it worse? jesus, there are worse things than no college money. Yes, if you think about it logically, his sister will be living off government shit for the next 8 years, as opposed to YPang, who is 19 and in college on loans and debt. One is old enough to understand what is going on, one is not. She might not even have the chance to go to college, simply due to the lack of funding that her mother can provide her. How is her life going to be better than YPangs?
Tbh I'm just really confused now. You really find having college money in 8 years more important than stopping abuse that's happening right now? I guess we've just got uh... different priorities...
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Damn Asian parents..
My dad was worse. He was a violent alcoholic, but my mom was brave enough to get that shit out of mine and my sisters' lives. I think it was the best decision ever.
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It sounds like your dad is an asshole. I am sure there's good reasons for this. Treat your sister kindly and help her be a good person who loves herself. It won't be long before you and her are no longer living in that home. Be kind to your mother as well. I am sure you are but I am just saying you don't need to worry about much else other than this, as long as everyone has their wellbeing.
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dude, i dunno if this has been said or not, but you gotta keep in touch with your sister regularly. counsel her and keep her spirits up (you probably already do this...). the things your dad does to her, like making her slap herself, are VERY psychologically damaging for a young girl. it's up to you to keep her mentally healthy and strong for the next 7 years.
edit: people who say this is normal for asian families, get educated you dumbass. not all asian families are nazi concentration camps. asian parents are strict, and it really really sucks going through your teenage years with them, but this goes way past the line.
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On July 13 2010 09:37 Chairman Ray wrote: This is quite a common problem in a lot of families, but this is one of the worst that I've ever heard of. Firstly, it has nothing to do with the sausages at all. The reason why a lot of fathers get angry is because of the tremendous amount of stress they face at work. School stress is nothing compared to work stress. At work, a lot rests on your shoulders, your boss is constantly verbally abusing you, etc, but the worst part is you have to suck it all up. This causes an extremely unhealthy emotional buildup. Your father takes his anger on your family because they're the only ones he can do it out on. He expresses his anger to you because he wants you to understand how bad it is for him, and how he has to go through hell just to put a roof over your head and food in your stomach. It's extremely frustrating to a father when his family does not repay him, or at least appreciate him for all he does. The absolute worst nightmare for a father is to put in every ounce of blood and sweat to raise a family, and not get the results desired. Your father does not want you, your sister, or your mother to be hurt. Every father wants a loving family, but not every father can put himself against his emotions to make a loving family. I guess your father is one of the many that can only use sheer anger to express how he feels.
To make things better, firstly you shouldn't lash back at him or call social services. That makes things much worse for you father and much worse for your family. What you need to do is to demonstrate to your father in some way that you understand everything that he goes through in order to put a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs, and you will try your best to make him proud. This may be one of the hardest things to do in your life. I for one, did not pull the courage to do such a thing to a man I was afraid of. I just tried a bit harder in school just so my father was a bit more content and also to grind it out until I moved out. You also have a sister on the line as well, maybe that's something to consider. Whatever you do, I would advise against calling social services or lashing back at him, unless it's the absolute last thing.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do. A lot rests on your shoulders right now. Report back to us whenever you feel the need.
erg , this could be the "reason" behind your father's behavior, but It's not going to help you.
The absolute worst nightmare for a father is to put in every ounce of blood and sweat to raise a family, and not get the results desired
This is the part I believe, at least in my family my father worked his ass off and then ended up loosing his job and falling out with my mother. He was incredibly (understandable) crushed and angered to see all of his life "coming to nothing", he hasn't achieved what he set out to do.
His response to this, lashing out in anger at his family is terrible and entirely his fault. While i do feel bad that he doesn't feel good about himself, there is nothing I can do to help him at this point (believe me i've tried). I see so many people desperately trying to "make my father proud" like some storybook that will magically make him content and stop being an abusive ass. It never works, the problem is not with you, its with him, and ultimately only he can fix it.
I guess your father is one of the many that can only use sheer anger to express how he feels.
NO, he is one of the many who DOES only use sheer anger to express how he feels. Its like a terrible feedback loop, he becomes depressed and angry at his life and situation, lets out this emotion on his family which further degrades the situation which only serves to make him even more pissed off. Its HIS problem that he needs to find a constructive outlet for his emotion and actually work on improving the situation instead of throwing a fit. You are going to college and I'm guessing are a pretty successful guy, and yet he is still demeaning and abusive towards you. This is because YOU are not the source of his problems, HE is. They are fucking difficult problems but until he learns to confront he (and everyone around him) will suffer terribly. I feel absolutely terrible for my dad, its a sad, sad story, but I have to remember that I can't blame myself. If you get straight A's in college or something he will be happy for a while...but this is only a distraction from his real personal issues, and he will go right back to his old angry self within the week.
I don't know your fathers personal situation, Its up to you to decide how you can best help him confront and hopefully fix his issues. Just always remember that its not you "causing" his anger by some disappointed, you just happened to be available when he vents all of his pent up emotion on whatever bad thing you did. You may not even be able to help him.
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On July 13 2010 10:06 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:00 Roffles wrote:On July 13 2010 09:54 Orome wrote: roffles, you honestly believe his sister will have it worse? jesus, there are worse things than no college money. Yes, if you think about it logically, his sister will be living off government shit for the next 8 years, as opposed to YPang, who is 19 and in college on loans and debt. One is old enough to understand what is going on, one is not. She might not even have the chance to go to college, simply due to the lack of funding that her mother can provide her. How is her life going to be better than YPangs? Tbh I'm just really confused now. You really find having college money in 8 years more important than stopping abuse that's happening right now? I guess we've just got uh... different priorities... Sadly, I believe that the future success of his sister is worth 8 years of hellish suffering. Who knows what will happen if she gets placed into government care. 8 years of guaranteed suffering vs maybe a lifetime of suffering?
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On July 13 2010 09:37 Chairman Ray wrote: To make things better, firstly you shouldn't lash back at him or call social services. That makes things much worse for you father and much worse for your family. What you need to do is to demonstrate to your father in some way that you understand everything that he goes through in order to put a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs, and you will try your best to make him proud. This may be one of the hardest things to do in your life. I for one, did not pull the courage to do such a thing to a man I was afraid of. I just tried a bit harder in school just so my father was a bit more content and also to grind it out until I moved out. You also have a sister on the line as well, maybe that's something to consider. Whatever you do, I would advise against calling social services or lashing back at him, unless it's the absolute last thing.
this imo
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girls are weaker than men, both phsyically and psychologically. if you dad continues she's gonna end up pretty messed up.
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On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school.
WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues.
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Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart.
I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again.
Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha:
1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____.
2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father.
3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you.
4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.)
And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong 
Gooooood luck.
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On July 13 2010 09:50 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:43 sob3k wrote:On July 13 2010 09:19 FragKrag wrote:
Assuming you call Child Services, you're still stuck. If anything I would suggest you to tell your mother to act like the perfect obedient Asian woman and do whatever he wants at least until you are out of college. You're not being a pussy. You're taking the only logical way out of this while securing yourself a source of income you can use to take your sister out. Sorry, but this is an absolutely disastrous idea...Its not possible for a human to "just stick it out and shut up" and avoid conflict for four years while you are at college. It sounds like a great compromise but jesus, I have seen this tried so many times. 1. It sounds like the situation is already deteriorating between the parents, it is not physically or emotionally possible to just ignore this for 4 years, if it has escalated over 10 years, it will continue to escalate. 2. Acting like "the perfect obedient Asian woman" will not pacify or avoid conflict, I guarantee your dad will find something to complain and become enraged about, and even if your mother COMPLETELY avoids any reponse to it, the atmosphere and relationship will become like a fucking toxic gas. 3. IT WILL FUCK YOUR SISTER UP. FUCK HER UP MAJORLY. Living with two parents who are constantly in conflict and hate and disrespect each other will cause your sister to develop serious emotional and relational problems. No matter how much you think people can just "tough it out" and be unaffected, its just not true. I have seen SO MANY people who are unable to live happy lives and are stuck with all kinds of terrible relationship problems because of living in environments like this. I'm sure your sister is a strong person, but she isn't magic. If you leave her in this deteriorating situation for (at minimum) 4 years, she will be effected. Haven't you heard LoveLine for gods sake? EVERY SINGLE PERSON calling up with major psychological problems grew up in an abusive home like this. Its not a fucking coincidence. Yes, money IS a serious concern, but there are thing more important. One of them is not potentially ruining the rest of your sisters life with emotional issues. Everyone in contact with this situation is negatively effected, your mom is effected, your dad is effected, your sister is effected, YOU are effected. Nobody escapes. Now you need to do you best to minimize further harm. Money is one factor, PLEASE weigh the others just as importantly. While you're right that money is one factor, you really have to consider the entire situation as a whole. Sure, YPang can care for himself now that's he's old enough to care for himself, but he's got a 10 year old sister. TEN YEAR OLD SISTER. What's going to happen to her if he calls Child Services? His sister doesn't stand to gain ANYTHING. No college, living off government shit for the next 8 years. Chances at college? Very minimal. Think about her life. I'm not saying she should get beat for the next 8 years, but I really do think that if he makes that call, somehow breaks the family apart, his sister loses the most. Her life is most likely going to shit if he makes that call.
I still don't know why people are operating under the idea that you call Child Services and they instantly take the kids to an orphanage and set up a restraining order between the parents.
Please take some time to google how DHS responds to these situations. They interview all the family members and the kids, then they come up with a counseling plan/program and potentially some progress visits. Taking kids away and breaking up families is THE ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT in cases of extreme neglect or risk of serious physical injury. They NEVER want to have to do this because they KNOW it destroys families and makes the situation worse.
Unless your dad is carrying around a baseball bat or hasn't fed your sister in weeks you really don't have anything NEAR that to worry about....again, I encourage you to read how they assess and react to different situations...its all online.
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On July 13 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school. WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues. ------------- To the poster: Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart. I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again. Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha: 1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____. 2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father. 3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you. 4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.) And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong  Gooooood luck.
Counselors provide an ear and a different perspective, i don't know what the fuck your problem is.
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Man, I don't even know anymore. Maybe you guys don't have a little sister, but I've never had an abuse parent so I guess I don't know. I've always thought if anyone hit her I'd beat the shit out of them somehow and reading that about the 10 yr old betting bruises on her face and shit is so enraging.
So I guess I'll ask you guys who have experience, what is the last straw? I mean, there's got to be a line before serious hospitalizing injury where doctors step in right? I mean, you guys all talk about it. You all say don't call Child Services except as a last resort but no one really explains what triggers that.
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so i finally read this, and you need to do something about your sister, if your mom is too.. dellusional? i guess to do something, then YOU need to help your sister out, it seems like you're doing alright in terms of emotional status. the part where he puts your sister in the basement and locks her down there, and you having to sneak food in there? what the fuck is that man please have micronesia do something about this. you seriously need to punch your father in the face multiple times btw.
edit: i don't know how but you NEED to find a way to take care of your sister, it seriously hurts me that a 10 year old kid is growing up with this bullshit
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On July 13 2010 10:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school. WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues. ------------- To the poster: Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart. I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again. Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha: 1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____. 2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father. 3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you. 4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.) And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong  Gooooood luck. Counselors provide an ear and a different perspective, i don't know what the fuck your problem is.
My problem is that I experience things that YPang experiences, while you clearly don't if you write a one sentence reply suggesting counselors.
Counselors won't do shit. Period. We don't need their fucking ears or different perspectives for $$$. End of story. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be BM, sorry if I offended you.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On July 13 2010 10:26 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:50 Roffles wrote:On July 13 2010 09:43 sob3k wrote:On July 13 2010 09:19 FragKrag wrote:
Assuming you call Child Services, you're still stuck. If anything I would suggest you to tell your mother to act like the perfect obedient Asian woman and do whatever he wants at least until you are out of college. You're not being a pussy. You're taking the only logical way out of this while securing yourself a source of income you can use to take your sister out. Sorry, but this is an absolutely disastrous idea...Its not possible for a human to "just stick it out and shut up" and avoid conflict for four years while you are at college. It sounds like a great compromise but jesus, I have seen this tried so many times. 1. It sounds like the situation is already deteriorating between the parents, it is not physically or emotionally possible to just ignore this for 4 years, if it has escalated over 10 years, it will continue to escalate. 2. Acting like "the perfect obedient Asian woman" will not pacify or avoid conflict, I guarantee your dad will find something to complain and become enraged about, and even if your mother COMPLETELY avoids any reponse to it, the atmosphere and relationship will become like a fucking toxic gas. 3. IT WILL FUCK YOUR SISTER UP. FUCK HER UP MAJORLY. Living with two parents who are constantly in conflict and hate and disrespect each other will cause your sister to develop serious emotional and relational problems. No matter how much you think people can just "tough it out" and be unaffected, its just not true. I have seen SO MANY people who are unable to live happy lives and are stuck with all kinds of terrible relationship problems because of living in environments like this. I'm sure your sister is a strong person, but she isn't magic. If you leave her in this deteriorating situation for (at minimum) 4 years, she will be effected. Haven't you heard LoveLine for gods sake? EVERY SINGLE PERSON calling up with major psychological problems grew up in an abusive home like this. Its not a fucking coincidence. Yes, money IS a serious concern, but there are thing more important. One of them is not potentially ruining the rest of your sisters life with emotional issues. Everyone in contact with this situation is negatively effected, your mom is effected, your dad is effected, your sister is effected, YOU are effected. Nobody escapes. Now you need to do you best to minimize further harm. Money is one factor, PLEASE weigh the others just as importantly. While you're right that money is one factor, you really have to consider the entire situation as a whole. Sure, YPang can care for himself now that's he's old enough to care for himself, but he's got a 10 year old sister. TEN YEAR OLD SISTER. What's going to happen to her if he calls Child Services? His sister doesn't stand to gain ANYTHING. No college, living off government shit for the next 8 years. Chances at college? Very minimal. Think about her life. I'm not saying she should get beat for the next 8 years, but I really do think that if he makes that call, somehow breaks the family apart, his sister loses the most. Her life is most likely going to shit if he makes that call. I still don't know why people are operating under the idea that you call Child Services and they instantly take the kids to an orphanage and set up a restraining order between the parents. Please take some time to google how DHS responds to these situations. They interview all the family members and the kids, then they come up with a counseling plan/program and potentially some progress visits. Taking kids away and breaking up families is THE ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT in cases of extreme neglect or risk of serious physical injury. They NEVER want to have to do this because they KNOW it destroys families and makes the situation worse. Unless your dad is carrying around a baseball bat or hasn't fed your sister in weeks you really don't have anything NEAR that to worry about....again, I encourage you to read how they assess and react to different situations...its all online. I've had a first hand experience. Yes, it's not just a call --> take him away thing, but you do have to realize that once you make that phone call, he's gonna be fucking pissed. And the more pissed he is, the more his family is going to suffer. He might not show it when social workers come to inspect the house, but his family is going to fucking get it sooner or later.
There's little chance that his sister lives away from his mother, but you realize that in a situation like this, I don't see how his dad is going to react in a good way to him calling social services.
I might be speaking from a biased cultural perspective though.
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do not call soical services unless someone is in danger. you do not want those people in your life unless you abosultey need them. good luck. Id say more but ChairmanRay hit the nail on the head
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Your father is a coward.
I can offer no advice other than to do what feels right.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I'm not saying he shouldn't call CPS, but rather he should talk to his mother first, then make that phone call if needed. CPS can help if both parties are willing to cooperate and shit. From the sounds of this situation, I don't know if his father is going to be willing to take part in any cooperation whatsoever.
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On July 13 2010 09:44 whitelynx wrote: My mom and dad have been living in the same house and haven't said a word to each other in like 2 years. I just kind of ignore it, lol.
My household was like this for 2 years 3 months..except for the occasional fight..it was awful .
Also, why do yall assume that having the sister leave and living with her mother means no college money? If anything financial aid will pay boatloads (my little sis lives my mom thats how I know) of money, not counting academic scholarships and whatnot. There is always a way to pay for college...
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I am quite amazed at the number of assholes dads from reading this thread.
I feel lucky.
I honestly have no idea what the correct option is. Are social services really the lesser of two evil? I wish I could help but I can't, sorry T_T
Edit: anyone would want to make a poll to contain all the data...I'd do it but I don't think I can think of all the options for said Poll
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On July 13 2010 10:32 johnlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 13 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school. WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues. ------------- To the poster: Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart. I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again. Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha: 1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____. 2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father. 3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you. 4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.) And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong  Gooooood luck. Counselors provide an ear and a different perspective, i don't know what the fuck your problem is. My problem is that I experience things that YPang experiences, while you clearly don't if you write a one sentence reply suggesting counselors. Counselors won't do shit. Period. We don't need their fucking ears or different perspectives for $$$. End of story. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be BM, sorry if I offended you.
Yeah, I've never heard of counseling or psychiatric help every being of assistance to anyone in this situation....I hear the best route is to just pull yourself up by your own bootstraps....
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I haven't read every single post in this thread but my advice is to get outside/government protection ASAP before one day you realise your dad has beaten your sister or mother to death. Abuse like this shit always end up with a murder. Here are just some examples from my own country that started with beatings, slappings, then eventually weapons and torture. And who knows, maybe one day it'll be your mum who breaks and stabs your dad through the heart. Or your sister might commit suicide. Sorry to be harsh but if any of this shit happens your dad is guilty but you are also responsible by omission:
+ Show Spoiler +13D Frank St was a mess when police began their investigation.
Bourbon boxes, pizza cartons and kids' shoes had been chucked through a hole in a broken ponga fence where the Rotorua rental property backed on to a reserve.
Empty bottles littered the ground inside the fence, and out the back of the small three-bedroom house in the low-income neighbourhood of Koutu was a table with broken legs and a baseball bat leaning against the wall.
Inside, a bowl of half-eaten noodles was on a table.
This was the scene of the crime; the mess the aftermath of a 21st party which raged one Saturday afternoon and night with loud music and brawls while a battered, malnourished little girl lay dying.
You'd need a Big Brother camera to get across the horror of the last days of Nia Glassie's miserably short life.
Failing Big Brother, child witnesses in the trial of who killed Nia, who assaulted her and who neglected her the most, probably told it best.
The children's identities were suppressed but what they said in court was hard to listen to.
They sometimes mixed up what happened when and ran incidents of abuse together. It didn't matter. What came out loud and clear was the nature of the abuse that went on and on, usually when Nia's mother was at work, but sometimes when she was there.
What was done to Nia was callous and violent, perpetrated by a group of no-hopers who lived and partied together, who smoked pot together and who for one reason or another didn't like the little girl they failed to protect.
Nia Maria Glassie was three. They thought she was ugly.
In court, via a television screen, a little girl says: They were kicking her to the couch.
Who?
Wiremu and Michael.
What with?
With their feet.
They kicked Nia in the head, and she points to the front of her head.
How many times?
Three times.
Then what happened?
She was falling asleep.
How hard was the kick?
Hard as a rock.
Wiremu put her to bed.
Sometimes Nia would bleed but they don't care about it. They just keep on smashing her, she says.
They put her in the corner and they kick her to the wall and she gets bumps on her head.
The worst thing, in this child's mind, was when Michael Curtis lifted Nia to the ceiling by her neck and her hips and when she touched the ceiling, he let her go.
This interview, and that of another child, was recorded when Nia was alive, though barely so.
She was in hospital, on a ventilator. Her brain injury, left untreated for 36 hours, was so severe parts of her brain tissue had died.
Another child tells how they spun Nia on the clothesline as fast as they could. Her voice is soft and shy.
They put her into the drier, too, she says.
The drier is in court. A Simpson with a small round door, 28cm in diameter.
Next to it, a tiny pink T-shirt with the words "Miss Cutie".
This is the T-shirt Nia was wearing when, finally, she was taken to hospital.
Who did this, a kindly woman asks the girl, about the drier.
Wiremu and Michael Curtis, she says. But it was Michael Pearson's idea.
She said to Michael Pearson, don't do it.
Why did you say this, asks the woman.
Because she's just a little kid, says the girl.
Michael Pearson told her to shut up.
We listen in appalled silence.
The defendants don't look appalled. Perhaps they're bored. Though, sometimes in court they laughed and whispered and often they tried to stare down the reporters covering the trial.
It was hard to read the stares, but certainly there was challenge in those largely blank eyes; even in court it seemed they were making lame attempts to be menacing.
That was until they listened to each other's statements as told to police when it happened, when they were all so quick to blame each other.
Then their body language changed dramatically and the main offenders, the Curtis brothers, had to be separated by guards.
The woman asks the second girl more about the clothes drier.
You turn it right up, replies the girl, and it gets hot then it dries your clothes.
Nia was screaming, she says, so they put her on the clothesline and they spinned her as fast as they could so she could fall off.
She did fall off, the little girl says. Three times. On her head.
They put Nia in the drier like "a ball", the girl says.
They turned the switch, the one with lots of numbers on it, up too high and Nia kicked the door open but they just put her legs back in.
They were laughing but this little girl didn't think it was funny.
The clothesline and the drier were on different days, and they were not what killed Nia. The kicks to the head killed her.
The girl also told how "they" shoved her in the sandpit and threw a basketball at her. But first they'd taken her jeans and undies off her and they'd pushed her in the sandpit on her bottom.
She was crying loud so they turned up the radio so the neighbours didn't hear. Then they watched DVDs and got some vegetables ready for Michael Curtis' 21st party.
When Lisa Kuka, Nia's mum, came home from work, around Shortland Street, she and this girl went out leaving the Curtis brothers, Nia and another child in the house.
Nia was all right when they left, but when they came back she was floppy and wouldn't wake up.
Nia "slept" the rest of Friday and all of Saturday and Sunday.
Both children told of wrestling moves the grown-ups got off the PlayStation 2 - which Wiremu had stolen - that they saw performed on Nia.
These moves are hard to envisage. If you don't have a PlayStation take a look at YouTube and type Smackdown! v Raw in the search bar. Then imagine adults doing this to a 3-year-old.
The children were cross-examined. They were sitting in a room next to the courtroom and their words and images came to the trial through a TV screen.
Five defence lawyers and the Crown questioned them and one of the defence lawyers suggested the wrestling was "funsies" that got a bit too hard. The jury obviously didn't agree.
Nia was a second-class citizen in that house. When it didn't make them angry and get her another hiding, they seemed to take pleasure in her crying.
One of the defendants told how she would sometimes whimper instead of crying because she knew if she cried she would get something else.
In New Zealand's long list of child abuse cases, children are often killed when a carer snaps in anger.
These ones were mean and violent, seemingly because they were bored, or perhaps because they could.
A police officer talked about a "pack mentality". One would do something so another one would do something else.
The abuse was normalised and it escalated. The brothers didn't play sport or work, there was booze and pot, though no suggestion of P.
They didn't have much money so were home a lot and found ways to entertain themselves.
Every day in court, a new horror unfolded. Jurors would stare at the defendants in disbelief.
Lisa Kuka, Nia's mother, received plenty of those stares. She knew at least some of what was happening to her daughter but did nothing to stop it, not even when Nia wouldn't wake up but could still have been saved.
Lisa Kuka, it seems, grew from a nice little girl into a woman whose life revolves around men and who demonstrated a frightening submission to them.
She was the 17th of 19 children. A former primary school teacher told us that while poor, the Kukas seemed a nice family. Lisa's older sisters, twins Louise and Linda, looked out for her.
They were not terribly bright, but they were good girls and they always had lunch and shoes.
"I look at her now, the photos of her on TV and she's got such hard eyes, absolutely hard," the teacher said. "I remember her as a rather bubbly, little bit silly-headed, giggly little girl."
She can't think what happened to Lisa, but says a lot of low socio-economic women in Rotorua get into playing the poker machines and going to housie and pubs.
"Their lives are very thin ... Thin in terms of interests and hobbies and ambitions. It would be the most unrewarding life I can imagine, and I've seen a lot of them like this. It's a sad thing."
Lisa has already found another man, one who promised to take her on holiday to Niue, his homeland, if she got off.
She had her tubes tied after Nia, but by the time she hooked up with Wiremu Curtis she had six children.
She was 34; Wiremu was 16 and not long out of school. He was described in court as "a slow learner".
His lawyer called him stupid and used his stupidity as a main plank in his defence.
Family members on both sides disapproved of the relationship. In court, in a police interview, we heard Lisa admit she loved Wiremu and that her loyalty was to him.
Whatever it was she saw in him, she was content to entrust the care of her daughter to someone who couldn't have been more woefully inadequate.
When Wiremu dobbed in his older brother Michael - the smart one - and Michael's girlfriend, Oriwa Kemp, during a police video interview screened in court, he was sobbing and sniffling and his story became wilder and wilder.
Michael was incensed at what he heard, and when they left for a break his fists were clenched. When they came back a guard sat between them and the cocky body language was gone. Michael was stony and Wiremu jerked his knees, slouched and squinted and chewed on something furiously.
The next day some of his fingers were plastered - apparently because he'd punched a wall - and he appeared to deteriorate from then on.
While his lawyer was giving his defence, Wiremu scribbled on a paper towel. A peek showed it to be some kind of rap song, but the words were incomprehensible.
A long list of abuses perpetrated by Wiremu against Nia was detailed in court.
He and Michael come from a very big long-established Rotorua family. Actor Cliff Curtis, famous for his role in Once Were Warriors - the movie about domestic violence which was inspired by the notorious Ford Block in Rotorua - is a cousin of the Curtis brothers' father, William.
William sat at the back of the courtroom every day. "The proud father," a policeman said cynically.
We can't say much about William, 49, because he faces his own trial over allegations that he, too, abused Nia.
His is said to have pulled a scarf around her neck until she went purple, at a previous address, which he denies.
Outside court, William told us he joined the Black Power at 14. When asked why his side of the family went into the gangs, he would only say "we've all got different ways".
He said when he split up with the brothers' mother, Michael, then 8, went with him and Wiremu spent some time with his mother and also with an aunt in Northland.
"I was a hard man," William said, though he reckons he'd left the gang. "He [Michael] was brought up the same way that I was, I was hard with him but."
They lived all over the place. Michael, he reckons, went to hell and back with him.
Michael was said in court to have bashed his girlfriend, Oriwa.
When Wiremu got together with a woman old enough to be his mother, William senior says he freaked out.
"A lot of people told Boy, [Wiremu] to finish with her. He wasn't ready to rear kids, he had a life out there, out in this world. He had dreams, he was going to go to Aussie."
William's bond, though, was with Michael. he is said to despise Wiremu.
When Wiremu was dobbing in Michael, William would mutter things like "this is bullshit".
In court, Michael was painted as the ringleader who looked after his brother, though police said to us it was more like bullying. It was Michael who came up with the story that Nia had fallen off Wiremu's shoulders.
Police described Wiremu as a "mummy's boy" and it was his mother, Tania Te Para-Heta, he ran to when Nia finally went to hospital.
He was rambling and incoherent and still drunk from the party, telling her how Nia had fallen off his shoulders. She encouraged him to talk to police again, not believing the story.
She seemed nice in court. Dignified and honest. Her appearance to give evidence brought the first real emotion from the brothers when she blew a kiss in their direction. It was as if they couldn't, or wouldn't, look at her, and they cried. A police officer told us their mother is disgusted with them. She lives in Australia now.
+ Show Spoiler +It's sad reading about the household Nia Glassie lived in. Have a read of this. It's a tragic story of a dysfunctional whanau - and make the Kahui's look tame.
Nia Glassie's mother Lisa Kuka and her partner Wiremu Curtis met at her nephews 21st and quickly moved in together after Kuka's former partner Glassie Glassie left her for a thinner girlfriend. They moved into the house with Nia around April last year after Curtis' father William,a Black Power gangster, kicked them out of the place they were living in with him, his daughter, his son and his sons partner and their child. All but Lisa Kuka were unemployed.
The couple had met when he was 15 - she's twice his age. William Curtis' partner "TT" left him, but his son Wiremu (Kuka's partner) was brought up by "TT"s sister and her husband. William Curtis has five children. Two of these are from his first relationship, and one killed himself as a teenager.
Lisa Kuka has 16 brothers and sisters. She also has six children to at least three different men, the oldest of whom is a year younger than her former partner Wiremu Curtis.
Living in 13D Frank St, Rotorua was Wiremu's brother Michael Curtis and his partner Oriwa Kemp who moved in a couple of months prior. None of them have jobs. Kemp was expelled from school, got pregnant to Michael Curtis at 14 and it is understood their daughter lived in the house - the only child in the house that lived with mum and dad. Also living in the house was Kuka's sister Louise, her unemployed son Michael Pearson who was convicted of assault, and two of Lisa Kuka's other children, Esther and Jessie, who never went to school last year and are currently in CYFS care with a family member. The rest of Kuka's children are living with another sister, Donna.
So, Michael Pearson was convicted of assault for his wrestling moves on his three year old cousin. His mother, Louise Kuka , hosted the 21st where Kuka and Curtis met, and was the person who took Nia to hospital, but then went clubbing with Lisa and another sister Linda " to take their mind off it". Then Louise spoke to the media saying she believed Lisa knew what was happening to Nia. No kidding - the two sisters were flatmates, clubmates and friends . "I'm so angry with her. She knew. She knew," she said.
Everyone in the flat knew. Everyone except Nia, because she was in a coma.
Louise Kuka can't have been very angry the night the women went clubbing. She should have been angry with her son, who has now been convicted of assault. So why wasn't she? Louise's sister Lisa was convicted of manslaughter. Lisa's partner was convicted of murder. So was his brother. Nia Glassie died on >August 3, three months after moving into the house.
Over a year ago Children's Commissioner Dr Cindy Kiro said she was "keeping her finger on the pulse" of the Glassie case, but would not begin any investigation of her own until the police inquiry and court action were completed.
Well, it's finished now. Let's see if she can find her finger. Had she investigated Lisa Kuku several years ago when CYFS took away one of her children after she suffered a head injury, this whole sorry episode may not have happened.
Not one of the people who lived in that house who got themselves into relationships are married. None of the adults currently live with their partners. Not one of their children live with their mother and their father.
Neither did Wiremu Curtis. He didn't live with either - then flatted with his dad in a house full of children fathered by different people at a time he should have been sitting level one NCEA.
+ Show Spoiler +Four young adults in Rotorua (aged 17 to 21) have tortured a three-year old girl. It almost makes me sick even typing this up, but they:
hung her on the clothesline spun her around until she flew off put her in an ice cold bath put her in a drying machine used her as a professional wrestling prop And even worse they were members of her extended family.
I’d be appalled if someone did that to a pet, let alone a child.
Intellectually I am against the death penalty. Emotionally I’m all in favour at the moment.
Many more stories where that came from, I just can't be bothered looking them all up and only remember this one's name.
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On July 13 2010 10:32 johnlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 13 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school. WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues. ------------- To the poster: Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart. I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again. Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha: 1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____. 2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father. 3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you. 4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.) And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong  Gooooood luck. Counselors provide an ear and a different perspective, i don't know what the fuck your problem is. My problem is that I experience things that YPang experiences, while you clearly don't if you write a one sentence reply suggesting counselors. Counselors won't do shit. Period. We don't need their fucking ears or different perspectives for $$$. End of story. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be BM, sorry if I offended you.
I empathize with OP. You sound like you have had bad experiences with counselors which is unfortunate but they are in no way universally unhelpful. In fact it's their job to help. The situation OP described is very complicated and I think it would be best to seek advice from people closer to him than from forum members who may have had similar experiences but still know very little about Yangp other than from what he's posted.
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On July 13 2010 10:36 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:26 sob3k wrote:On July 13 2010 09:50 Roffles wrote:On July 13 2010 09:43 sob3k wrote:On July 13 2010 09:19 FragKrag wrote:
Assuming you call Child Services, you're still stuck. If anything I would suggest you to tell your mother to act like the perfect obedient Asian woman and do whatever he wants at least until you are out of college. You're not being a pussy. You're taking the only logical way out of this while securing yourself a source of income you can use to take your sister out. Sorry, but this is an absolutely disastrous idea...Its not possible for a human to "just stick it out and shut up" and avoid conflict for four years while you are at college. It sounds like a great compromise but jesus, I have seen this tried so many times. 1. It sounds like the situation is already deteriorating between the parents, it is not physically or emotionally possible to just ignore this for 4 years, if it has escalated over 10 years, it will continue to escalate. 2. Acting like "the perfect obedient Asian woman" will not pacify or avoid conflict, I guarantee your dad will find something to complain and become enraged about, and even if your mother COMPLETELY avoids any reponse to it, the atmosphere and relationship will become like a fucking toxic gas. 3. IT WILL FUCK YOUR SISTER UP. FUCK HER UP MAJORLY. Living with two parents who are constantly in conflict and hate and disrespect each other will cause your sister to develop serious emotional and relational problems. No matter how much you think people can just "tough it out" and be unaffected, its just not true. I have seen SO MANY people who are unable to live happy lives and are stuck with all kinds of terrible relationship problems because of living in environments like this. I'm sure your sister is a strong person, but she isn't magic. If you leave her in this deteriorating situation for (at minimum) 4 years, she will be effected. Haven't you heard LoveLine for gods sake? EVERY SINGLE PERSON calling up with major psychological problems grew up in an abusive home like this. Its not a fucking coincidence. Yes, money IS a serious concern, but there are thing more important. One of them is not potentially ruining the rest of your sisters life with emotional issues. Everyone in contact with this situation is negatively effected, your mom is effected, your dad is effected, your sister is effected, YOU are effected. Nobody escapes. Now you need to do you best to minimize further harm. Money is one factor, PLEASE weigh the others just as importantly. While you're right that money is one factor, you really have to consider the entire situation as a whole. Sure, YPang can care for himself now that's he's old enough to care for himself, but he's got a 10 year old sister. TEN YEAR OLD SISTER. What's going to happen to her if he calls Child Services? His sister doesn't stand to gain ANYTHING. No college, living off government shit for the next 8 years. Chances at college? Very minimal. Think about her life. I'm not saying she should get beat for the next 8 years, but I really do think that if he makes that call, somehow breaks the family apart, his sister loses the most. Her life is most likely going to shit if he makes that call. I still don't know why people are operating under the idea that you call Child Services and they instantly take the kids to an orphanage and set up a restraining order between the parents. Please take some time to google how DHS responds to these situations. They interview all the family members and the kids, then they come up with a counseling plan/program and potentially some progress visits. Taking kids away and breaking up families is THE ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT in cases of extreme neglect or risk of serious physical injury. They NEVER want to have to do this because they KNOW it destroys families and makes the situation worse. Unless your dad is carrying around a baseball bat or hasn't fed your sister in weeks you really don't have anything NEAR that to worry about....again, I encourage you to read how they assess and react to different situations...its all online. I've had a first hand experience. Yes, it's not just a call --> take him away thing, but you do have to realize that once you make that phone call, he's gonna be fucking pissed. And the more pissed he is, the more his family is going to suffer. He might not show it when social workers come to inspect the house, but his family is going to fucking get it sooner or later. There's little chance that his sister lives away from his mother, but you realize that in a situation like this, I don't see how his dad is going to react in a good way to him calling social services. I might be speaking from a biased cultural perspective though. Oh, sure, I predict his dad is not going to be happy.
However, not calling for help in a situation with an abusive/out-of-control person because you are afraid he will get angry? Thats a recipe for never ending abuse.
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On July 13 2010 10:32 johnlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 13 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school. WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues. ------------- To the poster: Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart. I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again. Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha: 1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____. 2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father. 3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you. 4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.) And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong  Gooooood luck. Counselors provide an ear and a different perspective, i don't know what the fuck your problem is. My problem is that I experience things that YPang experiences, while you clearly don't if you write a one sentence reply suggesting counselors. Counselors won't do shit. Period. We don't need their fucking ears or different perspectives for $$$. End of story. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be BM, sorry if I offended you.
How are counselors a bad thing? It's not like you're forced to go talk to one! Jesus. Some people would rather talk with a "random person" about their emotions rather than someone they know.
EDIT: Not directed at the OP.
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On July 13 2010 10:14 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:06 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 10:00 Roffles wrote:On July 13 2010 09:54 Orome wrote: roffles, you honestly believe his sister will have it worse? jesus, there are worse things than no college money. Yes, if you think about it logically, his sister will be living off government shit for the next 8 years, as opposed to YPang, who is 19 and in college on loans and debt. One is old enough to understand what is going on, one is not. She might not even have the chance to go to college, simply due to the lack of funding that her mother can provide her. How is her life going to be better than YPangs? Tbh I'm just really confused now. You really find having college money in 8 years more important than stopping abuse that's happening right now? I guess we've just got uh... different priorities... Sadly, I believe that the future success of his sister is worth 8 years of hellish suffering. Who knows what will happen if she gets placed into government care. 8 years of guaranteed suffering vs maybe a lifetime of suffering?
Looks like we've got completely different outlooks on success and happiness. How important is academic success if you're scarring yourself along the way? I really don't understand how college could ever be worth 8 years of suffering. Or why you'd think not going to college could mean a lifetime of suffering (let me guess, you're asian :p).
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I still think YPang needs to worry about himself first.
I may sound like an asshole, but I don't think he has any other option. Can't really help others if you're in shit yourself.
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I personally don't believe my dad is under MAJOR stress at work, i believe he is having some. But from what he tells us at the dinner table he keeps bragging about how stable his company is, and how much his boss loves him.
I don't feel a connection with my dad because he never tells me about the mistakes he's made, he just keeps bragging about how good he is, and how much i should trust him and ask him. But the more he does it, the more i feel apart from him. I've never asked him for help, and when he tries to help me, he always puts me down in one way or the other.
Unlike my mom, she shares her mistakes and her views on life, which is what really makes me connected to her.
I personally think he rages at me is because im not one of the top academically successful students, I held a 3.6 GPA in high school way below what an asian parents expect. It just that he can't brag about my grades to other asian parents like all his friends do about their childs. That's what i think the anger is coming from.
Also academically speaking, my sister does worse than me.
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On July 13 2010 10:50 FragKrag wrote: I still think YPang needs to worry about himself first.
I may sound like an asshole, but I don't think he has any other option. Can't really help others if you're in shit yourself.
yeah that does sound pretty egoistical =/
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On July 13 2010 10:45 Pineapple wrote:I haven't read every single post in this thread but my advice is to get outside/government protection ASAP before one day you realise your dad has beaten your sister or mother to death. Abuse like this shit always end up with a murder. Here are just some examples from my own country that started with beatings, slappings, then eventually weapons and torture. And who knows, maybe one day it'll be your mum who breaks and stabs your dad through the heart. Or your sister might commit suicide. Sorry to be harsh but if any of this shit happens your dad is guilty but you are also responsible by omission: + Show Spoiler +13D Frank St was a mess when police began their investigation.
Bourbon boxes, pizza cartons and kids' shoes had been chucked through a hole in a broken ponga fence where the Rotorua rental property backed on to a reserve.
Empty bottles littered the ground inside the fence, and out the back of the small three-bedroom house in the low-income neighbourhood of Koutu was a table with broken legs and a baseball bat leaning against the wall.
Inside, a bowl of half-eaten noodles was on a table.
This was the scene of the crime; the mess the aftermath of a 21st party which raged one Saturday afternoon and night with loud music and brawls while a battered, malnourished little girl lay dying.
You'd need a Big Brother camera to get across the horror of the last days of Nia Glassie's miserably short life.
Failing Big Brother, child witnesses in the trial of who killed Nia, who assaulted her and who neglected her the most, probably told it best.
The children's identities were suppressed but what they said in court was hard to listen to.
They sometimes mixed up what happened when and ran incidents of abuse together. It didn't matter. What came out loud and clear was the nature of the abuse that went on and on, usually when Nia's mother was at work, but sometimes when she was there.
What was done to Nia was callous and violent, perpetrated by a group of no-hopers who lived and partied together, who smoked pot together and who for one reason or another didn't like the little girl they failed to protect.
Nia Maria Glassie was three. They thought she was ugly.
In court, via a television screen, a little girl says: They were kicking her to the couch.
Who?
Wiremu and Michael.
What with?
With their feet.
They kicked Nia in the head, and she points to the front of her head.
How many times?
Three times.
Then what happened?
She was falling asleep.
How hard was the kick?
Hard as a rock.
Wiremu put her to bed.
Sometimes Nia would bleed but they don't care about it. They just keep on smashing her, she says.
They put her in the corner and they kick her to the wall and she gets bumps on her head.
The worst thing, in this child's mind, was when Michael Curtis lifted Nia to the ceiling by her neck and her hips and when she touched the ceiling, he let her go.
This interview, and that of another child, was recorded when Nia was alive, though barely so.
She was in hospital, on a ventilator. Her brain injury, left untreated for 36 hours, was so severe parts of her brain tissue had died.
Another child tells how they spun Nia on the clothesline as fast as they could. Her voice is soft and shy.
They put her into the drier, too, she says.
The drier is in court. A Simpson with a small round door, 28cm in diameter.
Next to it, a tiny pink T-shirt with the words "Miss Cutie".
This is the T-shirt Nia was wearing when, finally, she was taken to hospital.
Who did this, a kindly woman asks the girl, about the drier.
Wiremu and Michael Curtis, she says. But it was Michael Pearson's idea.
She said to Michael Pearson, don't do it.
Why did you say this, asks the woman.
Because she's just a little kid, says the girl.
Michael Pearson told her to shut up.
We listen in appalled silence.
The defendants don't look appalled. Perhaps they're bored. Though, sometimes in court they laughed and whispered and often they tried to stare down the reporters covering the trial.
It was hard to read the stares, but certainly there was challenge in those largely blank eyes; even in court it seemed they were making lame attempts to be menacing.
That was until they listened to each other's statements as told to police when it happened, when they were all so quick to blame each other.
Then their body language changed dramatically and the main offenders, the Curtis brothers, had to be separated by guards.
The woman asks the second girl more about the clothes drier.
You turn it right up, replies the girl, and it gets hot then it dries your clothes.
Nia was screaming, she says, so they put her on the clothesline and they spinned her as fast as they could so she could fall off.
She did fall off, the little girl says. Three times. On her head.
They put Nia in the drier like "a ball", the girl says.
They turned the switch, the one with lots of numbers on it, up too high and Nia kicked the door open but they just put her legs back in.
They were laughing but this little girl didn't think it was funny.
The clothesline and the drier were on different days, and they were not what killed Nia. The kicks to the head killed her.
The girl also told how "they" shoved her in the sandpit and threw a basketball at her. But first they'd taken her jeans and undies off her and they'd pushed her in the sandpit on her bottom.
She was crying loud so they turned up the radio so the neighbours didn't hear. Then they watched DVDs and got some vegetables ready for Michael Curtis' 21st party.
When Lisa Kuka, Nia's mum, came home from work, around Shortland Street, she and this girl went out leaving the Curtis brothers, Nia and another child in the house.
Nia was all right when they left, but when they came back she was floppy and wouldn't wake up.
Nia "slept" the rest of Friday and all of Saturday and Sunday.
Both children told of wrestling moves the grown-ups got off the PlayStation 2 - which Wiremu had stolen - that they saw performed on Nia.
These moves are hard to envisage. If you don't have a PlayStation take a look at YouTube and type Smackdown! v Raw in the search bar. Then imagine adults doing this to a 3-year-old.
The children were cross-examined. They were sitting in a room next to the courtroom and their words and images came to the trial through a TV screen.
Five defence lawyers and the Crown questioned them and one of the defence lawyers suggested the wrestling was "funsies" that got a bit too hard. The jury obviously didn't agree.
Nia was a second-class citizen in that house. When it didn't make them angry and get her another hiding, they seemed to take pleasure in her crying.
One of the defendants told how she would sometimes whimper instead of crying because she knew if she cried she would get something else.
In New Zealand's long list of child abuse cases, children are often killed when a carer snaps in anger.
These ones were mean and violent, seemingly because they were bored, or perhaps because they could.
A police officer talked about a "pack mentality". One would do something so another one would do something else.
The abuse was normalised and it escalated. The brothers didn't play sport or work, there was booze and pot, though no suggestion of P.
They didn't have much money so were home a lot and found ways to entertain themselves.
Every day in court, a new horror unfolded. Jurors would stare at the defendants in disbelief.
Lisa Kuka, Nia's mother, received plenty of those stares. She knew at least some of what was happening to her daughter but did nothing to stop it, not even when Nia wouldn't wake up but could still have been saved.
Lisa Kuka, it seems, grew from a nice little girl into a woman whose life revolves around men and who demonstrated a frightening submission to them.
She was the 17th of 19 children. A former primary school teacher told us that while poor, the Kukas seemed a nice family. Lisa's older sisters, twins Louise and Linda, looked out for her.
They were not terribly bright, but they were good girls and they always had lunch and shoes.
"I look at her now, the photos of her on TV and she's got such hard eyes, absolutely hard," the teacher said. "I remember her as a rather bubbly, little bit silly-headed, giggly little girl."
She can't think what happened to Lisa, but says a lot of low socio-economic women in Rotorua get into playing the poker machines and going to housie and pubs.
"Their lives are very thin ... Thin in terms of interests and hobbies and ambitions. It would be the most unrewarding life I can imagine, and I've seen a lot of them like this. It's a sad thing."
Lisa has already found another man, one who promised to take her on holiday to Niue, his homeland, if she got off.
She had her tubes tied after Nia, but by the time she hooked up with Wiremu Curtis she had six children.
She was 34; Wiremu was 16 and not long out of school. He was described in court as "a slow learner".
His lawyer called him stupid and used his stupidity as a main plank in his defence.
Family members on both sides disapproved of the relationship. In court, in a police interview, we heard Lisa admit she loved Wiremu and that her loyalty was to him.
Whatever it was she saw in him, she was content to entrust the care of her daughter to someone who couldn't have been more woefully inadequate.
When Wiremu dobbed in his older brother Michael - the smart one - and Michael's girlfriend, Oriwa Kemp, during a police video interview screened in court, he was sobbing and sniffling and his story became wilder and wilder.
Michael was incensed at what he heard, and when they left for a break his fists were clenched. When they came back a guard sat between them and the cocky body language was gone. Michael was stony and Wiremu jerked his knees, slouched and squinted and chewed on something furiously.
The next day some of his fingers were plastered - apparently because he'd punched a wall - and he appeared to deteriorate from then on.
While his lawyer was giving his defence, Wiremu scribbled on a paper towel. A peek showed it to be some kind of rap song, but the words were incomprehensible.
A long list of abuses perpetrated by Wiremu against Nia was detailed in court.
He and Michael come from a very big long-established Rotorua family. Actor Cliff Curtis, famous for his role in Once Were Warriors - the movie about domestic violence which was inspired by the notorious Ford Block in Rotorua - is a cousin of the Curtis brothers' father, William.
William sat at the back of the courtroom every day. "The proud father," a policeman said cynically.
We can't say much about William, 49, because he faces his own trial over allegations that he, too, abused Nia.
His is said to have pulled a scarf around her neck until she went purple, at a previous address, which he denies.
Outside court, William told us he joined the Black Power at 14. When asked why his side of the family went into the gangs, he would only say "we've all got different ways".
He said when he split up with the brothers' mother, Michael, then 8, went with him and Wiremu spent some time with his mother and also with an aunt in Northland.
"I was a hard man," William said, though he reckons he'd left the gang. "He [Michael] was brought up the same way that I was, I was hard with him but."
They lived all over the place. Michael, he reckons, went to hell and back with him.
Michael was said in court to have bashed his girlfriend, Oriwa.
When Wiremu got together with a woman old enough to be his mother, William senior says he freaked out.
"A lot of people told Boy, [Wiremu] to finish with her. He wasn't ready to rear kids, he had a life out there, out in this world. He had dreams, he was going to go to Aussie."
William's bond, though, was with Michael. he is said to despise Wiremu.
When Wiremu was dobbing in Michael, William would mutter things like "this is bullshit".
In court, Michael was painted as the ringleader who looked after his brother, though police said to us it was more like bullying. It was Michael who came up with the story that Nia had fallen off Wiremu's shoulders.
Police described Wiremu as a "mummy's boy" and it was his mother, Tania Te Para-Heta, he ran to when Nia finally went to hospital.
He was rambling and incoherent and still drunk from the party, telling her how Nia had fallen off his shoulders. She encouraged him to talk to police again, not believing the story.
She seemed nice in court. Dignified and honest. Her appearance to give evidence brought the first real emotion from the brothers when she blew a kiss in their direction. It was as if they couldn't, or wouldn't, look at her, and they cried. A police officer told us their mother is disgusted with them. She lives in Australia now. + Show Spoiler +It's sad reading about the household Nia Glassie lived in. Have a read of this. It's a tragic story of a dysfunctional whanau - and make the Kahui's look tame.
Nia Glassie's mother Lisa Kuka and her partner Wiremu Curtis met at her nephews 21st and quickly moved in together after Kuka's former partner Glassie Glassie left her for a thinner girlfriend. They moved into the house with Nia around April last year after Curtis' father William,a Black Power gangster, kicked them out of the place they were living in with him, his daughter, his son and his sons partner and their child. All but Lisa Kuka were unemployed.
The couple had met when he was 15 - she's twice his age. William Curtis' partner "TT" left him, but his son Wiremu (Kuka's partner) was brought up by "TT"s sister and her husband. William Curtis has five children. Two of these are from his first relationship, and one killed himself as a teenager.
Lisa Kuka has 16 brothers and sisters. She also has six children to at least three different men, the oldest of whom is a year younger than her former partner Wiremu Curtis.
Living in 13D Frank St, Rotorua was Wiremu's brother Michael Curtis and his partner Oriwa Kemp who moved in a couple of months prior. None of them have jobs. Kemp was expelled from school, got pregnant to Michael Curtis at 14 and it is understood their daughter lived in the house - the only child in the house that lived with mum and dad. Also living in the house was Kuka's sister Louise, her unemployed son Michael Pearson who was convicted of assault, and two of Lisa Kuka's other children, Esther and Jessie, who never went to school last year and are currently in CYFS care with a family member. The rest of Kuka's children are living with another sister, Donna.
So, Michael Pearson was convicted of assault for his wrestling moves on his three year old cousin. His mother, Louise Kuka , hosted the 21st where Kuka and Curtis met, and was the person who took Nia to hospital, but then went clubbing with Lisa and another sister Linda " to take their mind off it". Then Louise spoke to the media saying she believed Lisa knew what was happening to Nia. No kidding - the two sisters were flatmates, clubmates and friends . "I'm so angry with her. She knew. She knew," she said.
Everyone in the flat knew. Everyone except Nia, because she was in a coma.
Louise Kuka can't have been very angry the night the women went clubbing. She should have been angry with her son, who has now been convicted of assault. So why wasn't she? Louise's sister Lisa was convicted of manslaughter. Lisa's partner was convicted of murder. So was his brother. Nia Glassie died on >August 3, three months after moving into the house.
Over a year ago Children's Commissioner Dr Cindy Kiro said she was "keeping her finger on the pulse" of the Glassie case, but would not begin any investigation of her own until the police inquiry and court action were completed.
Well, it's finished now. Let's see if she can find her finger. Had she investigated Lisa Kuku several years ago when CYFS took away one of her children after she suffered a head injury, this whole sorry episode may not have happened.
Not one of the people who lived in that house who got themselves into relationships are married. None of the adults currently live with their partners. Not one of their children live with their mother and their father.
Neither did Wiremu Curtis. He didn't live with either - then flatted with his dad in a house full of children fathered by different people at a time he should have been sitting level one NCEA.
+ Show Spoiler +Four young adults in Rotorua (aged 17 to 21) have tortured a three-year old girl. It almost makes me sick even typing this up, but they:
hung her on the clothesline spun her around until she flew off put her in an ice cold bath put her in a drying machine used her as a professional wrestling prop And even worse they were members of her extended family.
I’d be appalled if someone did that to a pet, let alone a child.
Intellectually I am against the death penalty. Emotionally I’m all in favour at the moment. Many more stories where that came from, I just can't be bothered looking them all up and only remember this one's name.
Alternatively if you don't trust the government (e.g. cultural difference) you could go to a Church?
+ Show Spoiler +By T. Suzanne Eller (excerpted from Real Teens, Real Stories, Real Life)
The small church was crowded. All around me people worshiped a god that I didn’t believe existed. Why was I there? My neighbor asked me to come. To be honest, I thought they would leave me alone if I did.
I wasn’t sure what to expect. I had attended services with my family a few times, but it was more of a ritual or a way to celebrate holidays. What I hadn’t anticipated was the wetness pressed against my eyelids as I clenched them shut.
My motto? Never let them see you cry. I wasn’t about to break down in front of people I didn’t know. I wasn’t crying because I felt the presence of God or that I sensed his love for me. I fought tears because I was mad, so angry that I shook inside.
How dare the preacher stand there and talk about the love of God. It was easy for him and people like him to spout off about a God who existed, who had a purpose for every person. Well, maybe their God had taken a personal interest in them but he didn’t live at my house.
The mother I am about to share with you is the not the mom I have now. You see, she had an encounter with God, and he brought her out of the darkness of emotional pain and healed her. In order to share my story, I have to share a little bit of hers as well.
My mom left home at 16 years old, pregnant and newly married to a boy who thought he was a man. She lost her first baby to cystic fibrosis when the toddler was less than two years old. She had her second child at 18 and left her husband at the age of 21. He came to visit her one night and forced her to have sex. She discovered two weeks later she was pregnant.
I was that baby.
Mom married a good man who loved her and the two little kids that came as a package deal. But in spite of this turn of events, my mom was fragile.
Growing up, I never knew what to expect. There was physical abuse and apologies. There were humiliating punishments, harsh words, and tearful requests for forgiveness.
It wasn’t always bad in my home, but when it was it was loud and chaotic and frightening. I feared one day that my mom would pull the trigger or hurt herself. I hated the words that came out of her mouth when she was angry.
One day my mom chased me through the house, brandishing an umbrella as she screamed at me. I ran out the door and into the rain. I was wearing a T-shirt and jeans and no shoes. The cold rain pelted me as I ran down Latimer Street. I pushed through the wetness, pumping my arms as I ran as fast as I could. Finally I stopped, bending down to catch my breath as my tears meshed with the raindrops. I slowly turned around and walked home, sat on the curb, and wept until my throat closed.
I was stuck. I couldn’t run away. I had no money, no place to go.
I started smoking at the bus stop, pushing boundaries with my teachers, and drinking with my best friend. My attempts to be tough must have appeared hilarious to others. I was skinny to a fault and looked younger than my age. Being tough didn’t come natural. My heart was gentle and I hated conflict and fighting, yet every single time I let my guard down someone hurt me.
That’s when the hardness crept in. Never let them see you cry. Never give them a chance to know you care.
One day it all came to a head. My mom pulled us around her in her bedroom. She put a gun to her head and threatened to shoot herself. I was scared, but not because I thought she would die, but because under my breath I whispered, “just do it”.
Who was this person I was becoming?
Two years later I stood in the little church. The pastor sang, strumming on the guitar as people knelt at the altar. “He loves you,” he said. “He has a plan for your life.”
I challenged God. “If you are real,” I whispered, “If you exist and you know me and you love me like he says, I need to know.”
I expected nothing, yet I received everything as a tender touch reached past my hardened heart. I’ve had trouble explaining this moment to people over the years. “Did you see God?” No. “Did you feel God’s presence?” Yes, but so subtle and deep inside of me, touching areas that I had closed long ago to anybody, that I knew it was God.
I stumbled from the church. I ran home and told my mom that I had just got “saved”, though I really didn’t understand what had occurred.
My circumstances were still the same, but everything was different on the inside of me.
I made mistakes, huge blunders as I tried to learn what it meant to follow Jesus as my Savior. I wasn’t perfect, but I understood his love. The people of that little church ministered to me in ways they will never understand. There were times I wept at the altar and then went home to chaos. There were times I fell in my walk with Christ and their gentle encouragement helped me to keep going.
It is amazing what can happen when God restores a broken life. It can be beautiful like the portrait that my mom is now, the shattered pieces of her life assembled together in a beautiful picture of God’s mercy.
Today I am a mom, an author, a speaker, and a wife. I have the opportunity to share the story of my life and the beauty of purpose and the fact that God loves us from the beginning.
I found a note from my dad under my pillow one day. I still carry it with me, the tattered pieces a reminder of what God has done. My quiet father, who very rarely shared the depth of his emotions, said in that letter, “I have watched you and I see that you have something that is of great worth, a treasure. I know that it is real and I admire you for your faith and your love for God.”
We have never spoken of that letter, but it came at a time when I prayed for a sign. “God, show me that you hear my prayers. Heal my family. Let me know that you are listening.” The folded piece of paper under my pillow was heaven sent and priceless.
For years my mom and I have been friends. She is compassionate, loving, and sometimes she’s still fragile, but she’s beautiful to me.
I am still running after the same God that touched my life. He’s been with me through good and difficult times, but my love for him will always be wrapped around that first moment when he reached down to an angry, hurting girl and silently whispered that he loved me.
I still can’t help but whisper back, “I love you too”.
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ypang, have you talked to your sister about all of this? how does she feel?
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On July 13 2010 10:54 Orome wrote: ypang, have you talked to your sister about all of this? how does she feel? I talked to her, she says she doesn't like it "when daddy gets mad" but she BLIEVES its OKAY what he's doing. I haven't had many serious talks with her, but i will.
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On July 13 2010 10:48 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:14 Roffles wrote:On July 13 2010 10:06 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 10:00 Roffles wrote:On July 13 2010 09:54 Orome wrote: roffles, you honestly believe his sister will have it worse? jesus, there are worse things than no college money. Yes, if you think about it logically, his sister will be living off government shit for the next 8 years, as opposed to YPang, who is 19 and in college on loans and debt. One is old enough to understand what is going on, one is not. She might not even have the chance to go to college, simply due to the lack of funding that her mother can provide her. How is her life going to be better than YPangs? Tbh I'm just really confused now. You really find having college money in 8 years more important than stopping abuse that's happening right now? I guess we've just got uh... different priorities... Sadly, I believe that the future success of his sister is worth 8 years of hellish suffering. Who knows what will happen if she gets placed into government care. 8 years of guaranteed suffering vs maybe a lifetime of suffering? Looks like we've got completely different outlooks on success and happiness. How important is academic success if you're scarring yourself along the way? I really don't understand how college could ever be worth 8 years of suffering. Or why you'd think not going to college could mean a lifetime of suffering (let me guess, you're asian :p).
Who knows, they might come out stronger after all that suffering. I sure have. Of course it wasn't 8 years, however I was young and experienced lots of bad things. If I can come out okay then I believe that she can as well with support (yp, his mother).
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Your dad isn't too bad, I daresay he isn't far from normal. A lot of people have dads like this. Both the person that brings the money and the one maintaining the home have different perspectives.
People saying that your sister is going to end fucked up are exaggerating. Women aren't emotionally weaker than men. And it's not like your father is hitting them or doing anything worse than verbally abusing them right? And his verbal abuse has some substance to it, there's nothing odd about a working man thinking that his 19 year old son is an useless git when money is involved. I think you're exaggerating too, have you ever raised your hand against your father? Have you ever hit him? Then you don't really hate him dude.
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I don't think my parents really have a BAD relationship, thats because and only because my mom accepts the fact and BELIVES its NORMAL for him to call her trash and a dumbass. If its any other women she would of raged way more than my mom.
They go on walks together and talk constantly, and its almost ALWAYS about my dad bragging about how stable his job is.
Also i feel like i have not been too affect by my dad's assholish behavior, I don't find myself having many self esteem issues, luckily.
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Man, it's sad how this type of behavior is seen so frequently in asian culture. Your dad might be going through a hard time, don't do anything you might regret without evaluating the entire situation carefully first. Think from your mom and your sister's perspective and your dad before getting mad. Of course this isn't normal, but such a stage in life isn't uncommon ... if it elevates you will definitely want to take action.
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On July 13 2010 10:46 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:36 Roffles wrote:On July 13 2010 10:26 sob3k wrote:On July 13 2010 09:50 Roffles wrote:On July 13 2010 09:43 sob3k wrote:On July 13 2010 09:19 FragKrag wrote:
Assuming you call Child Services, you're still stuck. If anything I would suggest you to tell your mother to act like the perfect obedient Asian woman and do whatever he wants at least until you are out of college. You're not being a pussy. You're taking the only logical way out of this while securing yourself a source of income you can use to take your sister out. Sorry, but this is an absolutely disastrous idea...Its not possible for a human to "just stick it out and shut up" and avoid conflict for four years while you are at college. It sounds like a great compromise but jesus, I have seen this tried so many times. 1. It sounds like the situation is already deteriorating between the parents, it is not physically or emotionally possible to just ignore this for 4 years, if it has escalated over 10 years, it will continue to escalate. 2. Acting like "the perfect obedient Asian woman" will not pacify or avoid conflict, I guarantee your dad will find something to complain and become enraged about, and even if your mother COMPLETELY avoids any reponse to it, the atmosphere and relationship will become like a fucking toxic gas. 3. IT WILL FUCK YOUR SISTER UP. FUCK HER UP MAJORLY. Living with two parents who are constantly in conflict and hate and disrespect each other will cause your sister to develop serious emotional and relational problems. No matter how much you think people can just "tough it out" and be unaffected, its just not true. I have seen SO MANY people who are unable to live happy lives and are stuck with all kinds of terrible relationship problems because of living in environments like this. I'm sure your sister is a strong person, but she isn't magic. If you leave her in this deteriorating situation for (at minimum) 4 years, she will be effected. Haven't you heard LoveLine for gods sake? EVERY SINGLE PERSON calling up with major psychological problems grew up in an abusive home like this. Its not a fucking coincidence. Yes, money IS a serious concern, but there are thing more important. One of them is not potentially ruining the rest of your sisters life with emotional issues. Everyone in contact with this situation is negatively effected, your mom is effected, your dad is effected, your sister is effected, YOU are effected. Nobody escapes. Now you need to do you best to minimize further harm. Money is one factor, PLEASE weigh the others just as importantly. While you're right that money is one factor, you really have to consider the entire situation as a whole. Sure, YPang can care for himself now that's he's old enough to care for himself, but he's got a 10 year old sister. TEN YEAR OLD SISTER. What's going to happen to her if he calls Child Services? His sister doesn't stand to gain ANYTHING. No college, living off government shit for the next 8 years. Chances at college? Very minimal. Think about her life. I'm not saying she should get beat for the next 8 years, but I really do think that if he makes that call, somehow breaks the family apart, his sister loses the most. Her life is most likely going to shit if he makes that call. I still don't know why people are operating under the idea that you call Child Services and they instantly take the kids to an orphanage and set up a restraining order between the parents. Please take some time to google how DHS responds to these situations. They interview all the family members and the kids, then they come up with a counseling plan/program and potentially some progress visits. Taking kids away and breaking up families is THE ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT in cases of extreme neglect or risk of serious physical injury. They NEVER want to have to do this because they KNOW it destroys families and makes the situation worse. Unless your dad is carrying around a baseball bat or hasn't fed your sister in weeks you really don't have anything NEAR that to worry about....again, I encourage you to read how they assess and react to different situations...its all online. I've had a first hand experience. Yes, it's not just a call --> take him away thing, but you do have to realize that once you make that phone call, he's gonna be fucking pissed. And the more pissed he is, the more his family is going to suffer. He might not show it when social workers come to inspect the house, but his family is going to fucking get it sooner or later. There's little chance that his sister lives away from his mother, but you realize that in a situation like this, I don't see how his dad is going to react in a good way to him calling social services. I might be speaking from a biased cultural perspective though. Oh, sure, I predict his dad is not going to be happy. However, not calling for help in a situation with an abusive/out-of-control person because you are afraid he will get angry? Thats a recipe for never ending abuse. I might be making a guess, but I believe that if he calls CPS, they're gonna start a case, social workers are gonna come, his mom is gonna deny everything, and then once they leave, he's gonna beat the shit out of them.
Given the attitude of his father and his mother, I can seriously say that unless he talks to his mother, convinces her that there's a problem, this is what's going to happen. 9 times out of 10 this is going to happen.
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On July 13 2010 10:57 Cloud wrote: Your dad isn't too bad, I daresay he isn't far from normal. A lot of people have dads like this. Both the person that brings the money and the one maintaining the home have different perspectives.
People saying that your sister is going to end fucked up are exaggerating. Women aren't emotionally weaker than men. And it's not like your father is hitting them or doing anything worse than verbally abusing them right? And his verbal abuse has some substance to it, there's nothing odd about a working man thinking that his 19 year old son is an useless git when money is involved. I think you're exaggerating too, have you ever raised your hand against your father? Have you ever hit him? Then you don't really hate him dude.
I must agree with this. +1.
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On July 13 2010 10:53 YPang wrote: I personally don't believe my dad is under MAJOR stress at work, i believe he is having some. But from what he tells us at the dinner table he keeps bragging about how stable his company is, and how much his boss loves him.
I don't feel a connection with my dad because he never tells me about the mistakes he's made, he just keeps bragging about how good he is, and how much i should trust him and ask him. But the more he does it, the more i feel apart from him. I've never asked him for help, and when he tries to help me, he always puts me down in one way or the other.
Unlike my mom, she shares her mistakes and her views on life, which is what really makes me connected to her.
I personally think he rages at me is because im not one of the top academically successful students, I held a 3.6 GPA in high school way below what an asian parents expect. It just that he can't brag about my grades to other asian parents like all his friends do about their childs. That's what i think the anger is coming from.
Also academically speaking, my sister does worse than me.
There's nothing else in your dads life that is causing him pain or stress? He's beating the shit out of your sister because she got a 3.4?
If thats true then he's just a fucking moron.
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I think what you need to do is talk to someone like a family friend who your father sees eye-to-eye and respects. If this family friend is the 'typical asian' that everyone on TL describes, then he'll probably share a similar view with your dad, so try and find someone reasonable who knows that what is going on in your house IS NOT NORMAL. It is child abuse and his behavior shouldn't be condoned. It's actually quite ironic that, although he wants what's best for his family, the way he is going about it is actually counter-intuitive in that it will have a negative impact on you guys in a number of ways, especially socially (which really is a major part of gaining success in this world).
But find someone who can talk to your dad and/or mom and who also realizes that his behaviour needs to be changed. Try and get this person to convince them that he needs counselling for anger management issues and just general family counselling with all of you guys. I really think more families like yours could benefit from this, instead of just living with this bullshit and then growing up with social issues and problems, only to repeat this cycle with their own kids.
I would hold off with the child services thing, because what's really going to happen is that your sister will be the one who may be placed into foster care, and your parents, being the 'typical asian parents', won't know how to handle such a situation and will be at each others throats, while you are away at college.
Anyway, I think that the first step would be to get someone to actually convince your family to get professional help that will curb this awful behaviour. A 10 year-old should not be forced to fucking slap herself as hard as she can (is this some scheme of your father's to ensure that he can't get caught for directly beating her? If so, he's a complete retard because that shit will not fly in a courtroom, and he may as well just be the one slapping her). If there is no one who you think can reason with your dad, then you may have to be the one that talks to your parents about possibly getting counselling...although I think your efforts would be in a vain seeing as how they opt for $3 sausages over regular ones. Try anyways though, and if that fails, go to the counsellors at your school.
If the shit is getting out of hand, then I would perhaps look into child services. The problem I seem to notice with Asian families is that their behaviour seems to be a cultural one, in that there's a lot of male chauvinism, and a lot of times it is condoned, even by the victims. I don't know how strong a case would be against your father, because I would imagine you guys and your mother would probably tone down the severity of your father's actions in an official investigation. For now though, try and get family counselling. Despite your father thinking what he's doing is for your family's best interests, it is not, and it IS abuse. It needs to stop because it won't help the situation and will only make it worse.
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On July 13 2010 10:57 Cloud wrote: Your dad isn't too bad, I daresay he isn't far from normal. A lot of people have dads like this. Both the person that brings the money and the one maintaining the home have different perspectives.
People saying that your sister is going to end fucked up are exaggerating. Women aren't emotionally weaker than men. And it's not like your father is hitting them or doing anything worse than verbally abusing them right? And his verbal abuse has some substance to it, there's nothing odd about a working man thinking that his 19 year old son is an useless git when money is involved. I think you're exaggerating too, have you ever raised your hand against your father? Have you ever hit him? Then you don't really hate him dude.
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On July 13 2010 08:43 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:41 Dance.jhu wrote:On July 13 2010 08:40 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 08:38 Dance.jhu wrote: sounds like my dad growing up, but he has completely changed the way he acts. He still gets mad, but mostly it is my fault. He definetly is better the way he reacts and handles situations. Im sorry to hear this, and when I read your sister is only 10 that made me really angry. It is a shitty situation, but i dont think it is nearly as bad as it could be. Of course im going off the little infromation you give, and it sounds it has never gone beyond verbal abuse. Still, it could be worse. It's mostly verbal abuse now, sometimes my sister still gets beat physically, not me anymore, and rarely my mom anymore. by beat, do you mean spanked? i sure hope so Few month ago, my sister's face was red with bruises, and was made to lie to teachers and students saying that it was just a rash. And she is often kicked not sure about the strength of kick, but definitly enough to get her to be on her butt. I used to get belted, with bruises over my leg, my sides on the body, and my arms would be totally red. He doesn't dare to do it anymore though to me anyways.
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On July 13 2010 10:53 YPang wrote: I personally don't believe my dad is under MAJOR stress at work, i believe he is having some. But from what he tells us at the dinner table he keeps bragging about how stable his company is, and how much his boss loves him.
I don't feel a connection with my dad because he never tells me about the mistakes he's made, he just keeps bragging about how good he is, and how much i should trust him and ask him. But the more he does it, the more i feel apart from him. I've never asked him for help, and when he tries to help me, he always puts me down in one way or the other.
Unlike my mom, she shares her mistakes and her views on life, which is what really makes me connected to her.
I personally think he rages at me is because im not one of the top academically successful students, I held a 3.6 GPA in high school way below what an asian parents expect. It just that he can't brag about my grades to other asian parents like all his friends do about their childs. That's what i think the anger is coming from.
Also academically speaking, my sister does worse than me. I tend to notice that the people who brag a lot about things are also the ones that are really insecure.
It's also funny how you can spot the Asian posters in this thread based on their advice. Actually, people from highly patriarchal, male chauvinistic societies in general.
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YPang you should talk to people who are close to you for advice and explore all options. By making this blog you obviously hope for something to be changed. Don't just wake up tomorrow and forget everything.
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On July 13 2010 11:02 Masamune wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:53 YPang wrote: I personally don't believe my dad is under MAJOR stress at work, i believe he is having some. But from what he tells us at the dinner table he keeps bragging about how stable his company is, and how much his boss loves him.
I don't feel a connection with my dad because he never tells me about the mistakes he's made, he just keeps bragging about how good he is, and how much i should trust him and ask him. But the more he does it, the more i feel apart from him. I've never asked him for help, and when he tries to help me, he always puts me down in one way or the other.
Unlike my mom, she shares her mistakes and her views on life, which is what really makes me connected to her.
I personally think he rages at me is because im not one of the top academically successful students, I held a 3.6 GPA in high school way below what an asian parents expect. It just that he can't brag about my grades to other asian parents like all his friends do about their childs. That's what i think the anger is coming from.
Also academically speaking, my sister does worse than me. I tend to notice that the people who brag a lot about things are also the ones that are really insecure. It's also funny how you can spot the Asian posters in this thread based on their advice. Actually, people from highly patriarchal, male chauvinistic societies in general. As opposed to the white bois in families where their parents feel so tragically guilty about not spending a fraction of time with their sons and let them do whatever they want and in turn turn them into spoiled pieces of crap?
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On July 13 2010 11:06 zulu_nation8 wrote: YPang you should talk to people who are close to you for advice and explore all options. By making this blog you obviously hope for something to be changed. Don't just wake up tomorrow and forget everything. The only person close to me right now is my mom, all my family is in china, and im sure they support what my dad does. Infact my dad tells my aunts and uncles to beat their child with belts, and don't do it with a stick because you'll have to bring them to a hospital.
I can't really talk to it with my mom, because she tends to tell things to my dad, and if she tells him what i told her, it could lead to bigger trouble.
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On July 13 2010 11:08 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:06 zulu_nation8 wrote: YPang you should talk to people who are close to you for advice and explore all options. By making this blog you obviously hope for something to be changed. Don't just wake up tomorrow and forget everything. The only person close to me right now is my mom, all my family is in china, and im sure they support what my dad does. Infact my dad tells my aunts and uncles to beat their child with belts, and don't do it with a stick because you'll have to bring them to a hospital. I can't really talk to it with my mom, because she tends to tell things to my dad, and if she tells him what i told her, it could lead to bigger trouble. You could always talk to a councilor. Or better yet, next doctor's visit, you can talk to the doctor. The doctor always does the "Will the parents step out of the room" thingy during the middle of your physical and ask you if you want to talk about anything without your parents knowing.
I did this with my doctor (I have a couple friends whos parents are x.x to), and she suggested going to counseling. Of course, she knew that Asian parents will practically never go to counseling.
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On July 13 2010 11:17 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:08 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 11:06 zulu_nation8 wrote: YPang you should talk to people who are close to you for advice and explore all options. By making this blog you obviously hope for something to be changed. Don't just wake up tomorrow and forget everything. The only person close to me right now is my mom, all my family is in china, and im sure they support what my dad does. Infact my dad tells my aunts and uncles to beat their child with belts, and don't do it with a stick because you'll have to bring them to a hospital. I can't really talk to it with my mom, because she tends to tell things to my dad, and if she tells him what i told her, it could lead to bigger trouble. You could always talk to a councilor. Or better yet, next doctor's visit, you can talk to the doctor. The doctor always does the "Will the parents step out of the room" thingy during the middle of your physical and ask you if you want to talk about anything without your parents knowing. I did this with my doctor (I have a couple friends whos parents are x.x to), and she suggested going to counseling. Of course, she knew that Asian parents will practically never go to counseling. except my doctor's asian LOL XD
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You ever try talking to your dad about his behavior and that this is the United fucking States of America and not China? Also your sister is 10, she's too young to know whats right or wrong. If shes getting physically abused and your father is making her think its "Okay", shes going to think its Okay. Who knows whats going to happen when she grows up.
In my opinion, although im no expert, is to sprout out the courage to tell your father, in a respective manner, of what you think about him controlling the family as he is. And judging by his answer, take the proper course of action. If you just sit by and watch, your no better then him.
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Do something about this.... this isn't normal.
Honestly don't dismiss what people are saying.
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On July 13 2010 11:18 Tenryu wrote: You ever try talking to your dad about his behavior and that this is the United fucking States of America and not China? Also your sister is 10, she's too young to know whats right or wrong. If shes getting physically abused and your father is making her think its "Okay", shes going to think its Okay. Who knows whats going to happen when she grows up.
In my opinion, although im no expert, is to sprout out the courage to tell your father, in a respective manner, of what you think about him controlling the family as he is. And judging by his answer, take the proper course of action. If you just sit by and watch, your no better then him. His dad probably doesn't give a fuck. As long as he's at home, it's his household and he's gonna do whatever the fuck he wants to do.
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Yes go to counseling at the very least. Do something as opposed to nothing. Decide what you think is best for you and your sister. There's really no advice that can replace your own judgment.
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On July 13 2010 11:08 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:02 Masamune wrote:On July 13 2010 10:53 YPang wrote: I personally don't believe my dad is under MAJOR stress at work, i believe he is having some. But from what he tells us at the dinner table he keeps bragging about how stable his company is, and how much his boss loves him.
I don't feel a connection with my dad because he never tells me about the mistakes he's made, he just keeps bragging about how good he is, and how much i should trust him and ask him. But the more he does it, the more i feel apart from him. I've never asked him for help, and when he tries to help me, he always puts me down in one way or the other.
Unlike my mom, she shares her mistakes and her views on life, which is what really makes me connected to her.
I personally think he rages at me is because im not one of the top academically successful students, I held a 3.6 GPA in high school way below what an asian parents expect. It just that he can't brag about my grades to other asian parents like all his friends do about their childs. That's what i think the anger is coming from.
Also academically speaking, my sister does worse than me. I tend to notice that the people who brag a lot about things are also the ones that are really insecure. It's also funny how you can spot the Asian posters in this thread based on their advice. Actually, people from highly patriarchal, male chauvinistic societies in general. As opposed to the white bois in families where their parents feel so tragically guilty about not spending a fraction of time with their sons and let them do whatever they want and in turn turn them into spoiled pieces of crap? wth does this even mean?
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On July 13 2010 11:20 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:18 Tenryu wrote: You ever try talking to your dad about his behavior and that this is the United fucking States of America and not China? Also your sister is 10, she's too young to know whats right or wrong. If shes getting physically abused and your father is making her think its "Okay", shes going to think its Okay. Who knows whats going to happen when she grows up.
In my opinion, although im no expert, is to sprout out the courage to tell your father, in a respective manner, of what you think about him controlling the family as he is. And judging by his answer, take the proper course of action. If you just sit by and watch, your no better then him. His dad probably doesn't give a fuck. As long as he's at home, it's his household and he's gonna do whatever the fuck he wants to do. ^this
Some Asians are amazingly self-righteous.
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I can't really offer any advice as I have never had any experience like this but hope everything gets better eventually, man. I can't imagine going through situations like this. From what I've read, aside your dad being an obvious problem, I am very frustrated with your mom. My mom would NEVER allow things like this to happen to me or my sister, although I'm blessed with a loving dad. It baffles me that she thinks verbal and physical abuses are okay. Also, I am surprised a lot of people generalize that this is pretty close to normal for Asian families. No way.
Good luck Yang, hang in there. Do what feels right after weighing everything out,
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Yeah I think the bottom line (from pretty much everyone in this thread, even if there were different opinions as to the specifics) is that whatever you do, you have to do something. Talk to your dad if you still think the situation can be saved. If not, take whatever action you think most appropriate.
Just don't flee to college and leave your sister (and your mother) in this mess.
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On July 13 2010 11:18 Tenryu wrote: You ever try talking to your dad about his behavior and that this is the United fucking States of America and not China? Also your sister is 10, she's too young to know whats right or wrong. If shes getting physically abused and your father is making her think its "Okay", shes going to think its Okay. Who knows whats going to happen when she grows up.
In my opinion, although im no expert, is to sprout out the courage to tell your father, in a respective manner, of what you think about him controlling the family as he is. And judging by his answer, take the proper course of action. If you just sit by and watch, your no better then him. I think i will have to do it sometime, i feel like i should do something and not just sit and watch like i have been doing for 19 years.
It's really hard for me to stay respectful, as soon as he starts talking shit to me, i respond back with similar tone, i do'nt cuss at him nor anything, but i do make sarcastic remarks at his nonsense. Occasionally i do scream at him though.
However, i don't feel that he takes what i say to him to his heart. He just brushes it off his shoulders like what i say doesn't even matter.
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On July 13 2010 10:47 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:32 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 10:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 13 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school. WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues. ------------- To the poster: Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart. I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again. Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha: 1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____. 2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father. 3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you. 4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.) And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong  Gooooood luck. Counselors provide an ear and a different perspective, i don't know what the fuck your problem is. My problem is that I experience things that YPang experiences, while you clearly don't if you write a one sentence reply suggesting counselors. Counselors won't do shit. Period. We don't need their fucking ears or different perspectives for $$$. End of story. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be BM, sorry if I offended you. How are counselors a bad thing? It's not like you're forced to go talk to one! Jesus. Some people would rather talk with a "random person" about their emotions rather than someone they know. EDIT: Not directed at the OP. Counselors can be a bad thing if they don't listen to your advice and go call child services. Then child services comes, they talk to YPang's dad, they go away with a slap on the hand, without finding or searching for physical abuse, and then your dad is free to seek vengeance.
My childhood sucked too. I don't think I can mention all of it in one blog.
I got beaten a lot as a kid too. However unlike you, both my parents were assholes. Everyday I got beaten up at school as a kindergardener against these two racist kids. I didn't speak any English. When I told my parents they told me to fight back.
I got a 790/800 on the SAT chemistry. My mom yelled at me for it and said I should've just tried harder for that little more. She yelled at me for an entire car ride. I actually hated myself for not getting the 800 until I did in a later test. Wasn't any better.
We're financially stable now. My dad doesn't take his anger out on me now ever since one day last year when I slammed my upstairs bedroom door ( I wasn't angry I just closed it quickly). He hit me a few times, then I punched him in the chest, then I stopped and he did a roundhouse kick. Didn't hurt physically. I think he's less stressed since he has a good job now.
Complained about him hitting my brother and caught him a couple times, he doesn't do this anymore. He seems to understand that it was stupid. Honestly I don't hate him anymore. He gets on my nerves a lot, but not as much.
Mom still pinches my brother and beats him if the weather is too hot. Bitch. He always has marks on his body. The emotional abuse however is far worse. How often do you think of suicide YPang?
Things should be better for your little sister than they were for you. She has a big brother for support.
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On July 13 2010 11:24 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:47 Saturnize wrote:On July 13 2010 10:32 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 10:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 13 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school. WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues. ------------- To the poster: Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart. I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again. Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha: 1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____. 2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father. 3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you. 4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.) And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong  Gooooood luck. Counselors provide an ear and a different perspective, i don't know what the fuck your problem is. My problem is that I experience things that YPang experiences, while you clearly don't if you write a one sentence reply suggesting counselors. Counselors won't do shit. Period. We don't need their fucking ears or different perspectives for $$$. End of story. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be BM, sorry if I offended you. How are counselors a bad thing? It's not like you're forced to go talk to one! Jesus. Some people would rather talk with a "random person" about their emotions rather than someone they know. EDIT: Not directed at the OP. Counselors can be a bad thing if they don't listen to your advice and go call child services. Then child services comes, they talk to YPang's dad, they go away with a slap on the hand, without finding or searching for physical abuse, and then your dad is free to seek vengeance. My childhood sucked too. I don't think I can mention all of it in one blog. Yeah that's the main issue with the school counselors that could be a problem.
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On July 13 2010 11:23 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:18 Tenryu wrote: You ever try talking to your dad about his behavior and that this is the United fucking States of America and not China? Also your sister is 10, she's too young to know whats right or wrong. If shes getting physically abused and your father is making her think its "Okay", shes going to think its Okay. Who knows whats going to happen when she grows up.
In my opinion, although im no expert, is to sprout out the courage to tell your father, in a respective manner, of what you think about him controlling the family as he is. And judging by his answer, take the proper course of action. If you just sit by and watch, your no better then him. I think i will have to do it sometime, i feel like i should do something and not just sit and watch like i have been doing for 19 years. It's really hard for me to stay respectful, as soon as he starts talking shit to me, i respond back with similar tone, i do'nt cuss at him nor anything, but i do make sarcastic remarks at his nonsense. Occasionally i do scream at him though. However, i don't feel that he takes what i say to him to his heart. He just brushes it off his shoulders like what i say doesn't even matter.
You disrespect him when he talks shit and expect him to take your criticisms to heart?
Just take his shit and ignore it, don't try to backtalk him -_-
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On July 13 2010 08:45 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +Thats terrible for your sister though, are your parent contemplating divorce or anything? they did a lot of years ago, not anymore. The way my dad verbally assaults my mom is a normal thing now, so she doesn't feel anything is wrong with it... Plus my mom depends on him for money.
Source of the problem found.
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Generally i feel like, i'm going to be the one that consoles my sister if she ever needs help. I got through this bullshit, and my mom seems to think w/e she's doing is fine so ill prolly leave it at that. But i feel the need to tell my sister about her options as she gets older and understands more.
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On July 13 2010 11:26 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:23 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 11:18 Tenryu wrote: You ever try talking to your dad about his behavior and that this is the United fucking States of America and not China? Also your sister is 10, she's too young to know whats right or wrong. If shes getting physically abused and your father is making her think its "Okay", shes going to think its Okay. Who knows whats going to happen when she grows up.
In my opinion, although im no expert, is to sprout out the courage to tell your father, in a respective manner, of what you think about him controlling the family as he is. And judging by his answer, take the proper course of action. If you just sit by and watch, your no better then him. I think i will have to do it sometime, i feel like i should do something and not just sit and watch like i have been doing for 19 years. It's really hard for me to stay respectful, as soon as he starts talking shit to me, i respond back with similar tone, i do'nt cuss at him nor anything, but i do make sarcastic remarks at his nonsense. Occasionally i do scream at him though. However, i don't feel that he takes what i say to him to his heart. He just brushes it off his shoulders like what i say doesn't even matter. You disrespect him when he talks shit and expect him to take your criticisms to heart? Just take his shit and ignore it, don't try to backtalk him -_- Dude you don't understand, i've been the voiceless boy for 17 years, before i decided to call him out on his shit. Thats when he stopped beating me physically cuz i told him i'll strike back.
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On July 13 2010 11:29 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:26 FragKrag wrote:On July 13 2010 11:23 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 11:18 Tenryu wrote: You ever try talking to your dad about his behavior and that this is the United fucking States of America and not China? Also your sister is 10, she's too young to know whats right or wrong. If shes getting physically abused and your father is making her think its "Okay", shes going to think its Okay. Who knows whats going to happen when she grows up.
In my opinion, although im no expert, is to sprout out the courage to tell your father, in a respective manner, of what you think about him controlling the family as he is. And judging by his answer, take the proper course of action. If you just sit by and watch, your no better then him. I think i will have to do it sometime, i feel like i should do something and not just sit and watch like i have been doing for 19 years. It's really hard for me to stay respectful, as soon as he starts talking shit to me, i respond back with similar tone, i do'nt cuss at him nor anything, but i do make sarcastic remarks at his nonsense. Occasionally i do scream at him though. However, i don't feel that he takes what i say to him to his heart. He just brushes it off his shoulders like what i say doesn't even matter. You disrespect him when he talks shit and expect him to take your criticisms to heart? Just take his shit and ignore it, don't try to backtalk him -_- Dude you don't understand, i've been the voiceless boy for 17 years, before i decided to call him out on his shit. Thats when he stopped beating me physically cuz i told him i'll strike back.
If you truly think he stopped hitting you because you threatened to hit back, why not threaten to hit him if he touches your sister?
It's not that simple -_-
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No offense, but your dad is a dick.
You should cut it off for him. :D
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On July 13 2010 11:27 YPang wrote: Generally i feel like, i'm going to be the one that consoles my sister if she ever needs help. I got through this bullshit, and my mom seems to think w/e she's doing is fine so ill prolly leave it at that. But i feel the need to tell my sister about her options as she gets older and understands more.
except you won't be around...
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On July 13 2010 11:30 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:29 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 11:26 FragKrag wrote:On July 13 2010 11:23 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 11:18 Tenryu wrote: You ever try talking to your dad about his behavior and that this is the United fucking States of America and not China? Also your sister is 10, she's too young to know whats right or wrong. If shes getting physically abused and your father is making her think its "Okay", shes going to think its Okay. Who knows whats going to happen when she grows up.
In my opinion, although im no expert, is to sprout out the courage to tell your father, in a respective manner, of what you think about him controlling the family as he is. And judging by his answer, take the proper course of action. If you just sit by and watch, your no better then him. I think i will have to do it sometime, i feel like i should do something and not just sit and watch like i have been doing for 19 years. It's really hard for me to stay respectful, as soon as he starts talking shit to me, i respond back with similar tone, i do'nt cuss at him nor anything, but i do make sarcastic remarks at his nonsense. Occasionally i do scream at him though. However, i don't feel that he takes what i say to him to his heart. He just brushes it off his shoulders like what i say doesn't even matter. You disrespect him when he talks shit and expect him to take your criticisms to heart? Just take his shit and ignore it, don't try to backtalk him -_- Dude you don't understand, i've been the voiceless boy for 17 years, before i decided to call him out on his shit. Thats when he stopped beating me physically cuz i told him i'll strike back. If you truly think he stopped hitting you because you threatened to hit back, why not threaten to hit him if he touches your sister? It's not that simple -_- I think i've been a pussy, that time when i blew out it was just a lot of hormones going out. At the time when my sister was beat, i just felt scared, and didn't have the rage coming out.
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Wow I kinda feel the same way you do.. everytime i'm back from college its hell again. My dad rages too sometimes but he doesn't call people dumb (usually not) he just acts like a fucking baby. Sometimes my mom and him would get into a heated argument and he would not talk to the entire family for 2 weeks (most was 3 weeks were he left to go live with his brother kinda sad I know) he wouldn't eat dinner with the family and go straight to his office. One fucking time it was ridiculous it was my first time driving and i acidently bumped our basketball hoop out in the driveway it left a dent not very noticeable. One day after going home from a store he spots the tiny little dent and starts fucking raging about how we shouldn't drive. (TBH hes not such a fucking great driver himself he averages at least 1 car accident a year) anyways once during the winter he was too fucking lazy to move the car in order to take out the snow blower in the garage he decides to force its way out. we kept telling him it wouldn't fit but hes a stubborn ignorant little bitch sometimes so he forces his way out and cracks the rear bumper. Way to fucking go dumass... course he doesn't say anything and pretends it didn't happen and we dont' say anything cuz then hes gonna yell like a little bitch about it. Shit like this happens everyday at my house...
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An important thing to ask your dad is if hes sorry. Then you can decide whether to report him or not. In fact, to get an honest answer, you should threaten to report.
Honestly, hitting a 10 year old girl and locking her in a basement is NEVER right, no matter what culture your from. Ask her, and do what's the right thing for her.
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damn dude, you're pretty popular
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On July 13 2010 11:27 YPang wrote: Generally i feel like, i'm going to be the one that consoles my sister if she ever needs help. I got through this bullshit, and my mom seems to think w/e she's doing is fine so ill prolly leave it at that. But i feel the need to tell my sister about her options as she gets older and understands more.
Everyone is different, it seems like you came out of this abusive house pretty normal but who's to say what could happen to your sister? Women especially have a problem with abusive fathers, there's a chance she will have problems with male relationships when she gets older. I think you need to do something for the good of your mom and sister, stand up for them if he beats them or treats them badly since they don't seem to be doing it for themselves.
Other than that things like professional help are more up to your discretion because you know your family better than anyone, no matter how well you explain it on the internet. Imo discussion is almost always a good thing when it comes to stuff like this.
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Yeah, I think my parents are both douschebags. The only person I like in my family is my little sister, she's ten like yours. My Dad used to hit us too, but he doesn't do it anymore. He just gets mad for no fuckin reasons. One time we were on vacation to Florida, and I take a shower for too long and he gets soooo pissed and starts banging on the car's steering wheels and shit. My mom's not good either, they're in it together. My mom used to hit me too, but not anymore, she says shit that really hurts you know. They always put me down.
You're lucky though, cuz you're in college, and you can move and never ever have to see your dad again. I feel so sorry for your sister though. Anyone that does that to girl her age is a fuckin maniac. I remember one day and my sister was watching a movie, my dad comes to watch it with her, but my sister says she prefers to watch it alone. My dad gets so pissed off and starts hitting and slapping my sister, my mom had to come and hold my dad back. I couldn't help because I was so young back then, I felt so sorry to my sister cuz I couldn't do anything. I'm in high school right now, I can't wait to get to college and get on with my life. Another thing is that my parents are so fucking poor. My dad's been trying to get his phd for 9 years now. Through all that, we've lived in and still live in a college apartment, don't get fuckin cable, have slowass internet, I can't even play SC2 cuz of the computer. I'm not trying to be spoiled, but I really don't get any of the thing I want as a child. When I do get stuff, it's cuz the other Korean kids got them and my parents don't want themselves to look bad in front of others.
And like I said, we live in a tiny apartment and I really would like privacy, but my parents don't let me lock the door anymore, and don't let me do anything. It feels like I'm living in a prison.
I think that we both should know that we can't turn out like our parents did. I swore to myself that I would not get my kids to hate me. If they did, I said I deserved to rot in hell. That's what I think we need to get from this. We should not make the same mistakes they did. And I swore to myself that I would not see my parents or ever call them when I grow up to show how badly they messed up. I have contemplated suicide many times and even choked myself with a jump rope one time. You should never see your dad ever again. I will meet my sister and check up on her, but I will never unless I have to see my parents when I grow up.
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So many stories about bad Asian dads on TL.net. Just letting some of you know that NOT all Asian dads are like that, mine is cool/chill as fuck.
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Ooh, I have a ten year old sibling and I'm going into sophomore year too. hey YPang check my earlier post again.
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I think that we both should know that we can't turn out like our parents did. I swore to myself that I would not get my kids to hate me. If they did, I said I deserved to rot in hell. That's what I think we need to get from this. We should not make the same mistakes they did. And I swore to myself that I would not see my parents or ever call them when I grow up to show how badly they messed up. I have contemplated suicide many times and even choked myself with a jump rope one time. You should never see your dad ever again. I will meet my sister and check up on her, but I will never unless I have to see my parents when I grow up. wow man, this is actually exactly how i feel. Except i never attempted suicide, thought about it though. I have also set a promise to myself to never turn out like my dad, and i would keep telling myself if i ever became abusive to my children, or a wife beater i might just as well call the cops and get myself into jail.
I can't play sc2 either my pc sux too much . But ya i totally feel you man. I think i have it a little better than you do. My dad doesn't go berzerk when we tell him we don't wanna watch a movie with him T.T
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I'm sorry about your situation. It can be really tough and a father acting like that is not excusable. That said, in times like this you have to man up and be as mature as you can even if your father is not. It's really hard, but respond to moments of irrational anger with coolness. But please watch out for the sister, at only 10 years old things have a really big impact, if he crosses the line with her you have to do something.
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Hey YPang, I really wonder: Why does your sister think it's okay what her father does to her?
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Mom still pinches my brother and beats him if the weather is too hot. Bitch. He always has marks on his body. The emotional abuse however is far worse. How often do you think of suicide YPang?
Things should be better for your little sister than they were for you. She has a big brother for support. ya the emotiona abuse is far worse, i feel lucky because personally i don't think i've suffered that much emotionally. I just get scared when i was in high school when a bad report card came. It felt like i was standing in the middle of a war field and didn't know if i was gonna get out of it alive. As soon as i heard the garage open of my dad coming back to see my shitty report card, my body shivered like crazy.
And i used to think about what it'd be like if i was dead when i was a freshman-junior, especially with all the ACT/SAT stuff that was piled on my back. My parents got my ACT/SAT books literally from friends, bookstores that stacked up about 4 feet tall. I only did about 3 practice tests and my results were FAR worse than i expected. I got a 27 on ACT, thats pretty bad for an asian.
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Well I think you could have a chat.. a manly chat with your father. Now I know that may sound dumb, and you might be thinking "Asian parents... talking... LOL!"
I can't really explain... but it doesnt have to be a cheesy intervention/teenage drama BS kind of talk. Whatever you feel is best to communicate to the man. Let him know its serious and important.
Dont have to be disrespectful, and definitely dont get sucked into trading rage lowblows or sidetracked by non issues. You will probably get more insults and shit yelled at you, brush them off and make your point.
If he's just a really stressed out dude, I think he should still be able to see reason, and probably cares about his family. And doesnt want to harm them(esp the 10 yr old). Sometimes people just get tunnel vision and go blind to other people around them. It happens to everyone, (not just 'dem Asians' ... but thats a topic for another day. :D )
That said, If you feel he's too crazy to even make a simple point to without increasing violence or potential to get benoited, then thats extremely bad.Then I guess something like CPS or police is justified.. But from reading this, i suspect its the former case.
gl, Kind of odd thing to say, but please try not to get too depressed about this Do the best you can with the variables which you can control.
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On July 13 2010 11:43 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 11:40 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Ooh, I have a ten year old sibling and I'm going into sophomore year too. hey YPang check my earlier post again. *cries* You're such a great contributer. It's people like you that make this site great! Hey YPang, I really wonder: Why does your sister think it's okay what her father does to her? You know, i'm not sure i've never asked her that. She seems like a cheerful person always bothering me with annoying questions and asking what im up to. I'd often tell her to shut up and go away cuz she's so up beat. lol
I think perhaps when she goes to middle school/high school she'll start to feel different as she start to share her family habits with other kids. Plus hormone may also play a bigger part.
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I'm sorry about your situation, and hopefully your family can resolve it peacefully before it gets worse. But have you tried seeking outside help (church groups or any other social organizations)? If your sister has any close friends, I would highly recommend getting your sister away from the house more often and maybe talk to their families about the situation? I would imagine they would be sympathetic enough to at least offer some kind of help, if not to just to make your sister get away from the hell that is your family currently.
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Perhaps he doesn't trust your mom/sister that they trust his judgment/control. It's unfortunate that he's disproved himself even more. It's difficult to be diplomatic when everyone is so angry with each other and stubborn in forgiveness. My advice to you is fill in the gaps as far as putting your foot down as to inappropriate behavior. Respect your father where he wishes/deserves to be respected and demand explanations (but remember it's difficult to explain yourself / give reasons when you feel those reasons (imo unmet demands) expose vulnerability).
My bottom line though FEAR within the family is not allowed!
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At this point it doesn't seem like you can do anything about your mom unless she herself composes enough courage to stand up and leave. I know a lot of men like your dad and they are beyond salvation (your mom and similar women likewise). You just can't help people with their problems fully unless they want the situation to change. It sucks but it's what I've seen and learned from the people around me. Focus on yourself and your sister and try your best so that the generation that comes after you have a better environment.
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On July 13 2010 11:57 koreasilver wrote: At this point it doesn't seem like you can do anything about your mom unless she herself composes enough courage to stand up and leave. I know a lot of men like your dad and they are beyond salvation (your mom and similar women likewise). You just can't help people with their problems fully unless they want the situation to change. It sucks but it's what I've seen and learned from the people around me. Focus on yourself and your sister and try your best so that the generation that comes after you have a better environment. I agree, i think that my mom think she's fortunate to be married to my dad, because my mom didn't do good in school @ china, barely passed through high school. But she considers herself lucky because she married a man with wits and smart, and she managed to come out of her country. A goal that many chinese women want and envy.
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On July 13 2010 11:40 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +I think that we both should know that we can't turn out like our parents did. I swore to myself that I would not get my kids to hate me. If they did, I said I deserved to rot in hell. That's what I think we need to get from this. We should not make the same mistakes they did. And I swore to myself that I would not see my parents or ever call them when I grow up to show how badly they messed up. I have contemplated suicide many times and even choked myself with a jump rope one time. You should never see your dad ever again. I will meet my sister and check up on her, but I will never unless I have to see my parents when I grow up. wow man, this is actually exactly how i feel. Except i never attempted suicide, thought about it though. I have also set a promise to myself to never turn out like my dad, and i would keep telling myself if i ever became abusive to my children, or a wife beater i might just as well call the cops and get myself into jail. I can't play sc2 either my pc sux too much  . But ya i totally feel you man. I think i have it a little better than you do. My dad doesn't go berzerk when we tell him we don't wanna watch a movie with him T.T Through my observations, it's the subtle/unnoticeable cues that people end up copying from their parents .... often with the same result. It's very difficult to escape, since your idea of normal behavior is always going to be based off them. Things like how do you deal with problems/anger, when it's appropriate to lash out, and especially how much respect you think "lesser" people should treat you with.
Just saying I'm not going to hit/yell at my kids isn't enough.
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I'm going to tell you a lot of these advice here are awful. In fact, they're probably completely bunk because they don't really understand your actual situation which is fairly common among immigrant Asian families with only one bread winner especially if the family is poor. I'm going to take a fairly controversial view here and just flat out say, you're 19 and descendant of Asian immigrants and not at all in touch with the differences in privileges that your peers will get and that you get. Unfortunately, as much as you will want to run away from it, you will have to step up your responsibility game and suck it up compared to them. Eventually you'll realize that your dad does this because as your mom already said, he's the only one who is dealing with any sort of fiscal responsibility right now. If you think getting ranted at and bitched at is too much to deal with, you probably wont' be able to handle what he's going through. I tell you this because my mom is ten times worse than your dad. And I reacted a lot of the way you, yourself did.
However, now older, I know in many ways, it's because immigrant parents really don't know what the fuck they're doing most of the time but at the end of the day they still mean well. Because they will struggle and take a WHOLE LOT MORE SHIT than you do to put food on your table, a roof over your head and bail you out of your college bills (You're honestly not thinking straight if you really think your dad is going to expect you to pay him back. Think about it, wtf is he going to do with the money when he's gone besides leave it to you and your sis? He's just saying that cause he doesn't want to encourage you to be a hobo). <=Trust me on this.
My lasting advice to you is this. Yes, you're off to being an adult a lot earlier than most of your peers but you're going to have to suck it up and realize life isn't fair. But ten years from now, you're going to look back and realize that your character is going to built out of a lot tougher stuff than most because of it and you'll come out the better.
One more thing, honestly you can choose to think most of my post is bullshit or what not but at least consider this. Do NOT follow the more "Western themed" advice, it doesn't work because your household and experience doesn't follow that mold. There is an old Asian saying, "The first generation sacrifices, the second generation suffers, the third generation prospers." Ultimately, that is how your parents are going to think. They want you to do better than them, so your grandkids can have the life them and you don't. You can run away from this now but ultimately you'll going to have this realization too.
PS. Sorry if I come off sounding a little harsh here. I do sympathize a lot with you and am more than happy to listen to any pm's, etc you want to shoot my way.
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Yeah, your sister thinking this is ok is wrong. You should try asking her why she thinks that. Hopefully its not because she's being confused and mislead in a threatening way =\. But anyways when i meant respectful i meant like, talk to him in an understanding way and you know lay the common things out like, "Hey i know your bringing the dough to the house and helping me go through school financially and putting food on our table but.." then lay down your feelings in the matter and explain why u think this is destroying the family and what u plan on doing if things continue the way they are. At the very least let him know of his actions towards a 10 year old girl. That shit is cowardly and weak as fuck. But like u said, he's prolly gonna brush it off his shoulder and basically ignore it, but atleast u tried. Now you know that words wont save him, and most definetly not your sister.
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On July 13 2010 12:04 KissBlade wrote: I'm going to tell you a lot of these advice here are awful. In fact, they're probably completely bunk because they don't really understand your actual situation which is fairly common among immigrant Asian families with only one bread winner especially if the family is poor. I'm going to take a fairly controversial view here and just flat out say, you're 19 and descendant of Asian immigrants and not at all in touch with the differences in privileges that your peers will get and that you get. Unfortunately, as much as you will want to run away from it, you will have to step up your responsibility game and suck it up compared to them. Eventually you'll realize that your dad does this because as your mom already said, he's the only one who is dealing with any sort of fiscal responsibility right now. If you think getting ranted at and bitched at is too much to deal with, you probably wont' be able to handle what he's going through. I tell you this because my mom is ten times worse than your dad. And I reacted a lot of the way you, yourself did.
However, now older, I know in many ways, it's because immigrant parents really don't know what the fuck they're doing most of the time but at the end of the day they still mean well. Because they will struggle and take a WHOLE LOT MORE SHIT than you do to put food on your table, a roof over your head and bail you out of your college bills (You're honestly not thinking straight if you really think your dad is going to expect you to pay him back. Think about it, wtf is he going to do with the money when he's gone besides leave it to you and your sis? He's just saying that cause he doesn't want to encourage you to be a hobo). <=Trust me on this.
My lasting advice to you is this. Yes, you're off to being an adult a lot earlier than most of your peers but you're going to have to suck it up and realize life isn't fair. But ten years from now, you're going to look back and realize that your character is going to built out of a lot tougher stuff than most because of it and you'll come out the better.
One more thing, honestly you can choose to think most of my post is bullshit or what not but at least consider this. Do NOT follow the more "Western themed" advice, it doesn't work because your household and experience doesn't follow that mold. There is an old Asian saying, "The first generation sacrifices, the second generation suffers, the third generation prospers." Ultimately, that is how your parents are going to think. They want you to do better than them, so your grandkids can have the life them and you don't. You can run away from this now but ultimately you'll going to have this realization too.
PS. Sorry if I come off sounding a little harsh here. I do sympathize a lot with you and am more than happy to listen to any pm's, etc you want to shoot my way.
wow those are some wise word. No I totally udnerstand you. In fact i do feel the same way, except i do act in rage because i often feel like his actions are unrational, and he's not incontrol of his own emotions when he constantly lectures me to be patient. And everytime i'd scream at him, he'd piss me off even more and say "If that's how you talk to your boss you'll get fired and go nowhere" And i'd get even more pissed because that totally makes no sense and he's nothing like my boss nor anything like that lol...
I went on a tangent, but regardless i do understand, and im just really grinding my times, and try my best to get my sister out of it too. And as for the
You're honestly not thinking straight if you really think your dad is going to expect you to pay him back. Think about it, wtf is he going to do with the money when he's gone besides leave it to you and your sis? He's just saying that cause he doesn't want to encourage you to be a hobo I think he does actuallly wants me to pay it back, he's talked to it with my mom on their after dinner walks, he would say like "i expect my son to pay me back but not necessarily 100%, just like 85-90% is good". Because he wants that money to pay for my sister's tuition, and ultimatly wants my sister to repay him back for his retirement.
But honestly though, i don't really care about the money i pay him back. Hell, i'd be gladly to pay him back if he could just keep his attitude down, and stop being unrational about little issues that doesn't even matter in the long run. Thats what i want, i don't care about college tuition $$$.
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You know, I get really frustrated with my parents. They do idiotic things, they say idiotic things, and generally just irritate me to no end. But more and more, I realize that relatively, they're not that bad. They've never hit me, they've never insulted me (well, they have but not seriously), they've never threatened me or anything like that. We've never shouted at each other. It's just that we've grown to become different people with different viewpoints, and I just happen to think that mine's right. Then, I go to school. My school's almost completely comprised of Asian students... and Jesus Christ. There are so many horror stories. China and Chinese people (and I guess Asians in general) are really being caught in changing times. You've got the old, completely useless and backwards (to be blunt on this one) Confucian traditions on the one side and you've got massive fucking bitterness from the world wars and Communist period (and associated poverty, misery, etc.) on the other side. It just seems like they're disconnected from the 'real world'; or at least the one that exists here, now. It's not that that makes it okay, but I have to believe that these kinds of feelings (if not these kinds of actions) are widespread among first-generation immigrants. There's no way that stories like the OP's are unique.
EDIT: I don't agree that you should put up with what he's doing because he's going through a lot of hardship for the family. Of course he is. They all are. That doesn't make it right. It doesn't matter of he means well deep down or not, because he's still deluded. Force him to take the red pill. How about this: instead of calling child services, confront him yourself. First say that you appreciate all he's doing for the family, all the work he's doing, all that. But he cannot keep raging at you like this. Tell him that if he tries to calm down and treat you guys better everything will turn out better in the end. There is nothing that he can do to you that you cannot get through. This is not about Western or Asian, this is about right and wrong and you cannot back down on this.
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On July 13 2010 12:04 KissBlade wrote: I'm going to tell you a lot of these advice here are awful. In fact, they're probably completely bunk because they don't really understand your actual situation which is fairly common among immigrant Asian families with only one bread winner especially if the family is poor. I'm going to take a fairly controversial view here and just flat out say, you're 19 and descendant of Asian immigrants and not at all in touch with the differences in privileges that your peers will get and that you get. Unfortunately, as much as you will want to run away from it, you will have to step up your responsibility game and suck it up compared to them. Eventually you'll realize that your dad does this because as your mom already said, he's the only one who is dealing with any sort of fiscal responsibility right now. If you think getting ranted at and bitched at is too much to deal with, you probably wont' be able to handle what he's going through. I tell you this because my mom is ten times worse than your dad. And I reacted a lot of the way you, yourself did.
However, now older, I know in many ways, it's because immigrant parents really don't know what the fuck they're doing most of the time but at the end of the day they still mean well. Because they will struggle and take a WHOLE LOT MORE SHIT than you do to put food on your table, a roof over your head and bail you out of your college bills (You're honestly not thinking straight if you really think your dad is going to expect you to pay him back. Think about it, wtf is he going to do with the money when he's gone besides leave it to you and your sis? He's just saying that cause he doesn't want to encourage you to be a hobo). <=Trust me on this.
My lasting advice to you is this. Yes, you're off to being an adult a lot earlier than most of your peers but you're going to have to suck it up and realize life isn't fair. But ten years from now, you're going to look back and realize that your character is going to built out of a lot tougher stuff than most because of it and you'll come out the better.
One more thing, honestly you can choose to think most of my post is bullshit or what not but at least consider this. Do NOT follow the more "Western themed" advice, it doesn't work because your household and experience doesn't follow that mold. There is an old Asian saying, "The first generation sacrifices, the second generation suffers, the third generation prospers." Ultimately, that is how your parents are going to think. They want you to do better than them, so your grandkids can have the life them and you don't. You can run away from this now but ultimately you'll going to have this realization too.
PS. Sorry if I come off sounding a little harsh here. I do sympathize a lot with you and am more than happy to listen to any pm's, etc you want to shoot my way.
That was a great post. All I have to dispute is on what level they still mean well. It's like they will say that they mean well, but in reality subconsciously care only for themselves.
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Another issue i think its important to bring up is that asian parents like to compare their kids with others. They always bring up how successful the other parent's kid is and make you feel how worthless you are. Lol. I've had talks with friends with a lot of 1st generation asian parents, and they say their parents all do this.
I think that's also another big issue that puts pressure on kids, they subconsciously expect american schools to be similar to chinese, where they put the kids with lowest test scores on one side and highest on the other in a single filed line.
But to be honest, that cultrue of comparing child's academic success and relate it to their worth as a person is total bullshit. in china they place SO MUCH importance in your class rank. Because chinese colleges don't have time to go over each applicant with carefulness and thought, they just pick the ones with the highest scores because the population is so pact.
my 2cents.
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He's not "rational" in any Western sense. Let's face it, he's pretty much probably still mired in backwards anachronistic thinking. But the thing is, I just want you to stick into your head, at the end of the day, he is still going to want you to do better than he did. In fact, if you ever want to just make good terms with him, just tell him straight up one day (And I know this will take a lot of balls cause it took me a LONG time before I ever said to my mom) "Look I know what you want is the best for me. And you want what's the best for my sister. Please if you think we fuck up next time, just let us know. There's no point being angry with it because I know your situation is hard but let us try to fix it."
If you can't say it that to him, just accept that he's going to be irrational. As you said, he's a smart guy and probably very capable if I assume correctly. He's in a hostile country where he has to take a lot of shit when he could've just stayed in China and made a ton of bucks. The way he sees it is, he came to this country and has to endure all of this for you and your family. He's not going to be rational. He's not even going to be happy anytime soon. The only thing you can do is do the best you can to PROVE to him that you're going to be able to do it. And trust me, the day you do that, the day you're going to make him a very happy man.
And every time no matter how much you get pissed at him, just remember that one thing. My mother scalded my hands till they got blistered as fuck when I was 6 and didn't tie my shoelaces fast enough. I know that if I needed money badly, she'll even sell the clothe on her own back for me. I guarantee you, your father feels the same about you because you're the same as me, the eldest son. But as dumb as it sounds, unfortunately it's like that quote, "With great power, comes great responsibility". Except, it 's all on you. =\
^^ Of course, they do it for themselves too. At the end of the day, the only thing they know about parental roles is that they have to make X sacrifices, work X hours, endure X for their kids. And honestly, in some ways, their pride is how their kids turn out. But I just want to say this. Picture all the dreams and goals you have for yourself. Picture all the things you know you like to do for fun, etc. If worst comes to worst, you and still just, hang out with some friend. Now swap to their view. They had those same things when they were young. And now it's replaced with holding up the family roof on their own to make sure they can provide for their kids to have those luxuries.
OP. more than anything, I can guarantee your father is just a very lonely worried individual. Let him know, he doesn't have to be alone on this.
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"Look I know what you want is the best for me. And you want what's the best for my sister. Please if you think we fuck up next time, just let us know. There's no point being angry with it because I know your situation is hard but let us try to fix it."
hahahaha, thats exactly what i tell my parents, "let me fix my own problems, you don't have to help me, infact i don't want your help"... But their counter argument is always "well look at your high school grades, they suck, especially your senior one". Lol they want me to study 15 horus a day during weekends. LITERALLY no joke, like a studying progamer. But i developped seniorities and didn't really study as much as they thought i did. So now they're worried about my college future for cuz they thought i studied so much and still got bad grades.
But there's no way i can go up to them and just say "Hey you know i didn't really try that hard in high school" they'll flip out knowing that i didn't study 15 hours a day LOLOLOL
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As for jumper's post, dude, you don't understand, my fantasy of leaving home and washing dishes and getting a bank loan for college appears everyday. I'd GLADLY do that than to stay at home. But when i do bring it up, they think i'm joking... and just say "haha you just say that, but you can't endure pain".
...Fucken bullshit, i endured you guys for 19 years, washing dishes will be a walk on a beach.
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On July 13 2010 12:36 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +"Look I know what you want is the best for me. And you want what's the best for my sister. Please if you think we fuck up next time, just let us know. There's no point being angry with it because I know your situation is hard but let us try to fix it."
hahahaha, thats exactly what i tell my parents, "let me fix my own problems, you don't have to help me, infact i don't want your help"... But their counter argument is always "well look at your high school grades, they suck, especially your senior one".
Well you don't want to say "let me fix my own problems." That'll never work =).
Like I said, what I told you to say is a LOT tougher. It's actually letting them know you understand. Saying "Let me fix my own problems" is an easy teenage rebellious cop out version of that. Sure, what you really mean to say is "Look I know you guys mean well for me and I don't always do the right thing. But I'm trying and I hope you guys see that". Because the latter is something from the inside and it's not something we can say to parents who yell at us everyday. Because at that point, they feel like your parents, your friends but also your enemy all at the same time and it's damn hard to pull something raw from inside you.
You sure as fuck don't want to run away and wash dishes for the rest of your life though. That's like fighting a backwards approach with more backwardness.
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On July 13 2010 12:39 Jumperer wrote: I call fucken bullshit on you because you are still at your house. Leave them a note, tell them how fucked up they are. Then Go out there and do it. Hell, you can set up a paypal account and I'm sure some people will donate you some money. You can find some TL.net guys and crash with them somewhere. haha i got a few friends i can count on. Usually at night when i can't sleep i think about what i'd do if i was kicked out of the house. Accepting donations is against my philosophy though T_T.
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The fact that you have considered suicide means your sister is very likely thinking about it too. Grow some balls and listen to what people are fucking telling you in this thread for her sake.
Fuck the bullshit Asian apologists in this thread trying to justify your dad's actions in any way (KissBlade in particular). Your sister being beaten in the face and having to suffer belt whippings? That's child abuse.
Not Asian cultural suffering for your children bullshit.
Child fucking abuse. If this was a white family no-one would question that the father deserves jail.
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Join the army, that'll get there attention.
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You need to figure something out before you leave for college, because unless something changes, your mom and your sister will have to deal with your absence, and your dad will probably channel his violence more towards them when you're not there.
Seriously, something drastic needs to happen. You have a 10 year old sister for god's sake.
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On July 13 2010 12:42 Pineapple wrote: The fact that you have considered suicide means your sister is very likely thinking about it too. Grow some balls and listen to what people are fucking telling you in this thread for her sake.
Fuck the bullshit Asian apologists in this thread trying to justify your dad's actions in any way (KissBlade in particular). Your sister being beaten in the face and having to suffer belt whippings? That's child abuse.
Not Asian cultural suffering for your children bullshit.
Child fucking abuse. If this was a white family no-one would question that the father deserves jail.
This is not the time for your PC nonsense. You obviously don't realize the seriousness of the situation here. Him following your shit advice can ruin his life. If you don't know about these issues, don't comment. It is simple as that. It is frustrating to read this crap because despite what well meaning some people may have, it's all just DRIVEL that they have in this idealistic world they put themselves in. They have no idea that some of the stuff they're putting forth, people are actually reading as legitimate and taking into consideration. That alone is very fucking scary to me and why I decided to post here cause I normally I don't touch blog life advice threads with a stick. In fact, I implore future would be posters to think before they post "Do I actually have experience understanding this matter?" If the answer is NO, then DON'T POST.
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On July 13 2010 12:04 KissBlade wrote: If you think getting ranted at and bitched at is too much to deal with, you probably wont' be able to handle what he's going through. I tell you this because my mom is ten times worse than your dad. Did your mom kill your siblings?
My lasting advice to you is this. Yes, you're off to being an adult a lot earlier than most of your peers but you're going to have to suck it up and realize life isn't fair. But ten years from now, you're going to look back and realize that your character is going to built out of a lot tougher stuff than most because of it and you'll come out the better.
disagree, you may be "tougher" in some situations, but you will be depressed and have a lot of shit to deal with down the road. The only good thing to come of bad parenting is a stark lesson in what not to do. Hopefully you can take it as that and not end up like your dad using his childhood abuse to explain away his bad judgment you.
Other than that I agree with the post mostly...Chinese immigrants are a pretty hardcore bunch. It's up to you how much of that is wise to live your life by. I suggest not beating your kids, no matter how much it "toughens them up."
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It all makes sense now...
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I agree with the majority of what kissblade has said.
One thing I feel like I have to stress though is to try to keep your sister in mind. It's too bad that you are already leaving but try to be as supportive and talk to her. The influence an older sibling has on a younger one can be very great, try not to brush her off as annoying all the time. It might seem trivial to you but it's not to her.
Also yeah the whole asian studying for 15 hrs a day/comparing you to other ppl stuff is obviously irritating. But as ppl have said, it's partially because the father feels like he sacrificed a lot so you could have success. So in college, at least do enough to get good grades. Don't blow things off out of spite.
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I find it a bit disturbing how far some are going to rationalize this sort of behavior. Yes, a significant cultural rift exists between western and eastern families and there are different attitudes and philosophies how to best raise children- but a distinct line is crossed when strict parenting becomes emotional and physical abuse. Of course his father is under severe stress. All parents are at one time or another. If this stress makes you harm your family in these ways, you have utterly failed as a parent. The responsibility they shoulder does not grant them the right to be a tyrant. I appreciate that it takes great strength of character to love your parents after the things you have gone through, KissBlade, but it seems as though your own hardships have made you very jaded to all this. It should not be viewed as normal or trivialized or it will make it easier for this sort of behavior to ruin childhoods for generations to come.
I had some problems with my dad as a kid. Nothing physical, fortunately, but he would get in moods where he was extremely bitter and would yell at us a lot about nothing in particular. Other days he would seem almost unnaturally happy and forgiving. I've lately begun to suspect he has bipolar disorder. Anyway, my parents divorced when I was around 11 and I think it's been a great thing for all of us. My mom has never had much money, but she's managed to get by. I live with her (when not at school) and I see my dad a couple times a week. It's a good setup because I can stay as long as we're enjoying each other's company and I can leave if he starts to get worked up.
I'm not saying that going to CPS and trying to break your family up is the right move for you. It probably isn't, especially if your mom is so accepting of the situation. I can only say that the split worked out well for me and the rest of my childhood was much better. You're nearly out of the picture and your mom seems to be accepting of her fate, but I'm going to mirror the rest of the posts in here and say that you should focus on improving things for your sister. If that means talking things over with your dad and being sympathetic to his situation, so be it. I don't think he deserves it, but your sister does.
Good luck.
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On July 13 2010 12:48 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 12:42 Pineapple wrote: The fact that you have considered suicide means your sister is very likely thinking about it too. Grow some balls and listen to what people are fucking telling you in this thread for her sake.
Fuck the bullshit Asian apologists in this thread trying to justify your dad's actions in any way (KissBlade in particular). Your sister being beaten in the face and having to suffer belt whippings? That's child abuse.
Not Asian cultural suffering for your children bullshit.
Child fucking abuse. If this was a white family no-one would question that the father deserves jail. This is not the time for your PC nonsense. You obviously don't realize the seriousness of the situation here. Him following your shit advice can ruin his life. If you don't know about these issues, don't comment. It is simple as that. It is frustrating to read this crap because despite what well meaning some people may have, it's all just DRIVEL that they have in this idealistic world they put themselves in. They have no idea that some of the stuff they're putting forth, people are actually reading as legitimate and taking into consideration. That alone is very fucking scary to me and why I decided to post here cause I normally I don't touch blog life advice threads with a stick. In fact, I implore future would be posters to think before they post "Do I actually have experience understanding this matter?" If the answer is NO, then DON'T POST.
ok wtf, not beating the shit out of your ten year old daughter with a fucking belt is fucking "PC nonsense"? That line is the biggest load of shit I have heard in a long time. And I don't have to be Asian or in an immigrant family to recognize that. I could fucking live in a cave and tell you thats completely retarded, damaging, and immoral. If you think there's any sort of cultural background or extenuating circumstances that makes beating and kicking a fucking little kid acceptable then I don't really have anything to say to you except I hope you never reproduce.
If you care to explain in a more reasonable fashion what advice you don't suggest YPang takes due to life ruining repercussions and why, I'd love to hear it.Because what you just wrote appears batshit insane.
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Ok i figured out the financial issue!
1. Call Child Protective Services and talk with your mom about it. 2. Enlist in the army! Lots of benefits, you can get enlistment bonus's up to $20+ grand. 3. Send the money you make back to your family to help out(my father did this with his family and it worked out pretty well from what he said. Not to mention you really dont need your full paycheck. Only thing you'll be paying for is basically just your cell-phone bill and your car payment if u have one. The army pays for your living and your food, which really isnt as bad as what people think. Breakfast is amazing), as well as when u get your bonus pay(you have to get through basic + AIT before u can get your enlistment bonus) 4. Have the army pay college for you. The army has some amazing benefits when it comes to schooling. I know when i get out in 2 yrs the army will provide me up to $68 grand for college. Of course you can still go school while being in the military, alot of people do it. I chose the latter cuz i was lazy. 5. Get a freind to join with u and u get an extra $1000 or i think it might've even changed to $2000. Dont quite remember 
Talk to your recruiter for more info on how the G.I Bill works and shit :D
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This is what happens when you listen with your eyes and read with your ears. You act as if I condone this behavior. I never stated any of that. What I stated was how he could understand the full situation and how he should assess reacting to it. What I said is PC nonsense is a) running away from home, washing dishes b) calling child services c) confronting his dad. NONE of these will fix anything. If anything it will make it far fucking worse because what happens if his dad ultimately realizes none of what he's doing is worth it? He quits his job and will you donate anything beyond "helpful advice" to "Help Ypang's family out"?
BTW Sobek, Asian spanking isn't the same as Westerns. Asian parents will NEVER "beat the shit" out of their kids because to them certain areas, especially the head, though if they get REALLY angry they do give a smack there, (cause intelligence is important as hell) and spine (obvious reasons) are completely off limits. Most hits are delivered to slaps, or spanks to the bum or pinches and occasional hair pulling. Does it make it justifiable? Not in certain senses of course. But I want to clear up your idea of "beating the shit out of" cause like I said, it's exactly those kind of posts that annoy me because you clearly have no idea what's going on and yet still desire to insert input. At least read, ask questions before you post.
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On July 13 2010 13:01 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 12:48 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 12:42 Pineapple wrote: The fact that you have considered suicide means your sister is very likely thinking about it too. Grow some balls and listen to what people are fucking telling you in this thread for her sake.
Fuck the bullshit Asian apologists in this thread trying to justify your dad's actions in any way (KissBlade in particular). Your sister being beaten in the face and having to suffer belt whippings? That's child abuse.
Not Asian cultural suffering for your children bullshit.
Child fucking abuse. If this was a white family no-one would question that the father deserves jail. This is not the time for your PC nonsense. You obviously don't realize the seriousness of the situation here. Him following your shit advice can ruin his life. If you don't know about these issues, don't comment. It is simple as that. It is frustrating to read this crap because despite what well meaning some people may have, it's all just DRIVEL that they have in this idealistic world they put themselves in. They have no idea that some of the stuff they're putting forth, people are actually reading as legitimate and taking into consideration. That alone is very fucking scary to me and why I decided to post here cause I normally I don't touch blog life advice threads with a stick. In fact, I implore future would be posters to think before they post "Do I actually have experience understanding this matter?" If the answer is NO, then DON'T POST. ok wtf, not beating the shit out of your ten year old daughter with a fucking belt is fucking "PC nonsense"? That line is the biggest load of shit I have heard in a long time. And I don't have to be Asian or in an immigrant family to recognize that. I could fucking live in a cave and tell you thats completely retarded, damaging, and immoral. If you think there's any sort of cultural background or extenuating circumstances that makes beating and kicking a fucking little kid acceptable then I don't really have anything to say to you except I hope you never reproduce. If you care to explain in a more reasonable fashion what advice you don't suggest YPang takes due to life ruining repercussions and why, I'd love to hear it.Because what you just wrote appears batshit insane. if he does, his family is fucked. his dad is the only one who makes money, his sister wont be any happier because she will be poor and wont have a dad in her life anymore. her life is miserable either way, might as well be miserable with money though.
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It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals.
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well, i say we donate 1$ each to seriously pwn this guy, i mean really literally, who's with me?
A) we learn when he is most alone, B) we give him some of his own medicine C) i preach him about life, while i poke him irregularly with acupuncture needles. D) we eat all his food and then steal his car crash it into his house, all the while you guys are midnight moving in the afternoon behind his back, closer to your college and !
seriously though, life's like that for some, shitty deal tho, im mostly worried about the sister, and the mother, you seem pretty hardened to it by now. Best of luck to them both sir. I wish them well. 
child services isnt the best, they mostly ruin families, in this case its not a good idea, i donno how they work in the states, but here in canada, you get a surprise visit, they walk in like they own you and your fucking house telling you that this piece of furniture is a hazard let us take your kids now? wtf go fuck yourself imo. (child services that is)
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On July 13 2010 13:03 Tenryu wrote:Ok i figured out the financial issue! 1. Call Child Protective Services and talk with your mom about it. 2. Enlist in the army! Lots of benefits, you can get enlistment bonus's up to $20+ grand. 3. Send the money you make back to your family to help out(my father did this with his family and it worked out pretty well from what he said. Not to mention you really dont need your full paycheck. Only thing you'll be paying for is basically just your cell-phone bill and your car payment if u have one. The army pays for your living and your food, which really isnt as bad as what people think. Breakfast is amazing), as well as when u get your bonus pay(you have to get through basic + AIT before u can get your enlistment bonus) 4. Have the army pay college for you. The army has some amazing benefits when it comes to schooling. I know when i get out in 2 yrs the army will provide me up to $68 grand for college. Of course you can still go school while being in the military, alot of people do it. I chose the latter cuz i was lazy. 5. Get a freind to join with u and u get an extra $1000 or i think it might've even changed to $2000. Dont quite remember  Talk to your recruiter for more info on how the G.I Bill works and shit :D
haha, my college is a 6 year program, and during the 3rd year they do major cuts around 30% some due to shitty grades, lack of interest, nor lack of financial funding. So i told myself if i ever get academically cut i'm just going to join the army and repay my debt with that army money, and plus they'll also pay for my college. I told that to my mother she was totally against it. But i think if i ever do get cut, i will join army regardless of what they say :\
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unless someone is being seriously physically harmed, or tortured, or mentally fucked with(i mean like brainwashed/corrupted), or molested - calling child services is a bad idea and not justified. don't give ridiculous and shitty advice.
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ITT idiots that have no understanding that believe drastic, singular measures are an answer to all situations objectively.
Welcome to the new generation! The sheltered, the complacent, the ignorant.
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On July 13 2010 13:06 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:01 sob3k wrote:On July 13 2010 12:48 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 12:42 Pineapple wrote: The fact that you have considered suicide means your sister is very likely thinking about it too. Grow some balls and listen to what people are fucking telling you in this thread for her sake.
Fuck the bullshit Asian apologists in this thread trying to justify your dad's actions in any way (KissBlade in particular). Your sister being beaten in the face and having to suffer belt whippings? That's child abuse.
Not Asian cultural suffering for your children bullshit.
Child fucking abuse. If this was a white family no-one would question that the father deserves jail. This is not the time for your PC nonsense. You obviously don't realize the seriousness of the situation here. Him following your shit advice can ruin his life. If you don't know about these issues, don't comment. It is simple as that. It is frustrating to read this crap because despite what well meaning some people may have, it's all just DRIVEL that they have in this idealistic world they put themselves in. They have no idea that some of the stuff they're putting forth, people are actually reading as legitimate and taking into consideration. That alone is very fucking scary to me and why I decided to post here cause I normally I don't touch blog life advice threads with a stick. In fact, I implore future would be posters to think before they post "Do I actually have experience understanding this matter?" If the answer is NO, then DON'T POST. ok wtf, not beating the shit out of your ten year old daughter with a fucking belt is fucking "PC nonsense"? That line is the biggest load of shit I have heard in a long time. And I don't have to be Asian or in an immigrant family to recognize that. I could fucking live in a cave and tell you thats completely retarded, damaging, and immoral. If you think there's any sort of cultural background or extenuating circumstances that makes beating and kicking a fucking little kid acceptable then I don't really have anything to say to you except I hope you never reproduce. If you care to explain in a more reasonable fashion what advice you don't suggest YPang takes due to life ruining repercussions and why, I'd love to hear it.Because what you just wrote appears batshit insane. if he does, his family is fucked. his dad is the only one who makes money, his sister wont be any happier because she will be poor and wont have a dad in her life anymore. her life is miserable either way, might as well be miserable with money though.
I don't even know what you are responding too with "If he does"....I'm assuming calling CPS, which I advocate only if he looks into their response and it looks helpful or it seems his sister is in danger.
I refer you to previous post explaining that CPS will not break up his family barring serious threat of injury. If his dad is so fucking pitiful that he abandons both his children and his wife as a response to counseling then I say good riddance.
As for the (unrealistic) situation you described, I would much rather be poor than be beaten regularly by my father. Would you not?
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On July 13 2010 13:09 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:03 Tenryu wrote:Ok i figured out the financial issue! 1. Call Child Protective Services and talk with your mom about it. 2. Enlist in the army! Lots of benefits, you can get enlistment bonus's up to $20+ grand. 3. Send the money you make back to your family to help out(my father did this with his family and it worked out pretty well from what he said. Not to mention you really dont need your full paycheck. Only thing you'll be paying for is basically just your cell-phone bill and your car payment if u have one. The army pays for your living and your food, which really isnt as bad as what people think. Breakfast is amazing), as well as when u get your bonus pay(you have to get through basic + AIT before u can get your enlistment bonus) 4. Have the army pay college for you. The army has some amazing benefits when it comes to schooling. I know when i get out in 2 yrs the army will provide me up to $68 grand for college. Of course you can still go school while being in the military, alot of people do it. I chose the latter cuz i was lazy. 5. Get a freind to join with u and u get an extra $1000 or i think it might've even changed to $2000. Dont quite remember  Talk to your recruiter for more info on how the G.I Bill works and shit :D haha, my college is a 6 year program, and during the 3rd year they do major cuts around 30% some due to shitty grades, lack of interest, nor lack of financial funding. So i told myself if i ever get academically cut i'm just going to join the army and repay my debt with that army money, and plus they'll also pay for my college. I told that to my mother she was totally against it. But i think if i ever do get cut, i will join army regardless of what they say :\
Ive been in the army for 5 years now and dont regret it one bit. Ive saved around $30 grand(not to mention the 68grand they promised me in my contract 5 yrs ago) in my savings with only a $1000 enlistment bonus(which my recruited got me good on. If i waited a couple months longer i could've gotten $10000 ) Just make sure if u actually are interested(which u might be ) you put more look into what u can actually get out of it, unlike i did. There's quite a few TLers that are or have been in the military, you can just post a blog about some info your curious about.
I know since ive joined the bonus's have gone way up from what i initially got, so make sure you figure out how much u can actually get before joining. And if you do join, from my experience, just remember if you treat the army good, they will treat you good.
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On July 13 2010 13:09 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:03 Tenryu wrote:Ok i figured out the financial issue! 1. Call Child Protective Services and talk with your mom about it. 2. Enlist in the army! Lots of benefits, you can get enlistment bonus's up to $20+ grand. 3. Send the money you make back to your family to help out(my father did this with his family and it worked out pretty well from what he said. Not to mention you really dont need your full paycheck. Only thing you'll be paying for is basically just your cell-phone bill and your car payment if u have one. The army pays for your living and your food, which really isnt as bad as what people think. Breakfast is amazing), as well as when u get your bonus pay(you have to get through basic + AIT before u can get your enlistment bonus) 4. Have the army pay college for you. The army has some amazing benefits when it comes to schooling. I know when i get out in 2 yrs the army will provide me up to $68 grand for college. Of course you can still go school while being in the military, alot of people do it. I chose the latter cuz i was lazy. 5. Get a freind to join with u and u get an extra $1000 or i think it might've even changed to $2000. Dont quite remember  Talk to your recruiter for more info on how the G.I Bill works and shit :D haha, my college is a 6 year program, and during the 3rd year they do major cuts around 30% some due to shitty grades, lack of interest, nor lack of financial funding. So i told myself if i ever get academically cut i'm just going to join the army and repay my debt with that army money, and plus they'll also pay for my college. I told that to my mother she was totally against it. But i think if i ever do get cut, i will join army regardless of what they say :\
Do well in school, don't get cut. Don't join the army. =\ Your credits are transferrable , look into a backup program in case. You are probably a smart kid so you shouldn't be academically cut anyway. Just don't play too much Starcraft =P and for the love of god, try not to buy starcraft II.
Sob3k, I'm not going to bother arguing with you. You are just posting for the sake of input. That's why you're a detriment to this thread. If you are honestly trying to be helpful, delete your posts in this thread and move on. At this point, you're just trying to get a debate going (or you wouldn't just be block quoting) which is absolutely re fucking tarded in this thread.
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On July 13 2010 13:04 KissBlade wrote:
BTW Sobek, Asian spanking isn't the same as Westerns. Asian parents will NEVER "beat the shit" out of their kids because to them certain areas, especially the head, though if they get REALLY angry they do give a smack there, (cause intelligence is important as hell) and spine (obvious reasons) are completely off limits. Most hits are delivered to slaps, or spanks to the bum or pinches and occasional hair pulling. Does it make it justifiable? Not in certain senses of course. But I want to clear up your idea of "beating the shit out of" cause like I said, it's exactly those kind of posts that annoy me because you clearly have no idea what's going on and yet still desire to insert input. At least read, ask questions before you post.
On July 13 2010 08:43 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:41 Dance.jhu wrote:On July 13 2010 08:40 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 08:38 Dance.jhu wrote: sounds like my dad growing up, but he has completely changed the way he acts. He still gets mad, but mostly it is my fault. He definetly is better the way he reacts and handles situations. Im sorry to hear this, and when I read your sister is only 10 that made me really angry. It is a shitty situation, but i dont think it is nearly as bad as it could be. Of course im going off the little infromation you give, and it sounds it has never gone beyond verbal abuse. Still, it could be worse. It's mostly verbal abuse now, sometimes my sister still gets beat physically, not me anymore, and rarely my mom anymore. by beat, do you mean spanked? i sure hope so Few month ago, my sister's face was red with bruises, and was made to lie to teachers and students saying that it was just a rash. And she is often kicked not sure about the strength of kick, but definitly enough to get her to be on her butt. I used to get belted, with bruises over my leg, my sides on the body, and my arms would be totally red. He doesn't dare to do it anymore though to me anyways.
This is what I was referring too....It seems to me a bit "beyond the call of duty"
Asian parents will NEVER "beat the shit" out of their kids because to them certain areas, especially the head, though if they get REALLY angry they do give a smack there, (cause intelligence is important as hell) and spine (obvious reasons) are completely off limits.
I also beg to differ on this point, I'm sure there are many thousands of Asian parents who severely injure/kill their children through beating. Just like the unfortunate thousands of European parents and the thousands of Indian and South American parents.
A five second google: http://www.asianewsnet.net/home/news.php?id=11480&sec=1 From Japan, China is unsurprisingly tight-lipped about child abuse statistics.
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Although this story is only from one side of PoV, it still sounds horrendous. )= Hopefully situations will improve soon YPang!
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On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals.
This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused.
(I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.)
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On July 13 2010 12:55 3clipse wrote: I find it a bit disturbing how far some are going to rationalize this sort of behavior. Yes, a significant cultural rift exists between western and eastern families and there are different attitudes and philosophies how to best raise children- but a distinct line is crossed when strict parenting becomes emotional and physical abuse. Of course his father is under severe stress. All parents are at one time or another. If this stress makes you harm your family in these ways, you have utterly failed as a parent. The responsibility they shoulder does not grant them the right to be a tyrant. I appreciate that it takes great strength of character to love your parents after the things you have gone through, KissBlade, but it seems as though your own hardships have made you very jaded to all this. It should not be viewed as normal or trivialized or it will make it easier for this sort of behavior to ruin childhoods for generations to come.
I had some problems with my dad as a kid. Nothing physical, fortunately, but he would get in moods where he was extremely bitter and would yell at us a lot about nothing in particular. Other days he would seem almost unnaturally happy and forgiving. I've lately begun to suspect he has bipolar disorder. Anyway, my parents divorced when I was around 11 and I think it's been a great thing for all of us. My mom has never had much money, but she's managed to get by. I live with her (when not at school) and I see my dad a couple times a week. It's a good setup because I can stay as long as we're enjoying each other's company and I can leave if he starts to get worked up.
I'm not saying that going to CPS and trying to break your family up is the right move for you. It probably isn't, especially if your mom is so accepting of the situation. I can only say that the split worked out well for me and the rest of my childhood was much better. You're nearly out of the picture and your mom seems to be accepting of her fate, but I'm going to mirror the rest of the posts in here and say that you should focus on improving things for your sister. If that means talking things over with your dad and being sympathetic to his situation, so be it. I don't think he deserves it, but your sister does.
Good luck. Good post.
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Id rather have my father hit me with a bamboo stick than having smack myself across the face.
Unfortunately this type of punishment has its downsides, my father has gave up on doing this since the beginning of high school. Just learn from my own mistakes.
edit: Child Services? What? Sending a child to their room is not a valid punishment.
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On July 13 2010 13:11 koreasilver wrote: ITT idiots that have no understanding that believe drastic, singular measures are an answer to all situations objectively.
Welcome to the new generation of North America! The sheltered, the complacent, the ignorant.
ITT idiots that have no understanding about social services that they believe social workers are just bureaucrats with no understanding of how family dynamics (including those of other cultures) work.
Sheltered, complacent, ignorant Asian-Americans who think white people don't understand how Asian families work just because of the colour of their skin.
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On July 13 2010 13:37 Pineapple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:11 koreasilver wrote: ITT idiots that have no understanding that believe drastic, singular measures are an answer to all situations objectively.
Welcome to the new generation of North America! The sheltered, the complacent, the ignorant. ITT idiots that have no understanding about social services that they believe social workers are just bureaucrats with no understanding of how family dynamics (including those of other cultures) work. Sheltered, complacent, ignorant Asian-Americans who think white people don't understand how Asian families work just because of the colour of their skin.
Yes, that's exactly how it is. You obviously understand how their families work better than they do. Bravo to you sir.
On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.)
It's actually not "Asian culture". It's "Asian American immigration culture". China for example, pampers the crap out of their kids now because of more money one child policy, etc. What you're NOT understanding is that "toughing it out" means just doing well in school, talking out with his parents, etc. He got it, you won't get it because you haven't lived through this. What the standard Western proposal is, isn't going to work because frankly they're not equipped for the same situation. In fact, I will tell you a very personal story. I've tried a lot of these things that I'm railing against today. My cousin has tried those things. A family friend tried the thing I suggested doing. One of the three is very successful in life while another one realized what he was taught by his Western peers didn't work because it was dealing with ultimately, a different environment, and now is on a better track for that realization. The third keeps at it and is still coming at odds with his parents. Guess which is which?
Orome, I know your posts have always meant well but you are twisting words and meanings because some things don't come across clearly through simple text on the screen.
On July 13 2010 13:38 Jumperer wrote: Alright, in summary, Yang is pretty much out of this. He just has to focus and do really well in school. So further discussion regarding the issue isn't necessary. However, What would be the best course of action for his mom and sister? I think that if you convince your sister to tell someone in her school about this problem I'm sure they can deal with it. Your dad can't blame you for it since you can pretend that you didn't tell her anything, she acted on her own.
This is exactly what I mean by people don't understand the situation and still keeps giving advice. The truth is, the burden is on YPang. If he does well in college and gets a successful career, his dad will soften up. If he wants the best for his sister, he'll be there for her while in college but do his best while he's attending it. Telling his sister to tell someone in school won't do shit because a) she probably wont' tell anyway or b) she'll tell. They'll bring the parents in to talk to the counselors for a few days, she'll get horribly embarrassed and her parents BOTH yell at her for doing it.
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On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) I've told him to focus on himself and his sister. All my criticism comes from what you people are telling him to do about his mom and his dad, not his sister. If you've actually really read into my few posts in this thread then you would have known so, that you are completely misreading whatever I am writing, and that your accusations are baseless. You are making an argument constructed completely upon emotion without any actual experience or subtle understanding, and this is why your "advice" doesn't hold much value in this situation.
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On July 13 2010 13:44 Jumperer wrote: It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
I'd call running away from the problem living on your knees.
It takes a man to take a bad situation and turn it good. Anyone can keep a good thing going or spout pointless advice.
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So KissBlade, am I right in thinking that you think Ypang should go to his parents (who are calling each other trash and not speaking) and say:
"Look I know what you want is the best for me. And you want what's the best for my sister. Please if you think we fuck up next time, just let us know. There's no point being angry with it because I know your situation is hard but let us try to fix it."
...and that will stop his dad from beating his sister and solve his rage problems?
It seems a bit optimistic.
or is this just the best we can hope for....
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On July 13 2010 13:37 Pineapple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:11 koreasilver wrote: ITT idiots that have no understanding that believe drastic, singular measures are an answer to all situations objectively.
Welcome to the new generation of North America! The sheltered, the complacent, the ignorant. ITT idiots that have no understanding about social services that they believe social workers are just bureaucrats with no understanding of how family dynamics (including those of other cultures) work. Sheltered, complacent, ignorant Asian-Americans who think white people don't understand how Asian families work just because of the colour of their skin. And you fail to understand that social services in North America fail to actually rectify the structural problems of the culture. This must be dealt by the people themselves. "Help" doesn't help if the "helped" do not want to be helped or even truly believe that there is a fundamental problem. As long as the fundamental issue persists any sort of mending on the surface is useless. This is the issue with why Westerners fail in solving problems in other parts of the world with their "help". They suffer from tunnel vision and are unable to pierce through to the roots of the issue; if they even want to go that far in the first place.
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On July 13 2010 13:48 sob3k wrote:So KissBlade, am I right in thinking that you think Ypang should go to his parents (who are calling each other trash and not speaking) and say: Show nested quote +"Look I know what you want is the best for me. And you want what's the best for my sister. Please if you think we fuck up next time, just let us know. There's no point being angry with it because I know your situation is hard but let us try to fix it."
...and that will stop his dad from beating his sister and solve his rage problems? It seems a bit optimistic. or is this just the best we can hope for....
His dad isn't having anger management problems. His dad is almost guaranteed upset all the time because he is worried about how his family is doing. I never said anything about stopping his dad from beating anyone or not acting as he did. However, ultimately, it'll make it so ten years from now, YPang will be able to have an understanding relationship with his parents than some of the shithole situations some of these other "solutions" will create.
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On July 13 2010 13:40 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) It's actually not "Asian culture". It's "Asian American immigration culture". China for example, pampers the crap out of their kids now because of more money one child policy, etc. What you're NOT understanding is that "toughing it out" means just doing well in school, talking out with his parents, etc. He got it, you won't get it because you haven't lived through this. What the standard Western proposal is, isn't going to work because frankly they're not equipped for the same situation. In fact, I will tell you a very personal story. I've tried a lot of these things that I'm railing against today. My cousin has tried those things. A family friend tried the thing I suggested doing. One of the three is very successful in life while another one realized what he was taught by his Western peers didn't work because it was dealing with ultimately, a different environment, and now is on a better track for that realization. The third keeps at it and is still coming at odds with his parents. Guess which is which? Orome, I know your posts have always meant well but you are twisting words and meanings because some things don't come across clearly through simple text on the screen.
I know how frustrating it can be to argue with someone who has no first-hand experience of something and doesn't realize he's wrong, but I just have a very hard time believing that all it takes for ypang's family to function is for him and his sister to do well in school (and the solution is a very imperfect one in any case). You really think his father would start treating his mother decently if his children were doing better academically?
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On July 13 2010 13:40 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:37 Pineapple wrote:On July 13 2010 13:11 koreasilver wrote: ITT idiots that have no understanding that believe drastic, singular measures are an answer to all situations objectively.
Welcome to the new generation of North America! The sheltered, the complacent, the ignorant. ITT idiots that have no understanding about social services that they believe social workers are just bureaucrats with no understanding of how family dynamics (including those of other cultures) work. Sheltered, complacent, ignorant Asian-Americans who think white people don't understand how Asian families work just because of the colour of their skin. Yes, that's exactly how it is. You obviously understand how their families work better than they do. Bravo to you sir. Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) It's actually not "Asian culture". It's "Asian American immigration culture". China for example, pampers the crap out of their kids now because of more money one child policy, etc. What you're NOT understanding is that "toughing it out" means just doing well in school, talking out with his parents, etc. He got it, you won't get it because you haven't lived through this. What the standard Western proposal is, isn't going to work because frankly they're not equipped for the same situation. In fact, I will tell you a very personal story. I've tried a lot of these things that I'm railing against today. My cousin has tried those things. A family friend tried the thing I suggested doing. One of the three is very successful in life while another one realized what he was taught by his Western peers didn't work because it was dealing with ultimately, a different environment, and now is on a better track for that realization. The third keeps at it and is still coming at odds with his parents. Guess which is which? Orome, I know your posts have always meant well but you are twisting words and meanings because some things don't come across clearly through simple text on the screen. Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:38 Jumperer wrote: Alright, in summary, Yang is pretty much out of this. He just has to focus and do really well in school. So further discussion regarding the issue isn't necessary. However, What would be the best course of action for his mom and sister? I think that if you convince your sister to tell someone in her school about this problem I'm sure they can deal with it. Your dad can't blame you for it since you can pretend that you didn't tell her anything, she acted on her own. This is exactly what I mean by people don't understand the situation and still keeps giving advice. The truth is, the burden is on YPang. If he does well in college and gets a successful career, his dad will soften up. If he wants the best for his sister, he'll be there for her while in college but do his best while he's attending it. Telling his sister to tell someone in school won't do shit because a) she probably wont' tell anyway or b) she'll tell. They'll bring the parents in to talk to the counselors for a few days, she'll get horribly embarrassed and her parents BOTH yell at her for doing it.
FYI I happen to be an Asian immigrant myself in a Western nation and I can say to you my parents were poor as fuck and had to work minimum wage jobs (one as a construction labourer, the other as a disability support carer) to raise me and my sister - but were certainly not fucked up enough to take it out on us via beatings. There was corporal punishment as well as stern words but certainly not unreasonable or psychotic. I am well aware of the Asian culture and expectations for making sure their kids do well in school etc.
I also have several friends who went to university to take papers in sociology and psychology and now do social work. And believe it or not one of them is Asian. And they have to learn all about how to deal with different cultural family situations (New Zealand is a lot less multicultural than America) and it's not shallow or ignorant as you seem to think. I think the only ignorance stems from your ignorance of the system and prejudice into believing that they're useless. So your presumption that social services know fuck all about Asian families is bullshit too. I would strongly recommend YPang go seek out social services and explain the issues people such as you and koreasilver have raised about the potential of fucking things up even more should intervention be taken, and they will definitely take that into account when approaching the issue and look seriously to other options to address the situation. I would strongly recommend against him taking your advice which you had originally posted on the top of page 9 or 10 regarding being grateful for the piece of shit dad he obviously has and thanking him later in life. Fuck that bullshit.
This is the last post I will make in this thread. YPang - make sure your sister has a circle of friends - I am not a Christian however some Churches can be a good place to find friends for support (I'm not talking strict Churches but the more mainstream ones). If she grows up without a good friendly support base then your dad will cause seriously fucked up psychological problems for her and she might end up self-harming etc. And go to a Women's Refuge or whatever centre that helps victims of domestic violence - recommend your mum to go visit one. Social services doesn't have to be involved in those situations - and they are certainly well aware of why some women would prefer not to go to social services because it's not only Asian families that suffer from domestic violence.
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On July 13 2010 13:57 Jumperer wrote: KissBlade, you can't assume that everything I say will come out wrong and that everything you say will work perfectly. Just because your mom beat the crap out of you doesn't mean you are the best person to give out advices. You can play 5000 games on iccup and still be D+.
If all the founding father in Americans took your advice and just suck it up and declare independence. We would all be living under the ruling of the British today.
But then again, being asian myself, I can understand the cowardice tendency of asian culture and the temptation to just suck it up, fly under the radar. Then work as a doctor for the rest of your life, accomplish nothing worthwise, and die as a coward.
Really? Because I'm going to assume you understand very little. You're telling me running away is less cowardly than actually facing a situation and dealing with it? Some parts of your post doesn't even make any sense so I'm not even sure how to respond anymore.
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On July 13 2010 13:59 Pineapple wrote:
FYI I happen to be an Asian immigrant myself in a Western nation .
On July 13 2010 13:37 Pineapple wrote:
Sheltered, complacent, ignorant Asian-Americans who think white people don't understand how Asian families work just because of the colour of their skin.
Contrary. But it's great that you're not going to post anymore because honestly I don't believe anything else you were saying either.
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On July 13 2010 13:51 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:48 sob3k wrote:So KissBlade, am I right in thinking that you think Ypang should go to his parents (who are calling each other trash and not speaking) and say: "Look I know what you want is the best for me. And you want what's the best for my sister. Please if you think we fuck up next time, just let us know. There's no point being angry with it because I know your situation is hard but let us try to fix it."
...and that will stop his dad from beating his sister and solve his rage problems? It seems a bit optimistic. or is this just the best we can hope for.... His dad isn't having anger management problems. His dad is almost guaranteed upset all the time because he is worried about how his family is doing. I never said anything about stopping his dad from beating anyone or not acting as he did. However, ultimately, it'll make it so ten years from now, YPang will be able to have an understanding relationship with his parents than some of the shithole situations some of these other "solutions" will create. yo dawg, where did you buy your crystal ball? I've got some dolla' bills burning a hole in my pocket and I could use this sort of magical powers.
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On July 13 2010 13:51 KissBlade wrote:
His dad isn't having anger management problems. His dad is almost guaranteed upset all the time because he is worried about how his family is doing. I never said anything about stopping his dad from beating anyone or not acting as he did. However, ultimately, it'll make it so ten years from now, YPang will be able to have an understanding relationship with his parents than some of the shithole situations some of these other "solutions" will create.
My dad was like
"Go return these back into the store and get the ones for 7.99$" (in a rude tone) "But i already got these" "return it NOW we tried these sausages the last time and you know it wasn't good" "okay" "FUCK, don't return it, i don't want you to waste the gas money, if you're gonna return it walk and do it"
So because they went walking in the morning, they came back and my dad wanted some orange juice in the fridge. But the juice was placed deep in the fridge, and there was yogourt blocking it. So he just dragged the orange juice from inside the fridge and knocked out all the yogourt on the ground. Thats when my mom blew annd screamed "What the hell is your problem" i can understand because after being called trash/dumbass for buying the cheaper kind of sausage for a GOOD reason because my dad was the only guy with a job so she was trying to save money. So she got REALLY pissed and smashed a glass cup on the ground and it shattered.
"fine let's not eat anything this entire day then" says my dad "okay fine, i was trying to be good hearted and save you money, and you rage about it" my mom responded.
So basically afterwards They went into seperate rooms for the entire time from 12:00pm to 5:30pm. My mom came to the kitchen to make me and my sister ramen at 3pm, she didn't have any though. At around 4:30pm, my dad went to cook himself food, and after he finished eating my mom went down to make us dumplings. As soon as my mom turned on the stove he went
"TURN IT OFF" "Why? no" "TURN IT OFF, Trashes like you don't deserver to eat" "... FINE, i'm leaving the house to get fresh air" (While it was raining outside :\
Soon my dad yelled at my sister, and said
"Pick up these yogourts if you want it, if not i'm throwing it away"
Obviously my sister was frightened and picked them up and put them in the fridge. (But seriously you knocked it down, at least have the decency to put it back yourself...)
Few minutes later, he yelled my name
"YANG, you're dumb as a nut, go find your mom why are you sitting there like youre a dumbass".
Needless to say i was pissed and said, "don't you think its you should be the one to find her? you're weak as hell, can't even admit/ nor apologize for being an ass"
My sister wanted to come too, but she was caught by my dad while she was putting on her shoes.
At the end i found out that she was screamed, at, and was forced to slap herself on the face hard (This happens often as punishment for her) and was forced to stand in the basement.
As a child i used to get beaten by my dad for various reasons mostly school, and other times just because he gets pissed off, he's afraid to do it now because he knows i will strick back.
Few month ago, my sister's face was red with bruises, and was made to lie to teachers and students saying that it was just a rash. And she is often kicked not sure about the strength of kick, but definitly enough to get her to be on her butt.
I used to get belted, with bruises over my leg, my sides on the body, and my arms would be totally red. He doesn't dare to do it anymore though to me anyways.
uhhhhhhhh......
And you say your solution won't stop him from beating his sister with a belt, forcing her to slap herself and making her stand in the basement. I think this is also a problem that needs solving. Do you have any advice on this point?
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I still think my course of action is best, ok gg no re.
On a more serious note. If his father is actually worried.. even tho with all the abuse going on.. some1 has to open his eyes that his actions isnt benefiting his family. And what better for his eyes to open to see him behind bars.
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On July 13 2010 13:58 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:40 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) It's actually not "Asian culture". It's "Asian American immigration culture". China for example, pampers the crap out of their kids now because of more money one child policy, etc. What you're NOT understanding is that "toughing it out" means just doing well in school, talking out with his parents, etc. He got it, you won't get it because you haven't lived through this. What the standard Western proposal is, isn't going to work because frankly they're not equipped for the same situation. In fact, I will tell you a very personal story. I've tried a lot of these things that I'm railing against today. My cousin has tried those things. A family friend tried the thing I suggested doing. One of the three is very successful in life while another one realized what he was taught by his Western peers didn't work because it was dealing with ultimately, a different environment, and now is on a better track for that realization. The third keeps at it and is still coming at odds with his parents. Guess which is which? Orome, I know your posts have always meant well but you are twisting words and meanings because some things don't come across clearly through simple text on the screen. I know how frustrating it can be to argue with someone who has no first-hand experience of something and doesn't realize he's wrong, but I just have a very hard time believing that all it takes for ypang's family to function is for him and his sister to do well in school (and the solution is a very imperfect one in any case). You really think his father would start treating his mother decently if his children were doing better academically?
What I think is not 100% definite. It is obviously anecdotal. However, it is from what I feel a larger pool of experience than most others in their thread. Furthermore, a lot of advice that I'm against are the more antagonistic ones because think about it from a logical standpoint at how this situation is. Create the type of mindset the family members have. Does some of these solutions not strike you as trying to wash out fire with oil?
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On July 13 2010 13:45 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) I've told him to focus on himself and his sister. All my criticism comes from what you people are telling him to do about his mom and his dad, not his sister. If you've actually really read into my few posts in this thread then you would have known so, that you are completely misreading whatever I am writing, and that your accusations are baseless. You are making an argument constructed completely upon emotion without any actual experience or subtle understanding, and this is why your "advice" doesn't hold much value in this situation.
There's a misunderstanding here, I wasn't accusing you of anything. The 'You' in 'You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused' was supposed to be a neutral you, like 'One would be saying that...' Badly phrased, sorry about that. If anyone it was directed as KissBlade, but he's since made his position understandable as well.
That I'm making an argument constructed on emotion is true, but it's not the downfall of it because my argument remains very general, based on very basic values. In essence, all I'm saying is: girl gets abused, girl getting abused is bad, he's the one who can help her ---> he has to do something about it! I would have hoped we could all agree on that.
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On July 13 2010 14:08 Jumperer wrote: what facing situation? You mean run away to college and hope the sister and his mom doesn't die before he gets out? If I was Ypang I would've fucking laid and beat the fuck out my that motherfucking piece of shit dad when he first lay his hand on my mom or my sister a long time ago. And like the guy above said, don't underestimate social workers. I happen to be a psychology major and I happen to know that they are quite competent in dealing with problems like child abuse.
You on the other hand doesn't really know what the hell is going on. You learned everything from your own experience and assume that it's the best possible way because you don't know any better. I'm sorry but your fastest build order is useless against my bisu build.
I'm not sure what's more insulting, the fact that you're taking it lightly as so far as to making poor Starcraft metaphors to a serious situation or the fact that you're attempting to pull your "psych major" (which ... isn't even really apt) over me as if I'm not accomplished in academia.
On July 13 2010 14:13 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:11 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 14:08 Jumperer wrote: what facing situation? You mean run away to college and hope the sister and his mom doesn't die before he gets out? If I was Ypang I would've fucking laid and beat the fuck out my that motherfucking piece of shit dad when he first lay his hand on my mom or my sister a long time ago. And like the guy above said, don't underestimate social workers. I happen to be a psychology major and I happen to know that they are quite competent in dealing with problems like child abuse.
You on the other hand doesn't really know what the hell is going on. You learned everything from your own experience and assume that it's the best possible way because you don't know any better. I'm sorry but your fastest build order is useless against my bisu build. I'm not sure what's more insulting, the fact that you're taking it lightly as so far as to making poor Starcraft metaphors to a serious situation or the fact that you're attempting to pull your "psych major" (which ... isn't even really apt) over me as if I'm not accomplished in academia. How about addressing the actual points of his post?
That would be playing a broken record. If he didn't desire to read my posts the first time, he wont' read them if I reposted.
Orome, I completely agree with what you mean. Don't get me wrong, as I've already stated and I thought I was pretty clear was that I don't justify the game as it is. In fact, I thought my feelings about the actual matter was clear when I called it backwards and anachronistic.
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OP Im very sorry for the social situation you are in right now. As an asian american myself my family has had a lot of struggles while moving around the country. My own father is very verbally abusive at times and I am fortunate that he never lays a hand on my mother or siblings. He gets mad and throws things around and does things of that nature. However, I hope you understand how important you are to your sisters well-being. I know that as a younger brother my older siblings were crucial in keeping my emotionally intact. I hope your family finds peace soon and you are able to resolve most of your issues. My heart goes out to you and your family.
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On July 13 2010 14:11 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:08 Jumperer wrote: what facing situation? You mean run away to college and hope the sister and his mom doesn't die before he gets out? If I was Ypang I would've fucking laid and beat the fuck out my that motherfucking piece of shit dad when he first lay his hand on my mom or my sister a long time ago. And like the guy above said, don't underestimate social workers. I happen to be a psychology major and I happen to know that they are quite competent in dealing with problems like child abuse.
You on the other hand doesn't really know what the hell is going on. You learned everything from your own experience and assume that it's the best possible way because you don't know any better. I'm sorry but your fastest build order is useless against my bisu build. I'm not sure what's more insulting, the fact that you're taking it lightly as so far as to making poor Starcraft metaphors to a serious situation or the fact that you're attempting to pull your "psych major" (which ... isn't even really apt) over me as if I'm not accomplished in academia.
How about addressing the actual points of his post?
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This is absolutely an unhealthy situation. It may not require child protective services, but it does warrant counseling for one or many of you.
If you are going to college, they often have counselors you can use for free.
Your father's stress is understandable, these are really hard times. The way he is handling his stress is NOT acceptable. While you are in college, you should do your best to shield your sister and stay close to her.
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On July 13 2010 14:09 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:45 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) I've told him to focus on himself and his sister. All my criticism comes from what you people are telling him to do about his mom and his dad, not his sister. If you've actually really read into my few posts in this thread then you would have known so, that you are completely misreading whatever I am writing, and that your accusations are baseless. You are making an argument constructed completely upon emotion without any actual experience or subtle understanding, and this is why your "advice" doesn't hold much value in this situation. There's a misunderstanding here, I wasn't accusing you of anything. The 'You' in 'You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused' was supposed to be a neutral you, like 'One would be saying that...' Badly phrased, sorry about that. If anyone it was directed as KissBlade, but he's since made his position understandable as well. That I'm making an argument constructed on emotion is true, but it's not the downfall of it because my argument remains very general, based on very basic values. In essence, all I'm saying is: girl gets abused, girl getting abused is bad, he's the one who can help her ---> he has to do something about it! I would have hoped we could all agree on that. He obviously needs to do something about it, but it must be the structure itself that must be targeted, not what is built upon it. As to the when and how I'm not sure, as I don't know enough about his family. But it is inevitable that to solve the systematic issue he and his sister will have to topple what is built upon it, which will be their father. It must be a symbolical patricide and their mother will also be torn down if she herself refuses to face the fundamental wrong and fails to compose the courage to revolt.
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On July 13 2010 14:20 Jumperer wrote: dodge more.
Your build order of -> do well in school -> hope dad doesnt go insane and everyone...... is simplistic and any monkey could've come up with the idea. How the fuck can someone deal with the guilt of leaving 2 people behind against a fucked up monster. How do you expect anyone to do well in school under that condition? Kissblade, Just because you choose to type in bigger words doesn't mean that your argument is actually any better.
I believe that my BO of telling the people at school is better and yield immediate result. It covers all possibilities and even if it fails(less than 0.0000000001% chance) Ypang's balls would grow infinitely and he would no longer be a typical asian nerd who runs away from all problem and try to fix everything by doing well in school, such as yourself.
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First off, as I already stated again. Stop using Starcraft metaphors for your posts. It's demeaning to the situation. Secondly, had you read my posts, I've never stated "leaving 2 people behind". In fact, I've advocated that he get more involved with his family and especially do so by reaching out to his dad. If anything, YOU were the one who advocated running away and crashing at friends which I said was an awful idea. I apologize if my words seem "bigger" to you so how about I toss you one and just flat out call you a misanthrope?
^Koreasilver, I think that the time when he can actually topple the system is when he gets seen as the "family head" which will only occur when he gets to the level where his father grants him that. Often enough, the easiest one is to have a son. (for obvious reasons) My advice was simply one that didn't require such ... extreme measures?
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Sorry, I didn't put into consideration that you were Asian when I made my first post. Obviously this changes a lot of things.
To sum things up to the white folks here, in Chinese culture, self-actualization is attained through the success of the children. A good life is measured by how successful your children are, and whether or not they are setting up a positive future for their children. When passing, a Chinese father wants to know that his bloodline will be carried on well. This belief in the Chinese culture is even stronger than Western religious beliefs. To deny a father the success of his child is to deny the meaning of his existence almost. This is why Chinese parents go so far to ensure that their children do well in school, no matter what it takes. In American-Asian culture, although many parents wish to adopt a more Western method in raising their children, some parents still strictly follow Asian methods.
The best, and only thing you can do is study your hardest, and take whatever punishment your father can dish out. The same goes with your sister. Do not do or say anything that goes against his word. That will greatly displease your father and cause more trouble for yourself as well. Your father is ultimately doing this for your own good, even though it's clearly not working that well. Your job is to make him believe that it's working. Get good grades, be successful, that's all you can really do. Years down the road, you will not regret the way you were brought up. It's not just your grades that will be good, it will be your entire personality. Children who were under strict discipline will grow up to be very disciplined and sophisticated. Other children will grow up naive and face reality in college and work. At that time it's too late. When I was young, I was beaten heavily as well, with slippers, blows to the head, etc. I do not regret a single bit of it. Even though the intention was the raise my school grades, it also crafted a different person out of me. Nowadays, I can look down upon all those college students who go drinking and partying all the time and then fail their courses. That's all thanks to how I was raised.
One thing you should not even consider doing is talking to a counselor or calling child protection. It doesn't matter how good these services are, to a Chinese father, these people are nothing more than clowns. By calling them, you are essentially telling your father that you are completely ignorant and naive. A father putting his sweat and blood into raising a successful child and then having the child think he's just being an abusive father is a nightmare to him. That's one of the worst things you can do in a Chinese family, and out of the several times I've seen it happen, it never ends pretty. If you or your sister requires it, you can go see a counselor on your own without your father, but I advise against it. Western counselors will not tell you to take in punishment, grit your teeth, and study your ass off; that's simply against their textbook. The only person that can do that is yourself.
From now on, push yourself to do better in school. When your father gets angry, just take it like it's simple routine. Eventually, yelling and beating will be nothing more than a waste of time. In the future, you will not regret the better grades that you will attain, nor will you regret the better person that you will become. This is something that every Chinese child goes through, and not a single one regrets it.
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On July 13 2010 14:07 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:58 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:40 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) It's actually not "Asian culture". It's "Asian American immigration culture". China for example, pampers the crap out of their kids now because of more money one child policy, etc. What you're NOT understanding is that "toughing it out" means just doing well in school, talking out with his parents, etc. He got it, you won't get it because you haven't lived through this. What the standard Western proposal is, isn't going to work because frankly they're not equipped for the same situation. In fact, I will tell you a very personal story. I've tried a lot of these things that I'm railing against today. My cousin has tried those things. A family friend tried the thing I suggested doing. One of the three is very successful in life while another one realized what he was taught by his Western peers didn't work because it was dealing with ultimately, a different environment, and now is on a better track for that realization. The third keeps at it and is still coming at odds with his parents. Guess which is which? Orome, I know your posts have always meant well but you are twisting words and meanings because some things don't come across clearly through simple text on the screen. I know how frustrating it can be to argue with someone who has no first-hand experience of something and doesn't realize he's wrong, but I just have a very hard time believing that all it takes for ypang's family to function is for him and his sister to do well in school (and the solution is a very imperfect one in any case). You really think his father would start treating his mother decently if his children were doing better academically? What I think is not 100% definite. It is obviously anecdotal. However, it is from what I feel a larger pool of experience than most others in their thread. Furthermore, a lot of advice that I'm against are the more antagonistic ones because think about it from a logical standpoint at how this situation is. Create the type of mindset the family members have. Does some of these solutions not strike you as trying to wash out fire with oil?
Possibly, I don't have enough experience on the subject to judge concrete measures accurately.
However, these solutions are all attempts to solve the problem. They may be unsuitable for this particular scenario but at least their aim is to make sure his sister can grow up in a healthy environment.
Your solution strikes me as the 'lay down and take it' road, try to please your father (who apparently can't treat you decently until you're a great student), keep quiet and try to escape with as little damage as possible. If no other solution will work and it will stop the abuse it might be the most prudent way to go, but I'm not entirely convinced outside help is guaranteed to be ineffective and I'm even less convinced that it's going to stop his father's abuse of his sister.
In the end, my approach to this situation is this: the abuse has to stop. If it can be stopped simply by getting good grades and ypang thinks this is the best way to go, alright. But if it doesn't stop, or if it only stops as long as each grade's an A, ypang has to do something about it. What he should do, he can judge best himself, but if he needs to go to somewhat more extremes measures to keep his sister safe... well, so be it.
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I dont think sucking up to his dad and giving him what he wants will be "reaching out". It will just demand greater expectations and even set standards that even his sister will then have to reach, which she is already doing poorly in school. Imo i think he should focus more on his little sister then himself. He already mentioned, "Im not going to be like this when i have kids". But even as an adult, he hasnt spoken to his father about his little sister. And as mentioned earlier, depending on his father's answers and beliefs of what he thinks he is doing right, OP should decide and take the proper course action.
The majority of the people on this thread are replying in hopes of his little sister and her upbringing. She already sounds very dependant of her brother. "Always bothering him and in good mood or w/e word OP used, (dont feel like searching for it) around him." She prolly has seen his somewhat rebellious side and sees her brother to be somewhat in the same position as her as well as maybe even a protective figure.. craving for the attention from him that she needs as a child cuz her parents arent giving it to her.
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You don't need to be acknowledged as the new patriarch by the patriarch in order to topple the reigning head. This is purely a matter of the self and the personal strength. If we were to consider ourselves powerless until we are acknowledged as powerful by the powerful then we will always be perpetually powerless - as we derive our power from power granted, not power created. The power to restructure comes from the self, not from the structure that we must deconstruct. Having a son doesn't topple the system. You are merely creating your own system that is still subject to the old; this is running away, which you claimed to have been arguing against. This also ignores his sister, to whom he is primarily responsible for, and who is a concern above his parents.
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On July 13 2010 14:23 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:09 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:45 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) I've told him to focus on himself and his sister. All my criticism comes from what you people are telling him to do about his mom and his dad, not his sister. If you've actually really read into my few posts in this thread then you would have known so, that you are completely misreading whatever I am writing, and that your accusations are baseless. You are making an argument constructed completely upon emotion without any actual experience or subtle understanding, and this is why your "advice" doesn't hold much value in this situation. There's a misunderstanding here, I wasn't accusing you of anything. The 'You' in 'You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused' was supposed to be a neutral you, like 'One would be saying that...' Badly phrased, sorry about that. If anyone it was directed as KissBlade, but he's since made his position understandable as well. That I'm making an argument constructed on emotion is true, but it's not the downfall of it because my argument remains very general, based on very basic values. In essence, all I'm saying is: girl gets abused, girl getting abused is bad, he's the one who can help her ---> he has to do something about it! I would have hoped we could all agree on that. He obviously needs to do something about it, but it must be the structure itself that must be targeted, not what is built upon it. As to the when and how I'm not sure, as I don't know enough about his family. But it is inevitable that to solve the systematic issue he and his sister will have to topple what is built upon it, which will be their father. It must be a symbolical patricide and their mother will also be torn down if she herself refuses to face the fundamental wrong and fails to compose the courage to revolt.
and what do you do in the meantime while you wait for the 'when'?
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On July 13 2010 14:36 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:07 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 13:58 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:40 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) It's actually not "Asian culture". It's "Asian American immigration culture". China for example, pampers the crap out of their kids now because of more money one child policy, etc. What you're NOT understanding is that "toughing it out" means just doing well in school, talking out with his parents, etc. He got it, you won't get it because you haven't lived through this. What the standard Western proposal is, isn't going to work because frankly they're not equipped for the same situation. In fact, I will tell you a very personal story. I've tried a lot of these things that I'm railing against today. My cousin has tried those things. A family friend tried the thing I suggested doing. One of the three is very successful in life while another one realized what he was taught by his Western peers didn't work because it was dealing with ultimately, a different environment, and now is on a better track for that realization. The third keeps at it and is still coming at odds with his parents. Guess which is which? Orome, I know your posts have always meant well but you are twisting words and meanings because some things don't come across clearly through simple text on the screen. I know how frustrating it can be to argue with someone who has no first-hand experience of something and doesn't realize he's wrong, but I just have a very hard time believing that all it takes for ypang's family to function is for him and his sister to do well in school (and the solution is a very imperfect one in any case). You really think his father would start treating his mother decently if his children were doing better academically? What I think is not 100% definite. It is obviously anecdotal. However, it is from what I feel a larger pool of experience than most others in their thread. Furthermore, a lot of advice that I'm against are the more antagonistic ones because think about it from a logical standpoint at how this situation is. Create the type of mindset the family members have. Does some of these solutions not strike you as trying to wash out fire with oil? Possibly, I don't have enough experience on the subject to judge concrete measures accurately. However, these solutions are all attempts to solve the problem. They may be unsuitable for this particular scenario but at least their aim is to make sure his sister can grow up in a healthy environment. Your solution strikes me as the 'lay down and take it' road, try to please your father (who apparently can't treat you decently until you're a great student), keep quiet and try to escape with as little damage as possible. If no other solution will work and it will stop the abuse it might be the most prudent way to go, but I'm not entirely convinced outside help is guaranteed to be ineffective and I'm even less convinced that it's going to stop his father's abuse of his sister. In the end, my approach to this situation is this: the abuse has to stop. If it can be stopped simply by getting good grades and ypang thinks this is the best way to go, alright. But if it doesn't stop, or if it only stops as long as each grade's an A, ypang has to do something about it. What he should do, he can judge best himself, but if he needs to go to somewhat more extremes measures to keep his sister safe... well, so be it.
You misinterpret my argument. He can easily confront his parents but he has to express it in a term his parents will listen to. Otherwise, his parents will just dismiss it again and that obviously wouldn't get anywhere. What getting great grades will ultimately do is give him more clout with his father, which is what he needs to do to get across to him.
PS. Chairman Ray, you're pretty awful at this satire thing =\.
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On July 13 2010 14:42 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:36 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 14:07 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 13:58 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:40 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) It's actually not "Asian culture". It's "Asian American immigration culture". China for example, pampers the crap out of their kids now because of more money one child policy, etc. What you're NOT understanding is that "toughing it out" means just doing well in school, talking out with his parents, etc. He got it, you won't get it because you haven't lived through this. What the standard Western proposal is, isn't going to work because frankly they're not equipped for the same situation. In fact, I will tell you a very personal story. I've tried a lot of these things that I'm railing against today. My cousin has tried those things. A family friend tried the thing I suggested doing. One of the three is very successful in life while another one realized what he was taught by his Western peers didn't work because it was dealing with ultimately, a different environment, and now is on a better track for that realization. The third keeps at it and is still coming at odds with his parents. Guess which is which? Orome, I know your posts have always meant well but you are twisting words and meanings because some things don't come across clearly through simple text on the screen. I know how frustrating it can be to argue with someone who has no first-hand experience of something and doesn't realize he's wrong, but I just have a very hard time believing that all it takes for ypang's family to function is for him and his sister to do well in school (and the solution is a very imperfect one in any case). You really think his father would start treating his mother decently if his children were doing better academically? What I think is not 100% definite. It is obviously anecdotal. However, it is from what I feel a larger pool of experience than most others in their thread. Furthermore, a lot of advice that I'm against are the more antagonistic ones because think about it from a logical standpoint at how this situation is. Create the type of mindset the family members have. Does some of these solutions not strike you as trying to wash out fire with oil? Possibly, I don't have enough experience on the subject to judge concrete measures accurately. However, these solutions are all attempts to solve the problem. They may be unsuitable for this particular scenario but at least their aim is to make sure his sister can grow up in a healthy environment. Your solution strikes me as the 'lay down and take it' road, try to please your father (who apparently can't treat you decently until you're a great student), keep quiet and try to escape with as little damage as possible. If no other solution will work and it will stop the abuse it might be the most prudent way to go, but I'm not entirely convinced outside help is guaranteed to be ineffective and I'm even less convinced that it's going to stop his father's abuse of his sister. In the end, my approach to this situation is this: the abuse has to stop. If it can be stopped simply by getting good grades and ypang thinks this is the best way to go, alright. But if it doesn't stop, or if it only stops as long as each grade's an A, ypang has to do something about it. What he should do, he can judge best himself, but if he needs to go to somewhat more extremes measures to keep his sister safe... well, so be it. You misinterpret my argument. He can easily confront his parents but he has to express it in a term his parents will listen to. Otherwise, his parents will just dismiss it again and that obviously wouldn't get anywhere. What getting great grades will ultimately do is give him more clout with his father, which is what he needs to do to get across to him. Don't mean to be annoying here, but I really want that crystal ball you bought. Was it on sale?
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Jumperer, it would be indeed nice if these "professionals at his college" could do everything you listed and solve all the problems. Is it actually realistic? I am not sure. It seems pretty idealistic and naive. I am not going to act like I know what I am talking about because I'm completely clueless when it comes to things like this, but who are these college professionals that do this?
Also, how do you expect people to take you seriously when you are making immature StarCraft jokes/metaphors in every post? Is it supposed to be funny?
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On July 13 2010 14:40 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:23 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 14:09 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:45 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) I've told him to focus on himself and his sister. All my criticism comes from what you people are telling him to do about his mom and his dad, not his sister. If you've actually really read into my few posts in this thread then you would have known so, that you are completely misreading whatever I am writing, and that your accusations are baseless. You are making an argument constructed completely upon emotion without any actual experience or subtle understanding, and this is why your "advice" doesn't hold much value in this situation. There's a misunderstanding here, I wasn't accusing you of anything. The 'You' in 'You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused' was supposed to be a neutral you, like 'One would be saying that...' Badly phrased, sorry about that. If anyone it was directed as KissBlade, but he's since made his position understandable as well. That I'm making an argument constructed on emotion is true, but it's not the downfall of it because my argument remains very general, based on very basic values. In essence, all I'm saying is: girl gets abused, girl getting abused is bad, he's the one who can help her ---> he has to do something about it! I would have hoped we could all agree on that. He obviously needs to do something about it, but it must be the structure itself that must be targeted, not what is built upon it. As to the when and how I'm not sure, as I don't know enough about his family. But it is inevitable that to solve the systematic issue he and his sister will have to topple what is built upon it, which will be their father. It must be a symbolical patricide and their mother will also be torn down if she herself refuses to face the fundamental wrong and fails to compose the courage to revolt. and what do you do in the meantime while you wait for the 'when'? You prepare whatever you must so that the when can ever be. The when can exist only because you have prepared the stepping stones to the moment for the moment. He needs to prepare himself and his sister accordingly so that a moment can become the when and the how already preordained by the self - so that he may be able to act with a clear goal, a clear plan, and no hesitation.
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Obviously his dad is very extreme, even for an Asian parent. Nonetheless, any of these "western" solutions will not work -- it is like fitting a square into a round hole. Only, resort to it when your life is actually threatened (or your sister's) That's all I can suggest.
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On July 13 2010 14:42 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:36 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 14:07 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 13:58 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:40 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) It's actually not "Asian culture". It's "Asian American immigration culture". China for example, pampers the crap out of their kids now because of more money one child policy, etc. What you're NOT understanding is that "toughing it out" means just doing well in school, talking out with his parents, etc. He got it, you won't get it because you haven't lived through this. What the standard Western proposal is, isn't going to work because frankly they're not equipped for the same situation. In fact, I will tell you a very personal story. I've tried a lot of these things that I'm railing against today. My cousin has tried those things. A family friend tried the thing I suggested doing. One of the three is very successful in life while another one realized what he was taught by his Western peers didn't work because it was dealing with ultimately, a different environment, and now is on a better track for that realization. The third keeps at it and is still coming at odds with his parents. Guess which is which? Orome, I know your posts have always meant well but you are twisting words and meanings because some things don't come across clearly through simple text on the screen. I know how frustrating it can be to argue with someone who has no first-hand experience of something and doesn't realize he's wrong, but I just have a very hard time believing that all it takes for ypang's family to function is for him and his sister to do well in school (and the solution is a very imperfect one in any case). You really think his father would start treating his mother decently if his children were doing better academically? What I think is not 100% definite. It is obviously anecdotal. However, it is from what I feel a larger pool of experience than most others in their thread. Furthermore, a lot of advice that I'm against are the more antagonistic ones because think about it from a logical standpoint at how this situation is. Create the type of mindset the family members have. Does some of these solutions not strike you as trying to wash out fire with oil? Possibly, I don't have enough experience on the subject to judge concrete measures accurately. However, these solutions are all attempts to solve the problem. They may be unsuitable for this particular scenario but at least their aim is to make sure his sister can grow up in a healthy environment. Your solution strikes me as the 'lay down and take it' road, try to please your father (who apparently can't treat you decently until you're a great student), keep quiet and try to escape with as little damage as possible. If no other solution will work and it will stop the abuse it might be the most prudent way to go, but I'm not entirely convinced outside help is guaranteed to be ineffective and I'm even less convinced that it's going to stop his father's abuse of his sister. In the end, my approach to this situation is this: the abuse has to stop. If it can be stopped simply by getting good grades and ypang thinks this is the best way to go, alright. But if it doesn't stop, or if it only stops as long as each grade's an A, ypang has to do something about it. What he should do, he can judge best himself, but if he needs to go to somewhat more extremes measures to keep his sister safe... well, so be it. You misinterpret my argument. He can easily confront his parents but he has to express it in a term his parents will listen to. Otherwise, his parents will just dismiss it again and that obviously wouldn't get anywhere. What getting great grades will ultimately do is give him more clout with his father, which is what he needs to do to get across to him. PS. Chairman Ray, you're pretty awful at this satire thing =\.
Well a few pages back you said:
On July 13 2010 13:04 KissBlade wrote: What I said is PC nonsense is a) running away from home, washing dishes b) calling child services c) confronting his dad. NONE of these will fix anything. If anything it will make it far fucking worse because what happens if his dad ultimately realizes none of what he's doing is worth it? He quits his job and will you donate anything beyond "helpful advice" to "Help Ypang's family out"?
So I feel somewhat justified in 'misinterpreting' your argument. :p
Anyway, this is petty 'but back then you said something else' and it doesn't really matter, but I do think you presented good grades as the solution to the problem so far and not the means to get more clout so talking to his father will have a bigger chance of success.
I don't have anything I disagree with in this last post anymore, I guess we can wrap up this argument.
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On July 13 2010 14:49 Jumperer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:44 OneOther wrote: Jumperer, it would be indeed nice if these "professionals at his college" could do everything you listed and solve all the problems. Is it actually realistic? I am not sure. It seems pretty idealistic and naive. I am not going to act like I know what I am talking about because I'm completely clueless when it comes to things like this, but who are these college professionals that do this?
Also, how do you expect people to take you seriously when you are making immature StarCraft jokes/metaphors in every post? Is it supposed to be funny? alright, I apologize for all the SC metaphors I made earlier and I will stop making them. I'm somewhat semi drunk. OneOther, every decent college has psychologists on campus to deal with all sort of psychological problem from sexual abuse to child abuse to a random life problem.
Well assuming you desire to sober up soon and will stop posting like a jack ass, then I'll entertain your latest post.
Here's why I'm dubious of your advice working.
1) It relies upon testimony that the OP had shown isn't freely given from his family. Unless, the mother and sister shows adamant resistance to the current way things are being handled, how'd you expect this? 2) It causes friction to a situation that doesn't need anymore of it. On top of that, traditional Asian Americans families have always been very family oriented. It's expected among most traditional Asian American families that when things get tough, you can at least turn to your family. As abusive as the system seems, there's still a warped togetherness because they still recognize that they make sacrifices to each other. If you pick them apart, do you really propose, you'd mend them together any more ably? 3) There's a few more but it's 2am and frankly I think the OP has a good head on his shoulders and knows what to do so at this point it's almost just arguing semantics which I'm not here for.
^Agreed Orome, and likely most of what I said wasn't exactly completed clauses or lost in text-translation arguments but it's mostly pointless now so good night =).
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On July 13 2010 14:46 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:40 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 14:23 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 14:09 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:45 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) I've told him to focus on himself and his sister. All my criticism comes from what you people are telling him to do about his mom and his dad, not his sister. If you've actually really read into my few posts in this thread then you would have known so, that you are completely misreading whatever I am writing, and that your accusations are baseless. You are making an argument constructed completely upon emotion without any actual experience or subtle understanding, and this is why your "advice" doesn't hold much value in this situation. There's a misunderstanding here, I wasn't accusing you of anything. The 'You' in 'You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused' was supposed to be a neutral you, like 'One would be saying that...' Badly phrased, sorry about that. If anyone it was directed as KissBlade, but he's since made his position understandable as well. That I'm making an argument constructed on emotion is true, but it's not the downfall of it because my argument remains very general, based on very basic values. In essence, all I'm saying is: girl gets abused, girl getting abused is bad, he's the one who can help her ---> he has to do something about it! I would have hoped we could all agree on that. He obviously needs to do something about it, but it must be the structure itself that must be targeted, not what is built upon it. As to the when and how I'm not sure, as I don't know enough about his family. But it is inevitable that to solve the systematic issue he and his sister will have to topple what is built upon it, which will be their father. It must be a symbolical patricide and their mother will also be torn down if she herself refuses to face the fundamental wrong and fails to compose the courage to revolt. and what do you do in the meantime while you wait for the 'when'? You prepare whatever you must so that the when can ever be. The when isn't a pure chance. The when can exist only because you have prepared the stepping stones to the moment for the moment. He needs to prepare himself and his sister accordingly so that a moment can become the when and the how already preordained by the self - so that he may be able to act with a clear goal, a clear plan, and no hesitation.
Your tone reminds me a lot of a friend I had back in high school who was a firm believer in the communist revolution that would be coming to Switzerland. :p
I really think you've got your priorities wrong (as shown by your post about different kinds of power) and you're trying to construct an ideal scenario where a child might 'seize power' (another one of those communist phrases lol) instead of looking at it from the point of view of wanting to protect the children (and, if possible, reunite the family to an extent). But if we're going to get into this discussion, it's going to get complicated and I need to get up again in 3 hours. I say we call it quits.
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You wouldn't have posted if you didn't want help. And I don't mean help from us.
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I wish this attitude of 'just study hard and get the best grades to make your parents happy' would stop. It's debatable, but I'd consider IQ to be similar to height in that it follows a bell curve pattern. For every 'smart' person out there, there is going to be the equivalent 'dumb' person as well--we can't all be geniuses. I think this situation mirrors the whole "American dream" scenario, because not everyone can be at the top in a capitalistic society, but that illusion lives on and people die for it in vain.
This is what I think is part of the root problem in these types of blogs; that every parent (Asians in particular) want their children to be at the very top of the ladder in school. And it's not possible, for many reasons, namely that not everyone is born 'smart'. Some people can work extremely hard and make up for it, but even that in and of itself requires a bunch of different factors a person has to be born with to succeed in.
If people just realized this sad reality and worked to their strengths instead of this grand illusion (which may be their weakness), they'd be much more happy. But of course, you can't tell your Asian parents that you'd rather pursue music instead of something like science....
Not trying to berate Asians here, just stating this because it seems to be a popular theme in their culture and with similar blogs to the OP here on TL.
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You're going to school, I assume from the tuition...
See the school counselor. He can give better advice than us, I think.
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You don't have to take all these personally. Seriously. It doesn't seem like your mom loves your dad in any way, so why not push her into divorce. Take it to court with all the bad things he does by a voice recorder, video, whatever. There is no way your mom can lose you and your sister if everything goes accordingly. And if you're wondering about money, you don't even have to worry financially since there's something called child support in the US. They help TONS. I know some of my friends who have moms that don't have the best paying jobs, and they're okay. Heck you could use this to get TONS of financial assistance for you college also. You're saying your dad acts like he's all that in your household, but in reality he's legally wrong.
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On July 13 2010 15:06 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 14:46 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 14:40 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 14:23 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 14:09 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:45 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 13:29 Orome wrote:On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals. This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused. (I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.) I've told him to focus on himself and his sister. All my criticism comes from what you people are telling him to do about his mom and his dad, not his sister. If you've actually really read into my few posts in this thread then you would have known so, that you are completely misreading whatever I am writing, and that your accusations are baseless. You are making an argument constructed completely upon emotion without any actual experience or subtle understanding, and this is why your "advice" doesn't hold much value in this situation. There's a misunderstanding here, I wasn't accusing you of anything. The 'You' in 'You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused' was supposed to be a neutral you, like 'One would be saying that...' Badly phrased, sorry about that. If anyone it was directed as KissBlade, but he's since made his position understandable as well. That I'm making an argument constructed on emotion is true, but it's not the downfall of it because my argument remains very general, based on very basic values. In essence, all I'm saying is: girl gets abused, girl getting abused is bad, he's the one who can help her ---> he has to do something about it! I would have hoped we could all agree on that. He obviously needs to do something about it, but it must be the structure itself that must be targeted, not what is built upon it. As to the when and how I'm not sure, as I don't know enough about his family. But it is inevitable that to solve the systematic issue he and his sister will have to topple what is built upon it, which will be their father. It must be a symbolical patricide and their mother will also be torn down if she herself refuses to face the fundamental wrong and fails to compose the courage to revolt. and what do you do in the meantime while you wait for the 'when'? You prepare whatever you must so that the when can ever be. The when isn't a pure chance. The when can exist only because you have prepared the stepping stones to the moment for the moment. He needs to prepare himself and his sister accordingly so that a moment can become the when and the how already preordained by the self - so that he may be able to act with a clear goal, a clear plan, and no hesitation. Your tone reminds me a lot of a friend I had back in high school who was a firm believer in the communist revolution that would be coming to Switzerland. :p I really think you've got your priorities wrong (as shown by your post about different kinds of power) and you're trying to construct an ideal scenario where a child might 'seize power' (another one of those communist phrases lol) instead of looking at it from the point of view of wanting to protect the children (and, if possible, reunite the family to an extent). But if we're going to get into this discussion, it's going to get complicated and I need to get up again in 3 hours. I say we call it quits. I'm not arguing for the seizing of any power. You are misunderstanding me, and the particular communist accusation is simply just hilarious as I haven't been using Marxist themes at all. The power that I'm talking of is the personal strength and courage that an individual cultivates within himself so that he may act. I don't want him to seize power or establish another power. This is wrong. He would simply just be establishing another system that chokes life. I want him to be able to muster the personal courage to not seize, but to deconstruct the authoritarian patriarchy that persists in our cultural system.
I am interpreting the situation under the assumption that his father cannot be reconciled with, which is a common theme that I have experienced often all around me rather intimately. Regardless of how you shield anyone, they will never be fully saved until they themselves face the situation fully, of their own accord, and emerge from it without being defeated by it. If they don't face it and try to hide from it then the thoughts that have been pushed into the corners of the subconscious will poison them and turn them neurotic. So even if YPang and his sister are delivered from the grips of their father in some sort of fortune, if they neglect and do not face the issue that had plagued their family then it doesn't solve anything as they will continue to be subjected to the system that oppressed them. It will be within them and will survive through not only them but their children as well.
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First of all, I agree the insight into Asian culture is important. Any generic solution that doesnt have an understanding of motives/meanings of actions is probably going to do more harm than good.
That said, I dont agree with "That's just how it is, so just take it" attitude of some posts. At the end of the day, the OP feels there is a problem, and as an man has a responsibility to do 'something' about it(purposely being vague here), until he is convinced there is no longer one. Should not ignore your convictions.. that is universal to all cultures IMO. If not for his own sake, for the sake of those that cant defend themselves.
Sure there are things white americans do in similar cases, and things Asian Americans do, but ultimately the only thing that matters is his situation, and his response to it.
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haha the communist 'accusation' was in the tone, not the content.
It's interesting that I think you started off saying the people in this thread were too idealistic and in the end your solution seems the most idealistic of all (I don't mean that derogatively) in that it focuses on the means to come to a true solution, not a patchwork solution that lets everyone get by. but yeah, this is getting way too complicated for my tired brain and there's a good chance I'm misreading your argument. I really need to go sleep.
maybe later!
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The way I see it, you have 3 major options to consider.
1) Attempt to report your father's behavior. This could very well end up causing more problems than it solves, but it could improve the situation.
2) Leave the household, as you were thinking by joining the army or taking a job. However, you still have your little sister to worry about, and understand how truly important of a role you're going to serve in her life.
3) This is my opinion on how to handle everything, but remember this is just advice, you're not obligated by any means to follow it. My father used to behave very similarly to yours. I'll admit your father is much more restrictive and outbursts over incredibly trivial matters, but I experienced many of the same surges of anger your family contends with. I had the same kinds of thoughts you did about leaving and living on my own instead of dealing with my dad. But that's such an incredibly unforgiving decision to make. Leaving your family seems to be something you can't take back. And I'm going to add that in your situation, fighting your dad will do nothing for you. You know what your dad is doing is wrong. You have to - and I can't stress this enough - maintain a calm mind and be very very chill. You don't need to satisfy yourself by proving your dad wrong. Arguing with an authoritarian parent solves nothing. When he aggravates you, accept that what he's doing is wrong and just let him do it. You know why? Because in 6 years, you'll have your degree and you'll pay your dad back for college. And then you'll be free. You'll be free to never speak to your dad ever again if you want. He'll have NOTHING over you. When you compare yourself to other people in undeveloped countries, you're basically in paradise. Take what you have and make the most of it. Live out these next 6 years while remaining cool and collected about your father. He can't hurt you in any way if you don't accept what he does as having any value or meaning. As for your sister, you have to guide her in a direction that'll keep her mind safe from your dad. My older sister helped me deal with our dad immensely, and if you make a big effort to talk to your sister she'll have someone to talk to about all the struggles. Be there for her, let her know what she has to do. Teach her that she has to both accept your father's behavior while acknowledging what he's doing is wrong. Seriously, just talk to her about everything. When she feels closer to you than your father (not the most difficult feat I would imagine) how much influence you have on her attitude towards your father is almost magical. You can still save her from a life of turmoil.
That's my opinion on your situation mate. I hope that my advice helps in one way or another. But whatever you decide to do, I wish you the best of luck and happiness for you and your family,
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Finally got me out from lurking and to make an account so I could respond to this.
Now this is opinion as is everything else stated in this thread. You know your situation better than any of us, Asian, Western or whatever. YOU need to do what YOU think is right in your situation. In my opinion, one of the problems here is that people assume that if he does something, whether that's contacting CPS, moving out and not coming home, going into the military, his life is ruined. Seriously, we all have an entire fucking life to live and so many of you are assuming him not finishing school by the age of 23 is the end of the world for him. You don't need your fathers income to do so. There are loans, military, even getting your own job to save, to get you through school. If someone wants to go to college badly enough in this country, they can. His father is not his only route, just the most conventional. Your parents came here to give you the opportunity to achieve whatever you want. To say he can't do it without his dad is frankly bullshit. Does that mean it will be as easy, no, but no amount of success is worth his or his sister's happiness. I've seen way too many people with 6 figure salaries who aren't happy whereas the people making 20,000 a year are enjoying life. Can money make it easier to be happy, yes, but it is not a prerequisite.
I think we can all agree that what your father is doing is wrong. Yes he may be under stress but at the end of the day, that doesn't make what he is doing right. We are all responsible for our own actions and to say his decision to raise his hand against your family was made for him because of stress is also bullshit. You know this and that's why you put up this post. White or Asian, it's just plain WRONG. I give you credit for your willpower to suffer through 19 years of this however, just because you can, doesn't mean your sister should. Think for a second. Maybe the reason this is more prevalent in Asian families is because it is allowed? Children who were abused are more likely to end up in abusive relationships later on in life. Odds are his mom suffered similar abuse growing up and look at her current situation. I doubt you want your sister to end up in a similar place 20 years down the road, or worse. Asian women between the ages of 15-24 have the highest suicide rate of ANY culture out there.
Either way, you know your dad better than anyone. If possible I would say try and sit down and talk with him. I mean truly talk with him. Let him know you are aware that his goal is for you to have the best life you can, but that his anger is not necessary to ensure that. I hate saying this, but the worst that could happen is he gets angry about that talk, which is common enough as is. If he is willing to talk about it good, if not then you can at least say you tried and go from there.
Talk to your sister, and I mean truly talk with her. Tell her how you have felt dealing with it throughout your life so she knows she isn't alone. Let her know that you have her back in this whole situation. Give her your phone number for when you are up at school and let her know that if she ever feels alone she can call you. Let her know that no matter what, you are there for her, and live up to that. Ask her what she wants to do. You made it through this, you need to do what she needs done to get her through it. If she ever gets seriously injured, in my opinion, you have no choice but to get an outside party involved.
Dude and I mean this, if you ever need to talk, you can PM me. I might not have the right advice, but at least I can listen and offer another point of view.
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Guys .. honestly his dad is on the more extreme side of asian-immigrant parenting, but contrary to popular belief being called trash and being forced to study hard and getting punished if you don't doesn't make you grow up to be a psycho. There's a difference between extreme-parenting with good intention and being an abusive parent. Asian parents will ultimately be satisfied once their kids are successful, they are only strict on the way there.
My mom was much the same way. When I was little, I always felt put-down, and was compared with other kids. My cousins and friends were occasionally beaten with coat hangers and had their ears pulled, and slapped when they were disobeying their parents or doing poorly in academics. But none of us grew up with problems. In fact, we're all very happy people on the way to success right now. And I no longer resent my mom and neither does she behave in a manner of angry tyrnanny.
I think its true when some of the asian posters in this blog/thread are saying western kids don't understand the situation.
Be careful with the situation and assess it carefully, don't let your dad go out of control, but honestly, there's no need for rash decisions right now ..
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2010 19:29 gork84 wrote: Finally got me out from lurking and to make an account so I could respond to this.
Now this is opinion as is everything else stated in this thread. You know your situation better than any of us, Asian, Western or whatever. YOU need to do what YOU think is right in your situation. In my opinion, one of the problems here is that people assume that if he does something, whether that's contacting CPS, moving out and not coming home, going into the military, his life is ruined. Seriously, we all have an entire fucking life to live and so many of you are assuming him not finishing school by the age of 23 is the end of the world for him. You don't need your fathers income to do so. There are loans, military, even getting your own job to save, to get you through school. If someone wants to go to college badly enough in this country, they can. His father is not his only route, just the most conventional. Your parents came here to give you the opportunity to achieve whatever you want. To say he can't do it without his dad is frankly bullshit. Does that mean it will be as easy, no, but no amount of success is worth his or his sister's happiness. I've seen way too many people with 6 figure salaries who aren't happy whereas the people making 20,000 a year are enjoying life. Can money make it easier to be happy, yes, but it is not a prerequisite.
I think we can all agree that what your father is doing is wrong. Yes he may be under stress but at the end of the day, that doesn't make what he is doing right. We are all responsible for our own actions and to say his decision to raise his hand against your family was made for him because of stress is also bullshit. You know this and that's why you put up this post. White or Asian, it's just plain WRONG. I give you credit for your willpower to suffer through 19 years of this however, just because you can, doesn't mean your sister should. Think for a second. Maybe the reason this is more prevalent in Asian families is because it is allowed? Children who were abused are more likely to end up in abusive relationships later on in life. Odds are his mom suffered similar abuse growing up and look at her current situation. I doubt you want your sister to end up in a similar place 20 years down the road, or worse. Asian women between the ages of 15-24 have the highest suicide rate of ANY culture out there.
Either way, you know your dad better than anyone. If possible I would say try and sit down and talk with him. I mean truly talk with him. Let him know you are aware that his goal is for you to have the best life you can, but that his anger is not necessary to ensure that. I hate saying this, but the worst that could happen is he gets angry about that talk, which is common enough as is. If he is willing to talk about it good, if not then you can at least say you tried and go from there.
Talk to your sister, and I mean truly talk with her. Tell her how you have felt dealing with it throughout your life so she knows she isn't alone. Let her know that you have her back in this whole situation. Give her your phone number for when you are up at school and let her know that if she ever feels alone she can call you. Let her know that no matter what, you are there for her, and live up to that. Ask her what she wants to do. You made it through this, you need to do what she needs done to get her through it. If she ever gets seriously injured, in my opinion, you have no choice but to get an outside party involved.
Dude and I mean this, if you ever need to talk, you can PM me. I might not have the right advice, but at least I can listen and offer another point of view.
I almost feel like if he would actually sit down and talk with his dad about this stuff, his dad would be like "wtf, this kid thinks he can tell me what to do? rageeeeeeeeeeeee". At least, that's the impression I get from reading this, as you've mentioned, he knows his dad best, and can best judge what his reaction would be.
Tough situation, I hate reading stories like these on TL, always so depressing. Amazes me how stern some (asian?) parents are with their kids.
Hope you keep us updated with what you decide to do :o
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I think the ultimate question is this: is your family happy.
If it's not, then something should change.
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wow its just insane how some dudes (kissblade etc...) are actually defending him.. such a sad sad world. His sister is getting beaten and you advice to suck up to him.... no words can describe how dumb that is...
let me sum up 13 pages. YOUR SISTER IS GETTING BEATEN BY YOUR DAD, WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
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On July 13 2010 11:40 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +I think that we both should know that we can't turn out like our parents did. I swore to myself that I would not get my kids to hate me. If they did, I said I deserved to rot in hell. That's what I think we need to get from this. We should not make the same mistakes they did. And I swore to myself that I would not see my parents or ever call them when I grow up to show how badly they messed up. I have contemplated suicide many times and even choked myself with a jump rope one time. You should never see your dad ever again. I will meet my sister and check up on her, but I will never unless I have to see my parents when I grow up. wow man, this is actually exactly how i feel. Except i never attempted suicide, thought about it though. I have also set a promise to myself to never turn out like my dad, and i would keep telling myself if i ever became abusive to my children, or a wife beater i might just as well call the cops and get myself into jail. I can't play sc2 either my pc sux too much  . But ya i totally feel you man. I think i have it a little better than you do. My dad doesn't go berzerk when we tell him we don't wanna watch a movie with him T.T
I know exactly how that feels as well ... I think I've become overly pacifistic because of how much physical and verbal abuse I endured as a kid. Definitely had lots of suicidal thoughts, I can remember as early as 3rd grade picking up the kitchen knife and thinking to myself, "There's two ways out of this, kill myself or kill him then kill myself." Man that sounds so overly dramatic, esp. as a 9 yr old, but I cried myself to sleep every night, I was so miserable.
Well, a lot has been said in this thread already so I'll keep my own opinion short and just echo whoever I think said it best.
This guy got it down 100% right I think: (spoilered cuz it's long)
Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote:On July 13 2010 08:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: If you're not exaggerating then please at least contact the counselors at your school. WTF LOL. I fucking hate suggestions like these; please make yourself sound more oblivious and ignorant to the person's situation. Do you really fucking think those counselors will do SHIT? Not trying to attack you and be bm, but there are so many reasons why you can't just "tell on the counselors" regarding family issues. ------------- To the poster: Damn... I understand completely what you're talking about. My dad goes into unreasonable rage modes every once in a while that just breaks the whole family apart. I won't QQ about my dad since it won't do any good but I hope that you'll be able to keep a clean conscience and a good heart even when he rages again. Some words of advice? Idk. I'm still a noob at this too hahaha: 1. Know that he is being unreasonable, BUT understand that he must be stressed because of ____ or ____. 2. HATE him for his stupid actions, but love and forgive him because he's your father. 3. Whenever it's your sister or mother who is afflicted by your father's rages, remember to always stay by their sides and comfort them. They need you. 4. Whenever you're afflicted, don't do anything reckless. Just swallow the anger or take it out on an inanimate object -- you're a better person. (Unless the dad does COMPLETELY unreasonable, like idk actually physically HURTING your mom or sister brutally, then which I don't think I could even hold myself back from attacking him.) And that's it I think. I don't know if this'll help much, but I really have been (and still continue to be) in your situation before so... stay strong  Gooooood luck.
Especially #2. I spent so many years forcing myself to forgive, because seriously man ... hatred sucks. The only way out of those thought spirals where you end up raging and thinking of revenge is forgiveness ... even today, 10 yrs after high school, I still struggle with suddenly raging/wanting revenge...
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I agree with koreasilver and kissblade. Over their posts, they covered my thoughts on the situation.
This is an interesting thread, through which I learned how differently white people and Asians Americans perceive the situation.
The father in a household is constantly under a lot of stress: work, income, wellbeing of the family, success of the children, etc etc, and the fact that the times are hard probably isn't helping. When things go sour, the father typically feels the need to establish himself, especially within the family, which is why he might seek unnecessary ways to demonstrate his dominance, be it yelling at his wife or disciplining his children (note: please stop saying "beat", it's not the same). While it's not always the case, but I feel, most of the time, the father isn't abusive. While I don't agree with this approach, I don't think it's fair for everyone who's ignorant of the culture/situation to jump in and starting yelling "get CPS". I feel that'll just make things a whole lot worse than they are. Remember, the father always wants the best for the family, he has a strong sense of responsibility. He will likely sacrifice everything he has to pay for his children's education, to provide food, etc.
While my father wasn't nearly as bad as yours, our family certainly had its own rough patches during our earlier years of immigration (when I was about 11-13), my parents would always argue and my dad was almost never happy with me, etc. Things gradually got better as our family settled in. But of course, my dad never treated me with any sort of encouragement regardless how well I did in school (I was #1 in my grade throughout last two years of high school) and always wanted me to do better (I think he feels that if he showed any signs content, I would stop trying). Now that I am making more money than he is, he treats me a lot better, and we have drinks together and have random talks, basically things are a lot better. I think it's because he feels that I am finally able to support myself and he is happy that everything worked out okay for me.
I also think you should occasionally stand up for yourself in front your dad. I remember this one time my dad yelled at me for some stupid shit that was inconsequential to anything, and instead of just taking it like I always did, I just looked at him in the eye and told him in a very calm tone that what he's saying is totally random and made no relation to anything else. I think it helps him realize that you've grown up, which should make him happy.
Overall, while I don't think the Chinese upbringing it ideal, I think it's passable, and the Chinese kids usually turn out pretty well. I really disliked my dad when I was in grade 11 and grade 12 (and I even wrote some dumbass short story for english class where a prince killed his father), thinking back, it wasn't all bad. I probably wouldn't be where I am without my dad (the constant disappoint helped, now that I think about it, I think he was probably secretly happy with me and just never showed it).
I am really drunk, and I hope this whole chinese wall of text makes some sense.
GL to you OP, I hope things work out for you and your family. Of course, i can't fully access your situation from your few posts, but I assume it's similar to mine and those who have immigrant parents with high expectations (this is also spurred from the fact that they gave up everything they had for their kids' future, which is a very courageous and selfless thing to do), so I hope at least my past has shed some light on your situation. But please, re-evaluate it carefully before taking drastic measures (such as those suggested by 90% of the psoters here), because once you commit, there is no undo, and you just might fuck up what you have.
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When I read the title I thought that "this must be again another asian parent blog"
But when I read everything through I think it's not only about asian culture your dad is sick man. I suggest you, your sister and your mum move out as soon as possible...See if your dad could realize how important the family is, and change his attitude. If not, just leave him...
Im not sure about calling Child Services, because could it make thing even worse?
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I would also advice contacting some kind of social services or the police. It may seem bad at the time, but compared to what may come in the future I believe it's the only possible move.
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It's none of my business GS, but if your sister is getting physically beaten, with slaps, punches, or kicks, you should call protective services, or at least talk with them. Find out some information, I highly doubt that you call and then they raid your house, you can can and ask for information on what their next steps would be if you officially called for help. By not calling, even just for information on what would happen, you're doing a great disservice to your mother and especially sister.
Good luck, although I am a bit puzzled why you post this on TL and not SWBK.
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I thought you'd be a little kid bitching about some little thing like your dad turning off your xbox and telling you to go play outside but DAMN, he's got some issues.
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so strange how all the asian kids justify the behavior with him having stress at work.
WAKE UP 90% of all adults are going to work and having stress at work, welcome to the real life... how brainwashed you have to be to take that as an excuse. You all can write your 10 pages of text how its all so different in asian families etc.. doesnt change the fact that it is a case of child abuse and there is NO excuse for it.
and if you had a little self respect you wouldn't tolerate that, and most of all not give him advice to "swallow the anger" ...
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On July 14 2010 05:14 deo.deo wrote: so strange how all the asian kids justify the behavior with him having stress at work.
WAKE UP 90% of all adults are going to work and having stress at work, welcome to the real life... how brainwashed you have to be to take that as an excuse. You all can write your 10 pages of text how its all so different in asian families etc.. doesnt change the fact that it is a case of child abuse and there is NO excuse for it.
and if you had a little self respect you wouldn't tolerate that, and most of all not give him advice to "swallow the anger" ...
After going through the thread a bit and looking at some posts I agree 100%. I don't know how many of the posters of such ridiculousness are Asian, but I agree with you saying how shocking it is that people are defending this father assuming it's true. I don't care who your father is, you don't hit your wife or your kids. My father owns his own company and has a lot of stress as well. I live in a household that makes a large portion more than the average family, so I can say I feel my father probably has more stress than the average man, and he's never beaten any one in my family.
To every one here saying, "Try to understand he's under a lot of stress" and things to that degree, are you insane? Every father gets angry and over-reacts, but either I have a saint of a father who can control himself to not punch, slap, or kick his kids or wife and that is outside of the norm, or every one who has posted the former needs a reality check.
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Look, you have to be there for your sister. You need to develop a REALLY strong bond with her. Take her out to lunch at least once a week, see her every couple of days. Ring her up and talk to her often. Give her the option of coming over and staying with you whenever she wants, no questions asked. Just the two of you.
She is 10 years old. She needs someone who she can turn to and someone who will look after her. And most importantly someone she can talk to, who knows what she is going through and that she can trust. Your mum isnt going to be there for her and she cannot be left to go through this abuse alone, it could fuck her up for life.
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This is a no brainer imo. A 10 year old girl is getting beaten. Even if you might not think so, you still have the responsibility as a big brother to protect her, even if it is from your own father. Something needs to be done, and just ''accepting it and waiting till you get away'' would be wrong imo.
Be it child services, police, counselors, or even you just going up to him yourself and explaining that enough is enough, something has to be done.
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FUCK, my dad is exactly like that. I'm the only child and I've been mostly away for college. So my mom has been taking the brunt of it all. Damn I would burst into tears whenever I think about how my mom has gone through these years...
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Id have to agree with most of the people here. I know im repeating people here but there is no way anyone can justify "stress at work" as a reasoning to act the way he does. It just.. doesnt make sense. Your father is just a coward who cant cope with everyday life so he has to lash it out to those weaker then him to make himself feel important and better. Thats all there is to it.
Oh yeah, and not to mention that the OP has mentioned that his father never seems stressed about work, he's always bragging at how awesome the company is. Anyways, how much of that is true or not, what he is doing is wrong.
Those who are sadly protecting his father by arguing about stress and shit need to stop and think for a minute. Is there anything.. ANYTHING.. ANYTHING out there that justifies leaving bruises on a 10 yr old girls face and body?? Please, i would like to know how far your idiocy goes.
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On July 13 2010 15:50 Orome wrote: haha the communist 'accusation' was in the tone, not the content.
It's interesting that I think you started off saying the people in this thread were too idealistic and in the end your solution seems the most idealistic of all (I don't mean that derogatively) in that it focuses on the means to come to a true solution, not a patchwork solution that lets everyone get by. but yeah, this is getting way too complicated for my tired brain and there's a good chance I'm misreading your argument. I really need to go sleep.
maybe later! I started off berating others because they seemed to believe that any sort of shallow measures will solve his problems. In this way I still disagree with KissBlade even if we both agree that Westerners will not understand the subtleties of the situation, because he is advocating a soft approach where one comes to reconciliation with the system and I am advocating an eventual deconstruction of the system as a whole which will always require a decisive action at some point in time. But to deconstruct the system you must have an intimate understanding of the system not just through knowledge but direct experience and wisdom, and this is why outsiders can never fix the actual fundamental issues as they will only be able to fix what is on the surface. Even we fellow Asians that have experienced the same things are limited in what we can do as every case is different, and as such every answer will be and can only be a subjective answer, not an objective one. It doesn't seem like YPang's father is even reconcilable in any way anyway. His actions and his words, if we assume that YPang is truthful, are completely decadent. The fact that the father doesn't beat YPang anymore as he grew just shows even though he has contempt for his academic achievements, etc., kinda just shows that the father is a coward that takes advantage of whatever he can. There is no use in reconciling with such a man as it simply enables him. From what little I know it doesn't seem like YPang's father cares for the success of others. His family is simply his punching bag (pun not intended). This has to be pulled by the roots, and this action can only be done by YPang himself and his sister. Outside help in the form of public services can only serve to help the symptoms. The cause can only be amended by the individual himself.
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My dad's reason for not beating me anymore is he says "you're older so you understand the importance of education", and when i was younger he would say i don't understand importance of education even though i reiteriate what he told me word for word verbatim when i was younger, and i still do.
My sister is going through a similar childhood as me, but she has it WAY WAY easier than i did as a child. I could go on forever, but when i first immigrated to north america and didn't know ANY english at the age of 8, i was beaten in average of 3 times a week, for month. Because i couldn't bring any of the school work home, and back in china everything handed back to us could be brought home. So they thought i was hiding it from them, and they didn't understand nor believe me.
His philosophy is "If you don't succeed academically, nothing else matters, not even food nor sleep" -no exaggeration, translated as best as i could from chinese to english.
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On July 14 2010 07:32 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 15:50 Orome wrote: haha the communist 'accusation' was in the tone, not the content.
It's interesting that I think you started off saying the people in this thread were too idealistic and in the end your solution seems the most idealistic of all (I don't mean that derogatively) in that it focuses on the means to come to a true solution, not a patchwork solution that lets everyone get by. but yeah, this is getting way too complicated for my tired brain and there's a good chance I'm misreading your argument. I really need to go sleep.
maybe later! I started off berating others because they seemed to believe that any sort of shallow measures will solve his problems. In this way I still disagree with KissBlade even if we both agree that Westerners will not understand the subtleties of the situation, because he is advocating a soft approach where one comes to reconciliation with the system and I am advocating an eventual deconstruction of the system as a whole which will always require a decisive action at some point in time. But to deconstruct the system you must have an intimate understanding of the system not just through knowledge but direct experience and wisdom, and this is why outsiders can never fix the actual fundamental issues as they will only be able to fix what is on the surface. Even we fellow Asians that have experienced the same things are limited in what we can do as every case is different, and as such every answer will be and can only be a subjective answer, not an objective one. It doesn't seem like YPang's father is even reconcilable in any way anyway. His actions and his words, if we assume that YPang is truthful, are completely decadent. The fact that the father doesn't beat YPang anymore as he grew just shows even though he has contempt for his academic achievements, etc., kinda just shows that the father is a coward that takes advantage of whatever he can. There is no use in reconciling with such a man as it simply enables him. From what little I know it doesn't seem like YPang's father cares for the success of others. His family is simply his punching bag (pun not intended). This has to be pulled by the roots, and this action can only be done by YPang himself and his sister. Outside help in the form of public services can only serve to help the symptoms. The cause can only be amended by the individual himself.
yada yada ... only because you use big words doesnt make it anymore reasonable. The bottom line is a child gets abused and it should be stopped, in ANY country, religion or ethnicity. The rest is just talk to talk.
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"You understand the importance of education" and then he berates you for not having good grades. It just seems like he realizes that he can't beat you all he wants anymore. Seems like a convenient excuse.
The thing is, even besides this the entire tirade of your mom and the meat for the barbecue and what ensued afterwards because of it is just unjustifiable. This is a deep seated issue with your dad that goes beyond the general cultural issues. Your dad is decadent.
The obsession with academics in the greater Asian society is a cancer, but this is a separate issue. Your dad is irreconcilable because he acts in a way that cannot be justified even if we put the cultural obsession with academics as a right.
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On July 14 2010 07:47 deo.deo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 07:32 koreasilver wrote:On July 13 2010 15:50 Orome wrote: haha the communist 'accusation' was in the tone, not the content.
It's interesting that I think you started off saying the people in this thread were too idealistic and in the end your solution seems the most idealistic of all (I don't mean that derogatively) in that it focuses on the means to come to a true solution, not a patchwork solution that lets everyone get by. but yeah, this is getting way too complicated for my tired brain and there's a good chance I'm misreading your argument. I really need to go sleep.
maybe later! I started off berating others because they seemed to believe that any sort of shallow measures will solve his problems. In this way I still disagree with KissBlade even if we both agree that Westerners will not understand the subtleties of the situation, because he is advocating a soft approach where one comes to reconciliation with the system and I am advocating an eventual deconstruction of the system as a whole which will always require a decisive action at some point in time. But to deconstruct the system you must have an intimate understanding of the system not just through knowledge but direct experience and wisdom, and this is why outsiders can never fix the actual fundamental issues as they will only be able to fix what is on the surface. Even we fellow Asians that have experienced the same things are limited in what we can do as every case is different, and as such every answer will be and can only be a subjective answer, not an objective one. It doesn't seem like YPang's father is even reconcilable in any way anyway. His actions and his words, if we assume that YPang is truthful, are completely decadent. The fact that the father doesn't beat YPang anymore as he grew just shows even though he has contempt for his academic achievements, etc., kinda just shows that the father is a coward that takes advantage of whatever he can. There is no use in reconciling with such a man as it simply enables him. From what little I know it doesn't seem like YPang's father cares for the success of others. His family is simply his punching bag (pun not intended). This has to be pulled by the roots, and this action can only be done by YPang himself and his sister. Outside help in the form of public services can only serve to help the symptoms. The cause can only be amended by the individual himself. yada yada ... only because you use big words doesnt make it anymore reasonable. The bottom line is a child gets abused and it should be stopped, in ANY country, religion or ethnicity. The rest is just talk to talk. If you are able to read you would know that I am not disagreeing with you. But because you cannot read nor even try to read, you are an idiot. You speak for the sake of speaking with no justifications or reason. You are lazy, complacent, and ignorant.
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^ agreed, I've had my own share of problems with my dad. Long story short, even though my mom ran away from him with me and my sisters, we ended up being with our dad again. However, by then, all of us were old enough, 14-21 yrs old, and we did not fuck around when he started to do all that terrible shit again. Fighting back (not literally fistfighting -_-) did not solve everything instantly but in the long run, it was definitely worth it. I'm not a badass Asian or anything, neither are my sisters, however we did it because it was the right thing to do.
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Are you even reading? I'm not arguing against seeking help. I am arguing that just that by itself is not enough as it doesn't solve the root of the problem. In the end it has to be YPang that does something to solve the root of the issue. I can only assume that you actually can't read or even try to read, and putting words into my mouth? I never said that social workers will ruin the family? You're making false accusations and arguing against an argument that I have never said. You are pretty much running completely off of emotional arguments without even trying to read arguments - that aren't even completely contrary. I never said that outside help will not help at all, I am saying that it can not solve the fundamental issue. There's no point in arguing with you as you aren't arguing - you are simply spewing words with no cohesiveness.
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I mean, you two can might as well post "tldr; too lazy to read and I have no idea what you're saying but you're wrong!"
You should apply to work for Fox News.
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On July 14 2010 08:08 koreasilver wrote: I mean, you two can might as well post "tldr; too lazy to read and I have no idea what you're saying but you're wrong!"
You should apply to work for Fox News.
? Sorry, I only read Jumperer's post, I didn't realize that you two were in a debate together. I was simply stating with my post that, YPang should at least try to do something about his problem such as school guidance, a talk with entire family, moving out, or I don't know, whatever might be beneficial. Anyway, please leave me out of this thing between you and jumperer, I think just because I said "agreed", you thought I was backing him up which is completely false.
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Oh, I don't mean you, sorry. Didn't see you there. I was talking to Jumperer and deo.deo.
What you and your sisters did is what YPang and his sister needs to do. They need to muster the strength and courage to break apart the cause of the issue, not just put band aids over the symptoms ad infinitum.
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Perhaps you need to look into yourself and actually read my posts. I have been advocating action the entire time. Your argument is fundamentally flawed because you don't care about the root of the problem, and because of it your arguments are useless because it leaves the root be; and so the problem will recur infinitely. What use is plastering on a band-aid on a flesh wound when the bones are shattered and organs poisoned. Your position is a defeatist position and through it you accept the decadent culture that you speak out against. Because of this, you are useless.
Your arguments are valid but pitifully limited. If your way was the "answer" then there really is no answer. We must strive to fix the fundamental issues so that the symptoms will never be, not tend to the symptoms and let the body rot regardless.
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Your position is a defeatist position because you do not care about the root of the problem. Because you don't care about the fundamental issues with the culture you enable it. You do not believe the root of the problem cannot be fixed - what is this but a defeatist attitude?
Again, you didn't read any of my previous posts as I specifically said:
Even we fellow Asians that have experienced the same things are limited in what we can do as every case is different, and as such every answer will be and can only be a subjective answer, not an objective one. Who are you arguing against, exactly, besides an imaginary opponent?
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You're a fucking idiot. And people wonder how the governments can lead the population around like sheep; you don't need any reason, just rile them up emotionally!
User was temp banned for this post.
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And yet you are confused over why I call you a defeatist. There is no direct slavery in most societies now - why? Rates of murder and rape have diminished greatly in the human race on average - why? Because there have been direct efforts to change the culture and change how people think. Your method of thinking completely ignores exactly how societies have progressed into how things are now. Yes, there are still many, many things wrong. But it has still been an improvement and so we must continue to strive to improve upon improvements. Just because nothing can be fixed in a short period of time you don't care about the actual roots of the issue? That is lazy and degenerate.
Who cares? People that have tried in spite of all that is against them to move forward. In spite of the human condition to strive to put another step ahead. And our condition is infinitely intimate with YPang's condition as he is also another being that is subject to the human condition. What I said is relevant as in the end the only person that can find the answer to YPang's situation is YPang himself, because all cases are different in their own way.
It also isn't just a mere coincidence that those who have no argument to venture into poor personal attacks. Perhaps you should be tending to your own ego.
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The problem here is there is no 'winning solution'
Every solution posted has its downfall.
If he stays quiet, he and his family will continued to be abused If he contacts CPS, then his father will get angrier and possibly the household's source of income will be gone
What I've seen in this thread are people advising one course of action, and another people pointing out the faults with that plan and suggesting the other plan.
Stop arguing guys... It's going in circles in everyone's quest to find a perfect solution
There is no perfect solution
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Not to interrupt the interesting argument but yes Jumperer you are a nerd.
We all are, it's ok.
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Holy shit, I just got a mix of intellectual debate and emotional rage. Jumperer, koreasilver, I respect you both.
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My sister wanted to come too, but she was caught by my dad while she was putting on her shoes. At the end I found out that she was screamed at, and was forced to slap herself on the face hard (this happens often as punishment for her) and was forced to stand in the basement.
It sounds like your father has a severe mental illness. Without intervention, generally abusive people only become more abusive, not less. If you don't take action now, or at least get your mother and sister to a abused women's support shelter, you never know how things might turn out:
An enraged man beat his partner with a broom handle and poured boiling water over her abdomen and legs, stuffing her mouth with a sponge to stifle her screams.
The Wellington woman thought she would die during the four-day "reign of terror" in which she suffered severe burns and a broken eye socket.
Dean Carl Griffiths, 41, pleaded guilty to wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, assault with a weapon, breach of a protection order and three charges of assault.
Yesterday, Judge Stephen Harrop in Wellington District Court said there had been an element of torture to Griffiths' "reign of terror" over his partner of several years. The judge jailed him for 7 1/2 years and ordered him to serve half the term.
Griffiths pleaded guilty during the trial, after his partner, whose name is suppressed, gave evidence.
The court was told Griffiths and his partner argued over four days last August. He punched her, leaving her bruised all over her body and with a broken eye socket. At one point he beat her for several hours with a broomstick, breaking it in two.
He pushed a sponge into her mouth and poured boiling water over her abdomen and legs.
Judge Harrop said the behaviour was "gross, barbaric and demeaning". He could only imagine the outcry if the same treatment had been given to an animal.
Griffiths' partner was wearing a thin nightdress that provided no protection and the pain was excruciating, Judge Harrap said.
There had been previous violence in their relationship and the woman had taken a protection order out against Griffiths early last year.
Judge Harrop said the victim thought she could die during the abuse. She needed five months of constant redressing of her wounds and they became infected. She could no longer expose them to hot water or the sun. It would take two years before they were considered healed.
Though there was likely to be scarring, it was accepted there would be no longer-term consequences, Judge Harrap said.
In a victim impact statement, Griffiths' partner had said he "could make me feel so good about myself and could make me feel so bad".
Judge Harrap said the couple's problems had grown worse after the death of twins the year before – one was miscarried and the other died shortly after birth. Defence lawyer Noel Sainsbury said the couple were in a dysfunctional and co-dependent relationship made worse by the loss of their twins and their inability to deal with it.
The court was told Griffiths had told police his partner had made up the abuse and the injuries were self-inflicted. But Crown lawyer Tom Gilbert said there was remarkable cruelty involved and the victim had suffered severe pain and would take a long time to recover.
- The Dominion Post.
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What you, your sis and your mum are going through is domestic abuse.
If you have someone you trust to keep quiet who is close to you and will give you advice then seek it immediately. Do you know a family member or friend of the family whom your dad will listen to that will be sympathetic to your situation? If so then maybe they can try and have a calm and non-confrontational chat with him to help him see the error of his ways.
It might not work. It might make him worse. Whatever happens you should start formulating a get-up-and-go plan for you and your sis at the very least. You're her big brother and she's only a kid so you need to protect her as much as you can. Your parents are adults. Hard as it is it's not your duty to sort out their problems for them. Just focus on making sure you and your sis are safe first.
I wish you the very best of luck.
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Wow, last two pages are such banhammer-worthy.
Anyways, like I said before, you'll probably get better advice from a counselor. Usually, school counselors don't charge students, so I'd go there.
But of course, I'll add my own take on it too, because I'm human. Remember, the following is opinion.
Violence, or threat of violence, is one of the last resorts. "I will die if I do not do this" should be passing through your head if you're using violence.
Violence within a family is completely, utterly intolerable. I'm in the camp that says physical discipline is unnecessary, so I can therefore sidestep the "when does it stop being discipline and start being abuse?" problem.
So, if there is violence in your family, do not tolerate it. I don't know your dad, and I don't know your relationship with him, but if you feel you owe it to him, or out of respect, perhaps, you can sit down and try to talk with him first. Make it very clear what the problem is, why it's a problem, and why he needs to fix it.
Of course, there are always unintended consequences. This could result in your dad beating you, or instead taking it out on your sister and your mother. Think about what could happen, think about what you can do about it. Maybe tell your mom and sister to be out of the house for the day. Have a couple of big friends loitering outside your house for a couple of hours. (You don't want to die, either.)
If the talking doesn't work (I don't expect it to with a man who beats his wife and kids), it's time to call the cops or whoever else that has the muscle and authority to do something about it. (Your sister's a minor? At the very least, there are child protection services in the US.)
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What if, in a hypothetical situation, an Asian immigrant parent actually has a disorder of some kind? For us westerners it's hard to discern where the line is. I feel this is abuse, and I think that the feelings you, your sister, your mother and even your father, experience, have no place in life. But life has so many colours, how can I tell what's good or bad in such a situation?
The only constructive thing I can add, is that this culture, this way of upbringing, reminds me off Europe in the 19th century. China, in the way it functions today, already seemed to me to have many similarities to the time of the industrial revolution. To westerners, it's just really, really outdated. But to the Chinese, it might be the only way forward. We in the west had to go through that dark age of smog, of 20 hour workdays, of inequality and of nationwide depression. Who's to say that China, and other Asian countries, don't need that phase as well?
I would be delighted, relieved really, if we could spare the Asians that terrible period of time that still is edged in our collective memory. The culture of the 19th century brought forth some the greatest evil the world has ever seen. On the other hand, it was also the cradle of our modern, semi-enlightened time and age. How can I tell what's good or bad?
YPang, my thoughts are with you, and with all other Asian youngsters that have to suffer through all this. Take the right road. Tao, that's what the people back in China used to call it, right? Keep ol' Confucius in mind, but don't forget the Tao either.
Best of luck.
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Hmph. You can color this as a product of cultural difference, but it's irrelevant. It doesn't help in solving the problem, and it doesn't help us understand the problem any more clearly.
Oh, and "disorder" or not, the harm he is inflicting is real, regardless of the reason. A raving lunatic who derails a train because the voices told him to kills just as many people as the jihadist who does it because a book tells him to, or a soldier does "for justice." There should be sufficient efforts to stop all three, instead of looking at the lunatic and saying "oh, he has, you know, a disorder. Let's not stop that one."
There is no need to go through what mister refers to as a "phase." One doesn't look at a young criminal and say "oh, maybe he just needs go through that phase before he becomes a productive member of society, just like xyz."
I'll shut up before I get more sidetracked.
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On July 14 2010 12:57 BottleAbuser wrote: Hmph. You can color this as a product of cultural difference, but it's irrelevant. It doesn't help in solving the problem, and it doesn't help us understand the problem any more clearly.
Oh, and "disorder" or not, the harm he is inflicting is real, regardless of the reason. A raving lunatic who derails a train because the voices told him to kills just as many people as the jihadist who does it because a book tells him to, or a soldier does "for justice." There should be sufficient efforts to stop all three, instead of looking at the lunatic and saying "oh, he has, you know, a disorder. Let's not stop that one."
There is no need to go through what mister refers to as a "phase." One doesn't look at a young criminal and say "oh, maybe he just needs go through that phase before he becomes a productive member of society, just like xyz."
I'll shut up before I get more sidetracked.
It's just an idea... And I'm talking about broad lines here. Not about practical advice. So in a way it is irrelevant. The phase you are talking about is more specific than the one I was musing about. I do not believe in any way that a criminal is just going through a phase. Also, I was talking about a disorder precisely because you then can do something about it. Not the other way round... I'm sad that I failed to communicate my idea clearly. 
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Any updates regarding the situation OP?
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I hate my dad too. But when I read what your dad's like, my dad is really harmless.
Sucks that your father never learned to just enjoy life for what it is and be happy with what he's got. My father is expecting me to follow a certain path that just isn't for me, and he's disappointed and tries to make me learn things he finds interesting through various types of punishment. I've never been interested in the things he's interested in, and it annoys me every time when he looks down on me for not finding whatever he likes interesting.
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If you call protective services, your mom is not gonna give up your dad, because frankly people here don't consider what the alternative is and don't understand the Chinese community.
It's not easy and it certainly won't be "harm"-free for your family emotionally. Best thing for the OP to do is to protect your sister, your mom probably knows how to handle herself; your sister isn't as able.
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Don't call anyone unless something really bad happens. Just endure it for now, not much you can do. Watch out for your sis, if you see more bruises talk to your dad directly and threaten him. When you are out of college just move on and let him be. Maybe you will be able to support your mother and allow her to decide whether she wants to stay with her husband or move out, for now you have no option.
I thought your sis was a bit older, unless you have 2 sisters.
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I don't know how you can sit there and not call social services when your sister is being beaten on a regular basis. She deserves better than that. Beyond that, there are college funds available to those who have been raised in the care of social services. The bottom line is your parents don't deserve to raise your sister and your sister deserves much better treatment.
Inaction in this case is action. You are as guilty for the treatment of your sister by sitting by and doing nothing.
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You're dad is a fob or something right?
Everybody all "go call child services" is stupid. They have no idea what that even means or entails. They just look "oh man, something bad is happening that I don't think should happen....so I need to do something about it."
Just suck it up and live with it. You're almost out. Support your sister till she gets out and don't look back. Grow a pair. Tell your dad you actually love your sister, unlike him and will beat the fuck out of him if he touches her.
There was one girl I dated who was in a remarkably similar situation familywise. Dad being mentally, emotionally, and physically abusive towards everybody in the family. Sometimes under the influence, sometimes not. He actually went to jail a few times for domestic violence (not charged, cause the mom/wife didnt wanna press charges, but they chilled him out in jail). And he cheated and slept around and shit.
So, one day before he knew I was dating his daughter he called her while I was with her and started seriously verbally berating her. I took the phone and told him to fuck off, basically and hung up on him. She was scared and all cause....nobody does that. He makes all the money etc etc etc. Typical asian response.
So I think he lightens up mostly, one day I was picking her up when he was arguing with my gf's sister. Not my business because she DOES have a tendency to act out and stuff. Except when I was turning to go, he hits her. I'm not against physical discipline necessarily, but this was like, closed fist action repeatedly.
Just kinda stomp into the room, tell him he can't fucking do that. They usually get blustery and who the fuck are you etc etc etc. Trying to intimidate you or whatever. He might even threaten to hit you too. You just stand your ground, steel your spine, and give him the best jaedong-deathglare you can. Don't be a pussy. Don't back down. Be a fucking man. Be worthwhile.
If he hits you, beat the fuck out of him. If you cant beat the fuck out of him, bring a crew and do it. The answer is to respond first in a way bullies understand. Show them that they do not rule the block and people will stand up to them. This will solve the majority of cases. Bullies exert power into a vacuum where nobody contests it. In the minority cases that physical violence is necessary, a dose or two of good action is all it takes.
In the end, it all turned out okay and no violence was necessary. However, you DO have to be willing to visit it upon whomever. I can't take all the credit for helping in this case, because the wife's friends were also putting some asian politik pressure on him as well, but it does work in the other situations.
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On July 27 2010 14:45 dogabutila wrote: You're dad is a fob or something right?
Everybody all "go call child services" is stupid. They have no idea what that even means or entails. They just look "oh man, something bad is happening that I don't think should happen....so I need to do something about it."
Just suck it up and live with it. You're almost out. Support your sister till she gets out and don't look back. Grow a pair. Tell your dad you actually love your sister, unlike him and will beat the fuck out of him if he touches her.
There was one girl I dated who was in a remarkably similar situation familywise. Dad being mentally, emotionally, and physically abusive towards everybody in the family. Sometimes under the influence, sometimes not. He actually went to jail a few times for domestic violence (not charged, cause the mom/wife didnt wanna press charges, but they chilled him out in jail). And he cheated and slept around and shit.
So, one day before he knew I was dating his daughter he called her while I was with her and started seriously verbally berating her. I took the phone and told him to fuck off, basically and hung up on him. She was scared and all cause....nobody does that. He makes all the money etc etc etc. Typical asian response.
So I think he lightens up mostly, one day I was picking her up when he was arguing with my gf's sister. Not my business because she DOES have a tendency to act out and stuff. Except when I was turning to go, he hits her. I'm not against physical discipline necessarily, but this was like, closed fist action repeatedly.
Just kinda stomp into the room, tell him he can't fucking do that. They usually get blustery and who the fuck are you etc etc etc. Trying to intimidate you or whatever. He might even threaten to hit you too. You just stand your ground, steel your spine, and give him the best jaedong-deathglare you can. Don't be a pussy. Don't back down. Be a fucking man. Be worthwhile.
If he hits you, beat the fuck out of him. If you cant beat the fuck out of him, bring a crew and do it. The answer is to respond first in a way bullies understand. Show them that they do not rule the block and people will stand up to them. This will solve the majority of cases. Bullies exert power into a vacuum where nobody contests it. In the minority cases that physical violence is necessary, a dose or two of good action is all it takes.
In the end, it all turned out okay and no violence was necessary. However, you DO have to be willing to visit it upon whomever. I can't take all the credit for helping in this case, because the wife's friends were also putting some asian politik pressure on him as well, but it does work in the other situations.
People shouldn't just "deal with" abuse. A father is there to support, raise, and love his children not to beat them and rule over them using fear to control their lives. I never understood the idea that you need to "be a man" and deal with everything yourself. "Stand your ground and use violence". That's childish imo.
The thing to do is contact authorities. There is no reason to get physically involved when it can be resolved through the legal system. If he "beats the fuck" out of his father he can have chargers pressed against him. He can only do so much to protect his sister.
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im really sorry to hear this man
i cant understand how horrible that must be, because i was fortunate enough to have kind parents.... im really sorry you gotta go through this
i do not feel qualified in any respect to give u advice, but i know that at the very least its wrong to just leave things the way they are.
best of luck man, stay strong
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On July 27 2010 14:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2010 14:45 dogabutila wrote: You're dad is a fob or something right?
Everybody all "go call child services" is stupid. They have no idea what that even means or entails. They just look "oh man, something bad is happening that I don't think should happen....so I need to do something about it."
Just suck it up and live with it. You're almost out. Support your sister till she gets out and don't look back. Grow a pair. Tell your dad you actually love your sister, unlike him and will beat the fuck out of him if he touches her.
There was one girl I dated who was in a remarkably similar situation familywise. Dad being mentally, emotionally, and physically abusive towards everybody in the family. Sometimes under the influence, sometimes not. He actually went to jail a few times for domestic violence (not charged, cause the mom/wife didnt wanna press charges, but they chilled him out in jail). And he cheated and slept around and shit.
So, one day before he knew I was dating his daughter he called her while I was with her and started seriously verbally berating her. I took the phone and told him to fuck off, basically and hung up on him. She was scared and all cause....nobody does that. He makes all the money etc etc etc. Typical asian response.
So I think he lightens up mostly, one day I was picking her up when he was arguing with my gf's sister. Not my business because she DOES have a tendency to act out and stuff. Except when I was turning to go, he hits her. I'm not against physical discipline necessarily, but this was like, closed fist action repeatedly.
Just kinda stomp into the room, tell him he can't fucking do that. They usually get blustery and who the fuck are you etc etc etc. Trying to intimidate you or whatever. He might even threaten to hit you too. You just stand your ground, steel your spine, and give him the best jaedong-deathglare you can. Don't be a pussy. Don't back down. Be a fucking man. Be worthwhile.
If he hits you, beat the fuck out of him. If you cant beat the fuck out of him, bring a crew and do it. The answer is to respond first in a way bullies understand. Show them that they do not rule the block and people will stand up to them. This will solve the majority of cases. Bullies exert power into a vacuum where nobody contests it. In the minority cases that physical violence is necessary, a dose or two of good action is all it takes.
In the end, it all turned out okay and no violence was necessary. However, you DO have to be willing to visit it upon whomever. I can't take all the credit for helping in this case, because the wife's friends were also putting some asian politik pressure on him as well, but it does work in the other situations. People shouldn't just "deal with" abuse. A father is there to support, raise, and love his children not to beat them and rule over them using fear to control their lives. I never understood the idea that you need to "be a man" and deal with everything yourself. "Stand your ground and use violence". That's childish imo. The thing to do is contact authorities. There is no reason to get physically involved when it can be resolved through the legal system. If he "beats the fuck" out of his father he can have chargers pressed against him. He can only do so much to protect his sister.
Ideally nobody would be abused and nobody would have to deal with it. The legal system will not resolve anything. Get the dad arrested? Okay so then what do they eat? Plus whose to say that the mother will agree to press charges? Child services? Yea right. Foster homes are notorious for abusing the kids they pick up.
And the dad won't press charges. Asian culture.
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Just wanted to let you know that you are not the only kid in this situation... Many Asian parents are like that... Especially the stressed/drunk ones. It's tough and there probably is no safe solution for your family. Go the Gandhi way and fight him with peace.
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So many people are suggesting things like calling the police or child abuse or domestic abuse whatever it is.
Ionno dude. I've been in this dudes situation with college with the yelling the retarded torture-like punishments etc. Been dealing with it for as long as he has, as has my older brother, sister, and mom.
It's hard to explain asian culture to people who weren't brought up in it. Theres really not much that can be done. I know that all these years I've learned to avoid seeing my dad during the day and night, the only times i see him are at dinner where I've learned to eat my meal in under 10 minutes and not talk during. I've gone months at a time without talkign to my dad and its better that way.
All I can say is, all these years i've survived with several bruises and bloody noses, my brother survived too, barely, my sister hasn't had to go through as much. But trust me theres not much taht can be done.
If I've made it through that and my familys made it through that then I'll just say, just stick through it, I know it sucks and I know you'll think that there has to be another option better, but right now I know that just sticking through it has worked for me, so....yeah....
As Murderotica said above me, many asian families go through it.
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Stories like this make me want to grab a gun and blow people's fucking heads off. Bad people of course.
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On July 28 2010 13:20 dogabutila wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2010 14:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On July 27 2010 14:45 dogabutila wrote: You're dad is a fob or something right?
Everybody all "go call child services" is stupid. They have no idea what that even means or entails. They just look "oh man, something bad is happening that I don't think should happen....so I need to do something about it."
Just suck it up and live with it. You're almost out. Support your sister till she gets out and don't look back. Grow a pair. Tell your dad you actually love your sister, unlike him and will beat the fuck out of him if he touches her.
There was one girl I dated who was in a remarkably similar situation familywise. Dad being mentally, emotionally, and physically abusive towards everybody in the family. Sometimes under the influence, sometimes not. He actually went to jail a few times for domestic violence (not charged, cause the mom/wife didnt wanna press charges, but they chilled him out in jail). And he cheated and slept around and shit.
So, one day before he knew I was dating his daughter he called her while I was with her and started seriously verbally berating her. I took the phone and told him to fuck off, basically and hung up on him. She was scared and all cause....nobody does that. He makes all the money etc etc etc. Typical asian response.
So I think he lightens up mostly, one day I was picking her up when he was arguing with my gf's sister. Not my business because she DOES have a tendency to act out and stuff. Except when I was turning to go, he hits her. I'm not against physical discipline necessarily, but this was like, closed fist action repeatedly.
Just kinda stomp into the room, tell him he can't fucking do that. They usually get blustery and who the fuck are you etc etc etc. Trying to intimidate you or whatever. He might even threaten to hit you too. You just stand your ground, steel your spine, and give him the best jaedong-deathglare you can. Don't be a pussy. Don't back down. Be a fucking man. Be worthwhile.
If he hits you, beat the fuck out of him. If you cant beat the fuck out of him, bring a crew and do it. The answer is to respond first in a way bullies understand. Show them that they do not rule the block and people will stand up to them. This will solve the majority of cases. Bullies exert power into a vacuum where nobody contests it. In the minority cases that physical violence is necessary, a dose or two of good action is all it takes.
In the end, it all turned out okay and no violence was necessary. However, you DO have to be willing to visit it upon whomever. I can't take all the credit for helping in this case, because the wife's friends were also putting some asian politik pressure on him as well, but it does work in the other situations. People shouldn't just "deal with" abuse. A father is there to support, raise, and love his children not to beat them and rule over them using fear to control their lives. I never understood the idea that you need to "be a man" and deal with everything yourself. "Stand your ground and use violence". That's childish imo. The thing to do is contact authorities. There is no reason to get physically involved when it can be resolved through the legal system. If he "beats the fuck" out of his father he can have chargers pressed against him. He can only do so much to protect his sister. Ideally nobody would be abused and nobody would have to deal with it. The legal system will not resolve anything. Get the dad arrested? Okay so then what do they eat? Plus whose to say that the mother will agree to press charges? Child services? Yea right. Foster homes are notorious for abusing the kids they pick up. And the dad won't press charges. Asian culture.
fwiw as long as he strikes you first, you should be fine regarding the charges?
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This would technically be true, were it not a minor and his father. He could technically claim he was using parental rights to discipline and then you assaulted him. Etc. Then it goes to court, and we all know anything can happen in court.
In reality though, they will all view the best way to settle the matter as one without governmental help regardless.
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On July 26 2010 12:00 Pineapple wrote: Any updates regarding the situation OP?
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On July 26 2010 15:43 News wrote: Don't call anyone unless something really bad happens. Just endure it for now, not much you can do. Watch out for your sis, if you see more bruises talk to your dad directly and threaten him. When you are out of college just move on and let him be. Maybe you will be able to support your mother and allow her to decide whether she wants to stay with her husband or move out, for now you have no option.
I thought your sis was a bit older, unless you have 2 sisters.
I agree with this. I'm Asian too, and my dad is almost 100% like this except he only talks down on my family members and I. I actually wrote a blog thread like this almost a year ago, but the advice isn't as good as this thread.
What I'm trying to get at is to bear with it. If you lasted this long then you can continue to live your life. Like the quoted statement suggested, only call someone/police if it gets really serious. IN MY OPINION, Asian dads are hella stubborn. They would say or do something in order to make them sound and look like the alpha male. My dad is kinda mentally stable, but he has this attitude like he's the king and that he's the smartest man on Earth. Whenever my mom, brother, or myself, do something wrong and it's not a big deal, he goes ape shit. He then of course, starts calling things like "you're fucking stupid", "you're worthless", etc. Don't want to drag on, but good luck, and maybe give us an updated situation.
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On July 13 2010 08:48 Dozle wrote: I have the same problem, but with my mom.
When I move out I plan on taking as much shit as possible and never speaking to her again.
My dad is cool though.
Yeah same =/, it was my mother, who did this kind of shit to me. She even once tried accusing me of trying to kill her even when it was a lie, for lord knows what reason. I haven't talked to her in almost a year now though since I've been living with my dad for the past 3 years, and only because I had the guts to run away from that bitch (thank god I did). But as for the OP, man you just need to get into a I don't give a damn moment and knock your father out. If you explain this story to the cops, I'm pretty sure they'll understand, especially if you have your mother and sister to back up your story. I'm pretty sure it's obvious your father will never ever change, so you need to man up and take matters into your own hands if you really care about your mother and sister. Good luck~
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Are things a bit better now?
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