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I find it a bit disturbing how far some are going to rationalize this sort of behavior. Yes, a significant cultural rift exists between western and eastern families and there are different attitudes and philosophies how to best raise children- but a distinct line is crossed when strict parenting becomes emotional and physical abuse. Of course his father is under severe stress. All parents are at one time or another. If this stress makes you harm your family in these ways, you have utterly failed as a parent. The responsibility they shoulder does not grant them the right to be a tyrant. I appreciate that it takes great strength of character to love your parents after the things you have gone through, KissBlade, but it seems as though your own hardships have made you very jaded to all this. It should not be viewed as normal or trivialized or it will make it easier for this sort of behavior to ruin childhoods for generations to come.
I had some problems with my dad as a kid. Nothing physical, fortunately, but he would get in moods where he was extremely bitter and would yell at us a lot about nothing in particular. Other days he would seem almost unnaturally happy and forgiving. I've lately begun to suspect he has bipolar disorder. Anyway, my parents divorced when I was around 11 and I think it's been a great thing for all of us. My mom has never had much money, but she's managed to get by. I live with her (when not at school) and I see my dad a couple times a week. It's a good setup because I can stay as long as we're enjoying each other's company and I can leave if he starts to get worked up.
I'm not saying that going to CPS and trying to break your family up is the right move for you. It probably isn't, especially if your mom is so accepting of the situation. I can only say that the split worked out well for me and the rest of my childhood was much better. You're nearly out of the picture and your mom seems to be accepting of her fate, but I'm going to mirror the rest of the posts in here and say that you should focus on improving things for your sister. If that means talking things over with your dad and being sympathetic to his situation, so be it. I don't think he deserves it, but your sister does.
Good luck.
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On July 13 2010 12:48 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 12:42 Pineapple wrote: The fact that you have considered suicide means your sister is very likely thinking about it too. Grow some balls and listen to what people are fucking telling you in this thread for her sake.
Fuck the bullshit Asian apologists in this thread trying to justify your dad's actions in any way (KissBlade in particular). Your sister being beaten in the face and having to suffer belt whippings? That's child abuse.
Not Asian cultural suffering for your children bullshit.
Child fucking abuse. If this was a white family no-one would question that the father deserves jail. This is not the time for your PC nonsense. You obviously don't realize the seriousness of the situation here. Him following your shit advice can ruin his life. If you don't know about these issues, don't comment. It is simple as that. It is frustrating to read this crap because despite what well meaning some people may have, it's all just DRIVEL that they have in this idealistic world they put themselves in. They have no idea that some of the stuff they're putting forth, people are actually reading as legitimate and taking into consideration. That alone is very fucking scary to me and why I decided to post here cause I normally I don't touch blog life advice threads with a stick. In fact, I implore future would be posters to think before they post "Do I actually have experience understanding this matter?" If the answer is NO, then DON'T POST.
ok wtf, not beating the shit out of your ten year old daughter with a fucking belt is fucking "PC nonsense"? That line is the biggest load of shit I have heard in a long time. And I don't have to be Asian or in an immigrant family to recognize that. I could fucking live in a cave and tell you thats completely retarded, damaging, and immoral. If you think there's any sort of cultural background or extenuating circumstances that makes beating and kicking a fucking little kid acceptable then I don't really have anything to say to you except I hope you never reproduce.
If you care to explain in a more reasonable fashion what advice you don't suggest YPang takes due to life ruining repercussions and why, I'd love to hear it.Because what you just wrote appears batshit insane.
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Ok i figured out the financial issue!
1. Call Child Protective Services and talk with your mom about it. 2. Enlist in the army! Lots of benefits, you can get enlistment bonus's up to $20+ grand. 3. Send the money you make back to your family to help out(my father did this with his family and it worked out pretty well from what he said. Not to mention you really dont need your full paycheck. Only thing you'll be paying for is basically just your cell-phone bill and your car payment if u have one. The army pays for your living and your food, which really isnt as bad as what people think. Breakfast is amazing), as well as when u get your bonus pay(you have to get through basic + AIT before u can get your enlistment bonus) 4. Have the army pay college for you. The army has some amazing benefits when it comes to schooling. I know when i get out in 2 yrs the army will provide me up to $68 grand for college. Of course you can still go school while being in the military, alot of people do it. I chose the latter cuz i was lazy. 5. Get a freind to join with u and u get an extra $1000 or i think it might've even changed to $2000. Dont quite remember
Talk to your recruiter for more info on how the G.I Bill works and shit :D
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This is what happens when you listen with your eyes and read with your ears. You act as if I condone this behavior. I never stated any of that. What I stated was how he could understand the full situation and how he should assess reacting to it. What I said is PC nonsense is a) running away from home, washing dishes b) calling child services c) confronting his dad. NONE of these will fix anything. If anything it will make it far fucking worse because what happens if his dad ultimately realizes none of what he's doing is worth it? He quits his job and will you donate anything beyond "helpful advice" to "Help Ypang's family out"?
BTW Sobek, Asian spanking isn't the same as Westerns. Asian parents will NEVER "beat the shit" out of their kids because to them certain areas, especially the head, though if they get REALLY angry they do give a smack there, (cause intelligence is important as hell) and spine (obvious reasons) are completely off limits. Most hits are delivered to slaps, or spanks to the bum or pinches and occasional hair pulling. Does it make it justifiable? Not in certain senses of course. But I want to clear up your idea of "beating the shit out of" cause like I said, it's exactly those kind of posts that annoy me because you clearly have no idea what's going on and yet still desire to insert input. At least read, ask questions before you post.
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On July 13 2010 13:01 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 12:48 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 12:42 Pineapple wrote: The fact that you have considered suicide means your sister is very likely thinking about it too. Grow some balls and listen to what people are fucking telling you in this thread for her sake.
Fuck the bullshit Asian apologists in this thread trying to justify your dad's actions in any way (KissBlade in particular). Your sister being beaten in the face and having to suffer belt whippings? That's child abuse.
Not Asian cultural suffering for your children bullshit.
Child fucking abuse. If this was a white family no-one would question that the father deserves jail. This is not the time for your PC nonsense. You obviously don't realize the seriousness of the situation here. Him following your shit advice can ruin his life. If you don't know about these issues, don't comment. It is simple as that. It is frustrating to read this crap because despite what well meaning some people may have, it's all just DRIVEL that they have in this idealistic world they put themselves in. They have no idea that some of the stuff they're putting forth, people are actually reading as legitimate and taking into consideration. That alone is very fucking scary to me and why I decided to post here cause I normally I don't touch blog life advice threads with a stick. In fact, I implore future would be posters to think before they post "Do I actually have experience understanding this matter?" If the answer is NO, then DON'T POST. ok wtf, not beating the shit out of your ten year old daughter with a fucking belt is fucking "PC nonsense"? That line is the biggest load of shit I have heard in a long time. And I don't have to be Asian or in an immigrant family to recognize that. I could fucking live in a cave and tell you thats completely retarded, damaging, and immoral. If you think there's any sort of cultural background or extenuating circumstances that makes beating and kicking a fucking little kid acceptable then I don't really have anything to say to you except I hope you never reproduce. If you care to explain in a more reasonable fashion what advice you don't suggest YPang takes due to life ruining repercussions and why, I'd love to hear it.Because what you just wrote appears batshit insane. if he does, his family is fucked. his dad is the only one who makes money, his sister wont be any happier because she will be poor and wont have a dad in her life anymore. her life is miserable either way, might as well be miserable with money though.
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It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals.
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well, i say we donate 1$ each to seriously pwn this guy, i mean really literally, who's with me?
A) we learn when he is most alone, B) we give him some of his own medicine C) i preach him about life, while i poke him irregularly with acupuncture needles. D) we eat all his food and then steal his car crash it into his house, all the while you guys are midnight moving in the afternoon behind his back, closer to your college and !
seriously though, life's like that for some, shitty deal tho, im mostly worried about the sister, and the mother, you seem pretty hardened to it by now. Best of luck to them both sir. I wish them well.
child services isnt the best, they mostly ruin families, in this case its not a good idea, i donno how they work in the states, but here in canada, you get a surprise visit, they walk in like they own you and your fucking house telling you that this piece of furniture is a hazard let us take your kids now? wtf go fuck yourself imo. (child services that is)
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On July 13 2010 13:03 Tenryu wrote:Ok i figured out the financial issue! 1. Call Child Protective Services and talk with your mom about it. 2. Enlist in the army! Lots of benefits, you can get enlistment bonus's up to $20+ grand. 3. Send the money you make back to your family to help out(my father did this with his family and it worked out pretty well from what he said. Not to mention you really dont need your full paycheck. Only thing you'll be paying for is basically just your cell-phone bill and your car payment if u have one. The army pays for your living and your food, which really isnt as bad as what people think. Breakfast is amazing), as well as when u get your bonus pay(you have to get through basic + AIT before u can get your enlistment bonus) 4. Have the army pay college for you. The army has some amazing benefits when it comes to schooling. I know when i get out in 2 yrs the army will provide me up to $68 grand for college. Of course you can still go school while being in the military, alot of people do it. I chose the latter cuz i was lazy. 5. Get a freind to join with u and u get an extra $1000 or i think it might've even changed to $2000. Dont quite remember Talk to your recruiter for more info on how the G.I Bill works and shit :D
haha, my college is a 6 year program, and during the 3rd year they do major cuts around 30% some due to shitty grades, lack of interest, nor lack of financial funding. So i told myself if i ever get academically cut i'm just going to join the army and repay my debt with that army money, and plus they'll also pay for my college. I told that to my mother she was totally against it. But i think if i ever do get cut, i will join army regardless of what they say :\
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unless someone is being seriously physically harmed, or tortured, or mentally fucked with(i mean like brainwashed/corrupted), or molested - calling child services is a bad idea and not justified. don't give ridiculous and shitty advice.
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ITT idiots that have no understanding that believe drastic, singular measures are an answer to all situations objectively.
Welcome to the new generation! The sheltered, the complacent, the ignorant.
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On July 13 2010 13:06 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:01 sob3k wrote:On July 13 2010 12:48 KissBlade wrote:On July 13 2010 12:42 Pineapple wrote: The fact that you have considered suicide means your sister is very likely thinking about it too. Grow some balls and listen to what people are fucking telling you in this thread for her sake.
Fuck the bullshit Asian apologists in this thread trying to justify your dad's actions in any way (KissBlade in particular). Your sister being beaten in the face and having to suffer belt whippings? That's child abuse.
Not Asian cultural suffering for your children bullshit.
Child fucking abuse. If this was a white family no-one would question that the father deserves jail. This is not the time for your PC nonsense. You obviously don't realize the seriousness of the situation here. Him following your shit advice can ruin his life. If you don't know about these issues, don't comment. It is simple as that. It is frustrating to read this crap because despite what well meaning some people may have, it's all just DRIVEL that they have in this idealistic world they put themselves in. They have no idea that some of the stuff they're putting forth, people are actually reading as legitimate and taking into consideration. That alone is very fucking scary to me and why I decided to post here cause I normally I don't touch blog life advice threads with a stick. In fact, I implore future would be posters to think before they post "Do I actually have experience understanding this matter?" If the answer is NO, then DON'T POST. ok wtf, not beating the shit out of your ten year old daughter with a fucking belt is fucking "PC nonsense"? That line is the biggest load of shit I have heard in a long time. And I don't have to be Asian or in an immigrant family to recognize that. I could fucking live in a cave and tell you thats completely retarded, damaging, and immoral. If you think there's any sort of cultural background or extenuating circumstances that makes beating and kicking a fucking little kid acceptable then I don't really have anything to say to you except I hope you never reproduce. If you care to explain in a more reasonable fashion what advice you don't suggest YPang takes due to life ruining repercussions and why, I'd love to hear it.Because what you just wrote appears batshit insane. if he does, his family is fucked. his dad is the only one who makes money, his sister wont be any happier because she will be poor and wont have a dad in her life anymore. her life is miserable either way, might as well be miserable with money though.
I don't even know what you are responding too with "If he does"....I'm assuming calling CPS, which I advocate only if he looks into their response and it looks helpful or it seems his sister is in danger.
I refer you to previous post explaining that CPS will not break up his family barring serious threat of injury. If his dad is so fucking pitiful that he abandons both his children and his wife as a response to counseling then I say good riddance.
As for the (unrealistic) situation you described, I would much rather be poor than be beaten regularly by my father. Would you not?
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On July 13 2010 13:09 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:03 Tenryu wrote:Ok i figured out the financial issue! 1. Call Child Protective Services and talk with your mom about it. 2. Enlist in the army! Lots of benefits, you can get enlistment bonus's up to $20+ grand. 3. Send the money you make back to your family to help out(my father did this with his family and it worked out pretty well from what he said. Not to mention you really dont need your full paycheck. Only thing you'll be paying for is basically just your cell-phone bill and your car payment if u have one. The army pays for your living and your food, which really isnt as bad as what people think. Breakfast is amazing), as well as when u get your bonus pay(you have to get through basic + AIT before u can get your enlistment bonus) 4. Have the army pay college for you. The army has some amazing benefits when it comes to schooling. I know when i get out in 2 yrs the army will provide me up to $68 grand for college. Of course you can still go school while being in the military, alot of people do it. I chose the latter cuz i was lazy. 5. Get a freind to join with u and u get an extra $1000 or i think it might've even changed to $2000. Dont quite remember Talk to your recruiter for more info on how the G.I Bill works and shit :D haha, my college is a 6 year program, and during the 3rd year they do major cuts around 30% some due to shitty grades, lack of interest, nor lack of financial funding. So i told myself if i ever get academically cut i'm just going to join the army and repay my debt with that army money, and plus they'll also pay for my college. I told that to my mother she was totally against it. But i think if i ever do get cut, i will join army regardless of what they say :\
Ive been in the army for 5 years now and dont regret it one bit. Ive saved around $30 grand(not to mention the 68grand they promised me in my contract 5 yrs ago) in my savings with only a $1000 enlistment bonus(which my recruited got me good on. If i waited a couple months longer i could've gotten $10000 ) Just make sure if u actually are interested(which u might be ) you put more look into what u can actually get out of it, unlike i did. There's quite a few TLers that are or have been in the military, you can just post a blog about some info your curious about.
I know since ive joined the bonus's have gone way up from what i initially got, so make sure you figure out how much u can actually get before joining. And if you do join, from my experience, just remember if you treat the army good, they will treat you good.
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On July 13 2010 13:09 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 13:03 Tenryu wrote:Ok i figured out the financial issue! 1. Call Child Protective Services and talk with your mom about it. 2. Enlist in the army! Lots of benefits, you can get enlistment bonus's up to $20+ grand. 3. Send the money you make back to your family to help out(my father did this with his family and it worked out pretty well from what he said. Not to mention you really dont need your full paycheck. Only thing you'll be paying for is basically just your cell-phone bill and your car payment if u have one. The army pays for your living and your food, which really isnt as bad as what people think. Breakfast is amazing), as well as when u get your bonus pay(you have to get through basic + AIT before u can get your enlistment bonus) 4. Have the army pay college for you. The army has some amazing benefits when it comes to schooling. I know when i get out in 2 yrs the army will provide me up to $68 grand for college. Of course you can still go school while being in the military, alot of people do it. I chose the latter cuz i was lazy. 5. Get a freind to join with u and u get an extra $1000 or i think it might've even changed to $2000. Dont quite remember Talk to your recruiter for more info on how the G.I Bill works and shit :D haha, my college is a 6 year program, and during the 3rd year they do major cuts around 30% some due to shitty grades, lack of interest, nor lack of financial funding. So i told myself if i ever get academically cut i'm just going to join the army and repay my debt with that army money, and plus they'll also pay for my college. I told that to my mother she was totally against it. But i think if i ever do get cut, i will join army regardless of what they say :\
Do well in school, don't get cut. Don't join the army. =\ Your credits are transferrable , look into a backup program in case. You are probably a smart kid so you shouldn't be academically cut anyway. Just don't play too much Starcraft =P and for the love of god, try not to buy starcraft II.
Sob3k, I'm not going to bother arguing with you. You are just posting for the sake of input. That's why you're a detriment to this thread. If you are honestly trying to be helpful, delete your posts in this thread and move on. At this point, you're just trying to get a debate going (or you wouldn't just be block quoting) which is absolutely re fucking tarded in this thread.
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On July 13 2010 13:04 KissBlade wrote:
BTW Sobek, Asian spanking isn't the same as Westerns. Asian parents will NEVER "beat the shit" out of their kids because to them certain areas, especially the head, though if they get REALLY angry they do give a smack there, (cause intelligence is important as hell) and spine (obvious reasons) are completely off limits. Most hits are delivered to slaps, or spanks to the bum or pinches and occasional hair pulling. Does it make it justifiable? Not in certain senses of course. But I want to clear up your idea of "beating the shit out of" cause like I said, it's exactly those kind of posts that annoy me because you clearly have no idea what's going on and yet still desire to insert input. At least read, ask questions before you post.
On July 13 2010 08:43 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 08:41 Dance.jhu wrote:On July 13 2010 08:40 YPang wrote:On July 13 2010 08:38 Dance.jhu wrote: sounds like my dad growing up, but he has completely changed the way he acts. He still gets mad, but mostly it is my fault. He definetly is better the way he reacts and handles situations. Im sorry to hear this, and when I read your sister is only 10 that made me really angry. It is a shitty situation, but i dont think it is nearly as bad as it could be. Of course im going off the little infromation you give, and it sounds it has never gone beyond verbal abuse. Still, it could be worse. It's mostly verbal abuse now, sometimes my sister still gets beat physically, not me anymore, and rarely my mom anymore. by beat, do you mean spanked? i sure hope so Few month ago, my sister's face was red with bruises, and was made to lie to teachers and students saying that it was just a rash. And she is often kicked not sure about the strength of kick, but definitly enough to get her to be on her butt. I used to get belted, with bruises over my leg, my sides on the body, and my arms would be totally red. He doesn't dare to do it anymore though to me anyways.
This is what I was referring too....It seems to me a bit "beyond the call of duty"
Asian parents will NEVER "beat the shit" out of their kids because to them certain areas, especially the head, though if they get REALLY angry they do give a smack there, (cause intelligence is important as hell) and spine (obvious reasons) are completely off limits.
I also beg to differ on this point, I'm sure there are many thousands of Asian parents who severely injure/kill their children through beating. Just like the unfortunate thousands of European parents and the thousands of Indian and South American parents.
A five second google: http://www.asianewsnet.net/home/news.php?id=11480&sec=1 From Japan, China is unsurprisingly tight-lipped about child abuse statistics.
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Although this story is only from one side of PoV, it still sounds horrendous. )= Hopefully situations will improve soon YPang!
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On July 13 2010 13:08 koreasilver wrote: It's obviously easy to see that it is wrong. But it is hard to understand exactly why it is like so and what can be done about it. In this way KissBlade is correct. Obviously it is wrong by all means, but there are just some things that cannot be approached in the same way. There are some very deep seated issues in contemporary Asian culture that must be fixed in its own way and fashion. It must be approached from its own angle, not some kind of absolute "right". The tendency for Westerners to do this is a plague in of itself, as they are too blindsighted by their own ethnocentrism. It is so for all cultures to a degree, but you must understand that there are some things that you will never fully understand as you have never experienced it first hand to truly understand the nuances of the culture that are ingrained into the most fundamental aspects of the individuals.
This isn't about right or wrong in any way, it's about protecting a minor that's being physically and emotionally abused. You can argue about what the most appropriate course of action is, but to say that 'this is asian culture' and he and his sister have no choice but to tough it out isn't showing great understanding, it's fucking horrible. You're saying he should come to terms with his little sister being abused.
(I actually regret suggesting that he go to the authorities, that was the typical reaction of an outsider who doesn't know any of the details and therefore can't suggest a more subtle solution. The OP alone can judge what the most appropriate course of action is, but it's out of the question that he has to do something.)
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On July 13 2010 12:55 3clipse wrote: I find it a bit disturbing how far some are going to rationalize this sort of behavior. Yes, a significant cultural rift exists between western and eastern families and there are different attitudes and philosophies how to best raise children- but a distinct line is crossed when strict parenting becomes emotional and physical abuse. Of course his father is under severe stress. All parents are at one time or another. If this stress makes you harm your family in these ways, you have utterly failed as a parent. The responsibility they shoulder does not grant them the right to be a tyrant. I appreciate that it takes great strength of character to love your parents after the things you have gone through, KissBlade, but it seems as though your own hardships have made you very jaded to all this. It should not be viewed as normal or trivialized or it will make it easier for this sort of behavior to ruin childhoods for generations to come.
I had some problems with my dad as a kid. Nothing physical, fortunately, but he would get in moods where he was extremely bitter and would yell at us a lot about nothing in particular. Other days he would seem almost unnaturally happy and forgiving. I've lately begun to suspect he has bipolar disorder. Anyway, my parents divorced when I was around 11 and I think it's been a great thing for all of us. My mom has never had much money, but she's managed to get by. I live with her (when not at school) and I see my dad a couple times a week. It's a good setup because I can stay as long as we're enjoying each other's company and I can leave if he starts to get worked up.
I'm not saying that going to CPS and trying to break your family up is the right move for you. It probably isn't, especially if your mom is so accepting of the situation. I can only say that the split worked out well for me and the rest of my childhood was much better. You're nearly out of the picture and your mom seems to be accepting of her fate, but I'm going to mirror the rest of the posts in here and say that you should focus on improving things for your sister. If that means talking things over with your dad and being sympathetic to his situation, so be it. I don't think he deserves it, but your sister does.
Good luck. Good post.
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Id rather have my father hit me with a bamboo stick than having smack myself across the face.
Unfortunately this type of punishment has its downsides, my father has gave up on doing this since the beginning of high school. Just learn from my own mistakes.
edit: Child Services? What? Sending a child to their room is not a valid punishment.
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