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Pandain
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Now, I am going 100% off memory, and I'm a stoner, so I can't say this is 100% reliable, but I'm pretty fuckin' sure. I'd bet my weed money on it. Your post scares me for some reason. And the quote above will never, ever, ever help your case. From what I am reading, are you accusing Blizzard of a conspiracy based entirely off your memory? O.o. Just wondering. | ||
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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=1 | ||
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zerglingsfolife
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On July 07 2010 05:33 d(O.o)a wrote: The world of warcraft forums are lighting up over this to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=1 Holy crap... over 300 pages. I refreshed after reading one page and 4 more popped up. wowowowowow | ||
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shawster
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thank god we have team liquid, what's next blizzard shutting down community sites? i'm so close to fucking just never playing blizzard games anymore after all this shit, but at least they know how to make a game :s | ||
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RageOverdose
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On July 07 2010 04:49 Barrin wrote: Here's the real kicker for me though: I did not actually say I was going to post with a fake name. What I did say was that I was not going to post with my real name, which can simply mean that I am not going to post at all. I'm sorry but I'm pretty upset with Blizzard right now. Why, because your post is easily misinterpreted as stating you will be posting without using your real name? EDIT: That's the first thing I thought reading it. If you didn't clarify that, I see no reason why it should be implied Blizzard is conspiring when it seems more likely they just read it as you were going to use a fake name. | ||
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Antiochus
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On July 07 2010 05:33 d(O.o)a wrote: The world of warcraft forums are lighting up over this to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=1 Holy shit that thread is going a page a minute O.o Also it seems I will have to make a new battle net account with a fake name now. | ||
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tofucake
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On July 07 2010 06:38 Xeris wrote: What's wrong with using your real name? You scared? Yes. I want to be able to curse people out without them knowing who I am. | ||
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d(O.o)a
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On July 07 2010 06:38 Xeris wrote: What's wrong with using your real name? You scared? See the thing is, this isn't a tightly knit community like Teamliquid is, we're talking about the World of Warcraft community, over 10 million. Among these are many individuals who have bad tempers and when they're repeatedly killed in PvP they will lash out. Attack over Counterstrike game These kinds of things happen, not to menion females or people with original names, they are so easy to find and so frequently harassed. On top of this there are potential employers and current employers, I don't want my boss knowing I was posting on teamliquid forums during work. All posts are timestamped and they will be able to find them easily. | ||
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Helios.Star
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On July 07 2010 06:58 Barrin wrote: OMG LOL (taken from official bliz thread that this topic is about)" If this doesnt make blizz realize how bad of an idea this is I dont know what will. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On July 07 2010 08:43 Plexa wrote: The thing that perplexes me is how organisations like NetSafe and whatnot who have been promoting keeping your real life contact details safe when you are on the internet are reacting to this. Could you please explain for the uninformed how they are reacting to it. | ||
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eXigent.
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or when you sign any document or when you put gifts on layaway or when you play a sport, your name is on your jersey. Now the whole crowd knows who you are! How about in school when everyone introduces themselves on the first day, or puts their last name on their assignment sheets. Lastly, what about the phone book? Your first and last name are entered there, and yet there is no uproar. You need alot more than a first and a last name to be scammed online. Also, for the guy on the blizz forums that is using the stupid excuse that he is in witness protection is just retarded. Why would he give them his original name, and not the name he was given by the police? Seriously, thats the dumbest argument ever!. He uses the police name for EVERYTHING else he does, so whats the difference?. Overall, most people are complaining simply because they can. | ||
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If you piss off someone in game, or on the forums (even if it's just by beating them in the game) - they can then use those details against you. They can spam your email address. They can go on your facebook and fuck with you and your friends. They can spam call your home if you have posted the info online. I mean... think about it.... | ||
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tofucake
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On July 07 2010 09:08 eXigent. wrote: + Show Spoiler + I dont really see what the huge problem is with giving someone your name. What about IRL when you sitting in a medicenter, and the nurse calls you by your first and last name. Now all the other people know your name. or when you sign any document or when you put gifts on layaway or when you play a sport, your name is on your jersey. Now the whole crowd knows who you are! How about in school when everyone introduces themselves on the first day, or puts their last name on their assignment sheets. Lastly, what about the phone book? Your first and last name are entered there, and yet there is no uproar. You need alot more than a first and a last name to be scammed online. Also, for the guy on the blizz forums that is using the stupid excuse that he is in witness protection is just retarded. Why would he give them his original name, and not the name he was given by the police? Seriously, thats the dumbest argument ever!. He uses the police name for EVERYTHING else he does, so whats the difference?. Overall, most people are complaining simply because they can. Because you obviously didn't read the link posted 3? above yours... Recently, we introduced our new Real ID feature http://eu.battle.net/realid/, a new way to stay connected with your friends on the new Battle.net. Today, we wanted to give you a heads up about our plans for Real ID on our official forums, discuss the design philosophy behind the changes we’re making, and give you a first look at some of the new features we’re adding to the forums to help improve the quality of conversations and make the forums an even more enjoyable place for players to visit. The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it. These changes will go into effect on all StarCraft II forums with the launch of the new community site prior to the July 27 release of the game, with the World of Warcraft site and forums following suit near the launch of Cataclysm. Certain classic forums, including the classic Battle.net forums, will remain unchanged. So Blizzard are now making it so instead of showing your character on those forums, it'll instead show your real name with the option of attaching your char name too it (no option of not showing your real name). Now I think it's fairly safe to say that this is perhaps the dumbest idea that anyone has ever had ever. To alleviate people's concerns, Blizzard employee Bashiok decided to say his real name on the forums, his real name is Micah Whipple http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374892&sid=1&pageNo=1 Post #16 So say hi to Micah Whipple Address: 473 Avenue B Lakeport, CA 95453-6032 Phone Number: (707) 263-0190 Age: 28 Family: Kimberly K Whipple, age: 54 Jason Stephen Whipple, age 34 It looks like he's staying in the same house as his mother =[ http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname=Micah&name=Whipple&where=Lakeport, CA http://www.peoplelookup.com/search-summary-out.php?trackit=&ReportType=1&qf=Micah&qmi=&qn=Whipple&qs=CA&searchform=name&focusfirst=1 Oh btw, here is his facebook too: http://www.facebook.com/micah.whipple Music Honeypie, Closed Heart Surgery, The Sound Of Animals Fighting, White Stripes, Tool Band, Radiohead, Disorient Express, The Mars Volta, The Unhandled Exceptions, As Tall As Lions, The Dear Hunter Movies *Big Trouble in Little China*, Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World, Disney Pixar Television The Daily Show, Samurai Champloo, Tim and Eric Awesome Show: Great Job!, Freaks and Geeks, 30 Rock, Human Giant I think we can all see what a great idea this is going to be. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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On July 07 2010 09:08 eXigent. wrote: I dont really see what the huge problem is with giving someone your name. What about IRL when you sitting in a medicenter, and the nurse calls you by your first and last name. Now all the other people know your name. or when you sign any document or when you put gifts on layaway or when you play a sport, your name is on your jersey. Now the whole crowd knows who you are! How about in school when everyone introduces themselves on the first day, or puts their last name on their assignment sheets. Lastly, what about the phone book? Your first and last name are entered there, and yet there is no uproar. You need alot more than a first and a last name to be scammed online. Also, for the guy on the blizz forums that is using the stupid excuse that he is in witness protection is just retarded. Why would he give them his original name, and not the name he was given by the police? Seriously, thats the dumbest argument ever!. He uses the police name for EVERYTHING else he does, so whats the difference?. Overall, most people are complaining simply because they can. With a name you could go as far as opening up credit cards on the internet, accessing e-mail accounts, bank accounts online, game characters, forum identities. I've seen what happens when someone gets your real name. It takes a whole 20 minutes for the wrong person to get a hold of it and start learning about your life. On July 07 2010 09:14 travis wrote: Here is the problem with having to post your real name, it's quite simple. If you piss off someone in game, or on the forums (even if it's just by beating them in the game) - they can then use those details against you. They can spam your email address. They can go on your facebook and fuck with you and your friends. They can spam call your home if you have posted the info online. I mean... think about it.... And a lot of people aren't even aware that this info is readily available EVEN if they never posted it. See Micah Whipple on pipl My dead grandfather can be found on pipl.com, and he died in 1993, and NEVER even touched a computer in his lifetime. | ||
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On July 07 2010 09:03 travis wrote: Could you please explain for the uninformed how they are reacting to it. I don't know - I want to know, but they haven't released a statement as of yet. Found this in the massive outcry on battlenet: so appropriate | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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On July 07 2010 09:31 travis wrote: amber, awesome site, i did not know about that. ty It's a good idea to search yourself and go to the reference sites to ask them to remove your personal information. That's how the info is being pulled. Also this is how I (and a lot of employers) do our "google checks." Trust me I've found drinking tickets, arrests, youtube videos (the account information didn't even have the guys name visible), and more. It will find your myspace, facebook, linkedin as well. | ||
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Whenever, I have to give information about myself online I always use fake name and email. Well, at the very least my fake email addresses have been spammed to full capacity a few times already, which makes me think that I am doing something right... | ||
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eXigent.
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On July 07 2010 09:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: With a name you could go as far as opening up credit cards on the internet, accessing e-mail accounts, bank accounts online, game characters, forum identities. I've seen what happens when someone gets your real name. It takes a whole 20 minutes for the wrong person to get a hold of it and start learning about your life. And a lot of people aren't even aware that this info is readily available EVEN if they never posted it. See Micah Whipple on pipl My dead grandfather can be found on pipl.com, and he died in 1993, and NEVER even touched a computer in his lifetime. First off, I think your over exaggerating just a little bit. You need more than just someones name to open a creditcard, otherwise the phonebook would also be illegal. Type in someones name from the phone book into the internet, (you already got his address from the book as well), and there you go. The fact of the matter is, companies also know full well about internet fraud, and have taken steps to ensure that you enter various private pieces of information. If someone stole your wallet, then sure, they could get a creditcard in your name, but thats because they also have access to your social security number / birth certificate etc. Also, my personal banking facility detects when my account is being opened from another IP address, and immediately asks them to answer 3 secret questions. Will my first name give out those answers? You cannot access someones email simply because you know his name. You need to know his password, which last I checked doesnt come stapled to a name tag. Anyone with an ounce of common sense will make their password a combination of letters/digits that makes it virtually impossible for joe schmo to break into. To access my online bank account, you need my personal debit card number, and my password. How are you going to get that information from my first and last name? Should I refrain from allowing anyone in public to ever hear such information in fear that he will magically figure out my debit card number, and my unique password composed of letters/digits and scam me? Lastly, I am not stupid enough to post such things on the internet to begin with. I typed my name in pipl and all that came up was classmates.com which is harmless, and certainly would not lead to anything melicious. Nor do I use facebook or myspace, so really how can someone learn all about my life? It's pretty safe to say the blizzard forums are more filled with geeky teenage boys who just want to game, rather than secret shady scam artists just waiting to spend hours upon hours learning about my life. Even if they did, what exactly would happen? Someone is going to show up at my door because he knows where I live? Hell everyone on my block, everyone at my work, everyone at my gfs work , my friends, their friends etc KNOW where I live. How is that any different, or an actual problem? as for pissing someone off in the forums, so what? So he tries to spam my email, and I block him. done deal. If I even had a stupid facebook then he would only get soo far with that before he got blocked again, and lastly if he called me, who the fuck cares....Just block the phone number. If some retard actually goes out of his way to do all of that, the he has spent a much bigger time investment than me simply taking 1 minute to block him. I mean these "problems" you are all bringing up already exist without the internet. Whats easier? Spending hours and hours and hours trying to find someones information over the internet in the very very slim chance that you somehow magically open a creditcard in their name. OR, waiting until they throw out their trash and going through it and finding reciepts, or statements. OR, simply stealing documents from their mailbox. Whats to stop some random person in your city who decides to be an asshole and prank call you. How is that any different? These things happen already, and are easily dealt with imo. | ||
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LaLuSh
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On July 07 2010 09:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: With a name you could go as far as opening up credit cards on the internet, accessing e-mail accounts, bank accounts online, game characters, forum identities. I've seen what happens when someone gets your real name. It takes a whole 20 minutes for the wrong person to get a hold of it and start learning about your life. And a lot of people aren't even aware that this info is readily available EVEN if they never posted it. See Micah Whipple on pipl My dead grandfather can be found on pipl.com, and he died in 1993, and NEVER even touched a computer in his lifetime. Thanks. Just deleted a myspace account I forgot ever having created. Only remaining links to my name are from liquipedia lol Don't really care about that though.There's a downside to having a unique one of a kind name in today's day and age. I'm pretty certain no one in the world except for my relatives share my last name. So I've always been cautious with where I display my name on the internet, since I know googling me would be easy. | ||
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eXigent.
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What about Nony? His name was published on this website, with tens of thousands of visitors reading it, yet he is perfectly fine. Seriously, some people are just exaggerating a ton. | ||
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LaLuSh
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On July 07 2010 10:39 eXigent. wrote: I was just thinking about another scenario. How do you explain all of the current top sc/sc2 players outside of korea having their names publicly known, yet somehow they have never been scammed or spammed to the point of chaos. Nor have any of them mentioned such things even remotely happening. You act like no gamer is publicly known by his real name. I mean, practically EVERYONE in the SC community knows rets first and last name. He is a very good/popular high level gamer, yet has never been frauded, or had a credit card opened in his name. What about Nony? His name was published on this website, with tens of thousands of visitors reading it, yet he is perfectly fine. Seriously, some people are just exaggerating a ton. I don't think using our SC community as an example fits well. Now, the emerging SC2 community on the other hand, will probably have it's share of scandals and dramas with the expected influx of idiots and immature kids. My close friend is a professional CS 1.6 player, and he has had his hotmail hacked twice, together with his Steam-accounts being hacked twice as well. He has had a fake facebookpage created in his name. And during a period of time he was repeatedly DDoS'd and "blackmailed" into idling in a punk kid hackers IRC-channel, because that kid had somehow gotten ahold of his IP-address (probably because tournament arranging sites and ladders store IPs and STEAMIDs, some publicly). Especially in the CS and WoW scenes (quake too), DDoS attacks are common. They learned not to publicly display server ip:s the hard way. Even players are catious as hell. | ||
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On July 07 2010 10:59 LaLuSh wrote: I don't think using our SC community as an example fits well. Now, the emerging SC2 community on the other hand, will probably have it's share of scandals and dramas with the expected influx of idiots and immature kids. My close friend is a professional CS 1.6 player, and he has had his hotmail hacked twice, together with his Steam-accounts being hacked twice as well. He has had a fake facebookpage created in his name. And during a period of time he was repeatedly DDoS'd and "blackmailed" into idling in a punk kid hackers IRC-channel, because that kid had somehow gotten ahold of his IP-address (probably because tournament arranging sites and ladders store IPs and STEAMIDs, some publicly). Especially in the CS and WoW scenes (quake too), DDoS attacks are common. They learned not to publicly display server ip:s the hard way. Even players are catious as hell. Personally, I can see why it might be a hassle if you are really well known, and the hacker has at least some merit to gain by wasting his time , however, in the end is it not the CS players fault for not taking into consideration that he is known by thousands. I mean, wouldnt that prompt someone to heighten their online security, such as making email passwords with capitals/numbers etc. (I dunno why ppl dont do that anyway). The steam account is the same situation, in that he had to of had a semi-weak password in order for someone to hack it. DDoS could be a problem if someone has access to your IP address, but if someone did manage to find it, couldnt you simply call your ISP and let them know whats happening, and have the IP changed? In the starcraft world, its alot harder to find somones IP address than it is in counter-strike where IP is just much more common. EDIT: I read a few articles concerning DDoS, and it is fully preventable if the right steps are taken. You can even call your ISP and tell them whats going on, and they will block a range of IPs where the attacks are coming from. That combined with up to date security settings (firewall etc), and all of this becomes more of a pain in the ass for the attacker than it does for the person being attacked. Lastly, the odds of some blizzard kid in the forums actually attaining your IP address to begin with is pretty much zero. Also, just curious, which swedish CS player had this happen to him? Walle? heaton? potti? fisker? Im not really familiar with all of the top names since I havent competed in CS for like 5 years, but I do remember quite a few of them still | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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On July 07 2010 11:15 eXigent. wrote: Personally, I can see why it might be a hassle if you are really well known, and the hacker has at least some merit to gain by wasting his time , however, in the end is it not the CS players fault for not taking into consideration that he is known by thousands. I mean, wouldnt that prompt someone to heighten their online security, such as making email passwords with capitals/numbers etc. (I dunno why ppl dont do that anyway). The steam account is the same situation, in that he had to of had a semi-weak password in order for someone to hack it. DDoS could be a problem if someone has access to your IP address, but if someone did manage to find it, couldnt you simply call your ISP and let them know whats happening, and have the IP changed? In the starcraft world, its alot harder to find somones IP address than it is in counter-strike where IP is just much more common. EDIT: I read a few articles concerning DDoS, and it is fully preventable if the right steps are taken. You can even call your ISP and tell them whats going on, and they will block a range of IPs where the attacks are coming from. That combined with up to date security settings (firewall etc), and all of this becomes more of a pain in the ass for the attacker than it does for the person being attacked. Lastly, the odds of some blizzard kid in the forums actually attaining your IP address to begin with is pretty much zero. Also, just curious, which swedish CS player had this happen to him? Walle? heaton? potti? fisker? Im not really familiar with all of the top names since I havent competed in CS for like 5 years, but I do remember quite a few of them still I still believe you're vastly underestimating the power of a clever hacker. | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:26 Amber[LighT] wrote: I still believe you're vastly underestimating the power of a clever hacker. I also believe you are assuming that these really really good hackers are going to waste their time harassing a complete nobody on a blizzard forum, instead of actually putting all of their skills to a better use for themselves. If you take that much time to learn and become such a clever hacker, then odds are you got bigger goals than harassing some kid on a blizzard forum. I mean, if the guy can hack that well, then having your real name posted on blizzard forums wont make much difference either way, becuase odds are he will get what he is looking for regardless. So, whos a better target? Some 16 year old kid on blizzard forums without a penny to his name, or a wealthy local business owner, etc etc. Like I stated earlier, there are hundreds of ways to scam/fraud someone already, and this doesnt make it any worse. | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:32 eXigent. wrote: I also believe you are assuming that these really really good hackers are going to waste their time harassing a complete nobody on a blizzard forum, instead of actually putting all of their skills to a better use for themselves. If you take that much time to learn and become such a clever hacker, then odds are you got bigger goals than harassing some kid on a blizzard forum. I mean, if the guy can hack that well, then having your real name posted on blizzard forums wont make much difference either way, becuase odds are he will get what he is looking for regardless. So, whos a better target? Some 16 year old kid on blizzard forums without a penny to his name, or a wealthy local business owner, etc etc. Like I stated earlier, there are hundreds of ways to scam/fraud someone already, and this doesnt make it any worse. You give bored teenage hackers far too much credit. I've had friends who decided to hunt down and hack players who have done them wrong in a game. They are relentless. Hackers don't hack for the money. It's for the fame, the reputation, and a means to get back at someone. | ||
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