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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
Whenever, I have to give information about myself online I always use fake name and email. Well, at the very least my fake email addresses have been spammed to full capacity a few times already, which makes me think that I am doing something right... | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On July 07 2010 09:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: With a name you could go as far as opening up credit cards on the internet, accessing e-mail accounts, bank accounts online, game characters, forum identities. I've seen what happens when someone gets your real name. It takes a whole 20 minutes for the wrong person to get a hold of it and start learning about your life. And a lot of people aren't even aware that this info is readily available EVEN if they never posted it. See Micah Whipple on pipl My dead grandfather can be found on pipl.com, and he died in 1993, and NEVER even touched a computer in his lifetime. First off, I think your over exaggerating just a little bit. You need more than just someones name to open a creditcard, otherwise the phonebook would also be illegal. Type in someones name from the phone book into the internet, (you already got his address from the book as well), and there you go. The fact of the matter is, companies also know full well about internet fraud, and have taken steps to ensure that you enter various private pieces of information. If someone stole your wallet, then sure, they could get a creditcard in your name, but thats because they also have access to your social security number / birth certificate etc. Also, my personal banking facility detects when my account is being opened from another IP address, and immediately asks them to answer 3 secret questions. Will my first name give out those answers? You cannot access someones email simply because you know his name. You need to know his password, which last I checked doesnt come stapled to a name tag. Anyone with an ounce of common sense will make their password a combination of letters/digits that makes it virtually impossible for joe schmo to break into. To access my online bank account, you need my personal debit card number, and my password. How are you going to get that information from my first and last name? Should I refrain from allowing anyone in public to ever hear such information in fear that he will magically figure out my debit card number, and my unique password composed of letters/digits and scam me? Lastly, I am not stupid enough to post such things on the internet to begin with. I typed my name in pipl and all that came up was classmates.com which is harmless, and certainly would not lead to anything melicious. Nor do I use facebook or myspace, so really how can someone learn all about my life? It's pretty safe to say the blizzard forums are more filled with geeky teenage boys who just want to game, rather than secret shady scam artists just waiting to spend hours upon hours learning about my life. Even if they did, what exactly would happen? Someone is going to show up at my door because he knows where I live? Hell everyone on my block, everyone at my work, everyone at my gfs work , my friends, their friends etc KNOW where I live. How is that any different, or an actual problem? as for pissing someone off in the forums, so what? So he tries to spam my email, and I block him. done deal. If I even had a stupid facebook then he would only get soo far with that before he got blocked again, and lastly if he called me, who the fuck cares....Just block the phone number. If some retard actually goes out of his way to do all of that, the he has spent a much bigger time investment than me simply taking 1 minute to block him. I mean these "problems" you are all bringing up already exist without the internet. Whats easier? Spending hours and hours and hours trying to find someones information over the internet in the very very slim chance that you somehow magically open a creditcard in their name. OR, waiting until they throw out their trash and going through it and finding reciepts, or statements. OR, simply stealing documents from their mailbox. Whats to stop some random person in your city who decides to be an asshole and prank call you. How is that any different? These things happen already, and are easily dealt with imo. | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On July 07 2010 09:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: With a name you could go as far as opening up credit cards on the internet, accessing e-mail accounts, bank accounts online, game characters, forum identities. I've seen what happens when someone gets your real name. It takes a whole 20 minutes for the wrong person to get a hold of it and start learning about your life. And a lot of people aren't even aware that this info is readily available EVEN if they never posted it. See Micah Whipple on pipl My dead grandfather can be found on pipl.com, and he died in 1993, and NEVER even touched a computer in his lifetime. Thanks. Just deleted a myspace account I forgot ever having created. Only remaining links to my name are from liquipedia lol  Don't really care about that though.There's a downside to having a unique one of a kind name in today's day and age. I'm pretty certain no one in the world except for my relatives share my last name. So I've always been cautious with where I display my name on the internet, since I know googling me would be easy. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
What about Nony? His name was published on this website, with tens of thousands of visitors reading it, yet he is perfectly fine. Seriously, some people are just exaggerating a ton. | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On July 07 2010 10:39 eXigent. wrote: I was just thinking about another scenario. How do you explain all of the current top sc/sc2 players outside of korea having their names publicly known, yet somehow they have never been scammed or spammed to the point of chaos. Nor have any of them mentioned such things even remotely happening. You act like no gamer is publicly known by his real name. I mean, practically EVERYONE in the SC community knows rets first and last name. He is a very good/popular high level gamer, yet has never been frauded, or had a credit card opened in his name. What about Nony? His name was published on this website, with tens of thousands of visitors reading it, yet he is perfectly fine. Seriously, some people are just exaggerating a ton. I don't think using our SC community as an example fits well. Now, the emerging SC2 community on the other hand, will probably have it's share of scandals and dramas with the expected influx of idiots and immature kids. My close friend is a professional CS 1.6 player, and he has had his hotmail hacked twice, together with his Steam-accounts being hacked twice as well. He has had a fake facebookpage created in his name. And during a period of time he was repeatedly DDoS'd and "blackmailed" into idling in a punk kid hackers IRC-channel, because that kid had somehow gotten ahold of his IP-address (probably because tournament arranging sites and ladders store IPs and STEAMIDs, some publicly). Especially in the CS and WoW scenes (quake too), DDoS attacks are common. They learned not to publicly display server ip:s the hard way. Even players are catious as hell. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On July 07 2010 10:59 LaLuSh wrote: I don't think using our SC community as an example fits well. Now, the emerging SC2 community on the other hand, will probably have it's share of scandals and dramas with the expected influx of idiots and immature kids. My close friend is a professional CS 1.6 player, and he has had his hotmail hacked twice, together with his Steam-accounts being hacked twice as well. He has had a fake facebookpage created in his name. And during a period of time he was repeatedly DDoS'd and "blackmailed" into idling in a punk kid hackers IRC-channel, because that kid had somehow gotten ahold of his IP-address (probably because tournament arranging sites and ladders store IPs and STEAMIDs, some publicly). Especially in the CS and WoW scenes (quake too), DDoS attacks are common. They learned not to publicly display server ip:s the hard way. Even players are catious as hell. Personally, I can see why it might be a hassle if you are really well known, and the hacker has at least some merit to gain by wasting his time , however, in the end is it not the CS players fault for not taking into consideration that he is known by thousands. I mean, wouldnt that prompt someone to heighten their online security, such as making email passwords with capitals/numbers etc. (I dunno why ppl dont do that anyway). The steam account is the same situation, in that he had to of had a semi-weak password in order for someone to hack it. DDoS could be a problem if someone has access to your IP address, but if someone did manage to find it, couldnt you simply call your ISP and let them know whats happening, and have the IP changed? In the starcraft world, its alot harder to find somones IP address than it is in counter-strike where IP is just much more common. EDIT: I read a few articles concerning DDoS, and it is fully preventable if the right steps are taken. You can even call your ISP and tell them whats going on, and they will block a range of IPs where the attacks are coming from. That combined with up to date security settings (firewall etc), and all of this becomes more of a pain in the ass for the attacker than it does for the person being attacked. Lastly, the odds of some blizzard kid in the forums actually attaining your IP address to begin with is pretty much zero. Also, just curious, which swedish CS player had this happen to him? Walle? heaton? potti? fisker? Im not really familiar with all of the top names since I havent competed in CS for like 5 years, but I do remember quite a few of them still | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 07 2010 11:15 eXigent. wrote: Personally, I can see why it might be a hassle if you are really well known, and the hacker has at least some merit to gain by wasting his time , however, in the end is it not the CS players fault for not taking into consideration that he is known by thousands. I mean, wouldnt that prompt someone to heighten their online security, such as making email passwords with capitals/numbers etc. (I dunno why ppl dont do that anyway). The steam account is the same situation, in that he had to of had a semi-weak password in order for someone to hack it. DDoS could be a problem if someone has access to your IP address, but if someone did manage to find it, couldnt you simply call your ISP and let them know whats happening, and have the IP changed? In the starcraft world, its alot harder to find somones IP address than it is in counter-strike where IP is just much more common. EDIT: I read a few articles concerning DDoS, and it is fully preventable if the right steps are taken. You can even call your ISP and tell them whats going on, and they will block a range of IPs where the attacks are coming from. That combined with up to date security settings (firewall etc), and all of this becomes more of a pain in the ass for the attacker than it does for the person being attacked. Lastly, the odds of some blizzard kid in the forums actually attaining your IP address to begin with is pretty much zero. Also, just curious, which swedish CS player had this happen to him? Walle? heaton? potti? fisker? Im not really familiar with all of the top names since I havent competed in CS for like 5 years, but I do remember quite a few of them still I still believe you're vastly underestimating the power of a clever hacker. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On July 07 2010 11:26 Amber[LighT] wrote: I still believe you're vastly underestimating the power of a clever hacker. I also believe you are assuming that these really really good hackers are going to waste their time harassing a complete nobody on a blizzard forum, instead of actually putting all of their skills to a better use for themselves. If you take that much time to learn and become such a clever hacker, then odds are you got bigger goals than harassing some kid on a blizzard forum. I mean, if the guy can hack that well, then having your real name posted on blizzard forums wont make much difference either way, becuase odds are he will get what he is looking for regardless. So, whos a better target? Some 16 year old kid on blizzard forums without a penny to his name, or a wealthy local business owner, etc etc. Like I stated earlier, there are hundreds of ways to scam/fraud someone already, and this doesnt make it any worse. | ||
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soudo
603 Posts
On July 07 2010 11:32 eXigent. wrote: I also believe you are assuming that these really really good hackers are going to waste their time harassing a complete nobody on a blizzard forum, instead of actually putting all of their skills to a better use for themselves. If you take that much time to learn and become such a clever hacker, then odds are you got bigger goals than harassing some kid on a blizzard forum. I mean, if the guy can hack that well, then having your real name posted on blizzard forums wont make much difference either way, becuase odds are he will get what he is looking for regardless. So, whos a better target? Some 16 year old kid on blizzard forums without a penny to his name, or a wealthy local business owner, etc etc. Like I stated earlier, there are hundreds of ways to scam/fraud someone already, and this doesnt make it any worse. You give bored teenage hackers far too much credit. I've had friends who decided to hunt down and hack players who have done them wrong in a game. They are relentless. Hackers don't hack for the money. It's for the fame, the reputation, and a means to get back at someone. | ||
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Kashmir
New Zealand178 Posts
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