• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:28
CET 07:28
KST 15:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What are former legends up to these days? BW General Discussion How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Has Anyone Tried Kamagra Chewable for ED? US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 12 Days of Starcraft The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1732 users

4 Nexus 1 Barracks

Blogs > figq
Post a Reply
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 28 2010 21:19 GMT
#1
References: Nexus, Barracks

[image loading]


Hello!

This blog is supposed to help me summarize some of the research I necessarily face as a SC2 player without much RTS experience. It may contain obvious or incorrect statements, and I'd appreciate any remarks.

Here are some of the topics of my current interest, on which I may, or may not, spend the time to post:
+ Show Spoiler +
[*] Selection Order

[*] Fractional Health
(how much health does a BC have if the screen says it has 549HP? what about 1HP?)

[*] Brood Lord Attacks

[*] Smoothness vs Tempo
(when is it better to save resources and not spend them? when NOT to throw down the building you need "as soon as you have the resources"?)

[*] TvZ PF rush enhanced
(+2 armor upgrade makes PF's 5 armor 'invulnerable' to lings - they only cause the game minimum 0.5 damage)

[*] Static Defence Map Control

[*] Baneling Tricks
(vs DTs, vs sparse formations; what shapes of formations are safer from banelings?; building stats; drops)

[*] Quadratic Programming for fast BO optimization

[*] Creep Generators
(application: ZvZ abuse of enemy hatchery to support creep on its own cliff and crawler attack it without queens)

[*] Nondeterminism in SC2

[*] Walling as Zerg
(hatchery, crawlers, evo, early roaches, defensive zerg strats, nydus, drops)

[*] Mass Carriers

[*] Creep Management in Non-ZZ Teams
(how not to creep your teammate/s/ space, but still advance)

[*] Magic Box sizes in SC2

[*] Mining Distance Efficiency
(comparison between the mining efficiency for different distances and number of workers on the same patch)

[*] Useful SC2 Links


*
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
June 28 2010 21:34 GMT
#2
So you're gonna keep updating with your findings? Sounds pretty neat. I'll definitely be following.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 28 2010 22:00 GMT
#3
On June 29 2010 06:34 Bibbit wrote:
So you're gonna keep updating with your findings? Sounds pretty neat. I'll definitely be following.
Thanks, but don't expect well maintained blog. It's essentially on the edge with recycle bin or scratch notes. (I hope they allow such low level of quality for blogs, if not, i'll move it elsewhere)
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
June 28 2010 22:41 GMT
#4
What is that banner about?
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
June 28 2010 23:29 GMT
#5
I take offense to that banner, protoss hating is so 2005.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
June 28 2010 23:39 GMT
#6
lol nice banner aha
cw)minsean(ru
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
June 29 2010 00:54 GMT
#7
i'm pretty sure the banner is his personal work and I like it =)

TossFloss *
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada606 Posts
June 29 2010 06:18 GMT
#8
I like the implications.
Terran/Microsoft - clunky, immobile,
Protoss/Apple - overpriced, noobish
Zerg/Linux - pro, unstoppable

This ball spins three different ways.
TL Android App Open Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=265090
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
June 29 2010 06:33 GMT
#9
On June 29 2010 15:18 TossFloss wrote:
I like the implications.
Terran/Microsoft - clunky, immobile,
Protoss/Apple - overpriced, noobish
Zerg/Linux - pro, unstoppable

This ball spins three different ways.

LOL wow thats a different way of putting it!
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 29 2010 07:10 GMT
#10
Um, that wasn't planned to be exactly a banner, just some random pic I made. It could become a banner though, if someone wants it for that - feel free to use it. Thanks again for the nice comments.

The point wasn't to offend any race. I like to play with each and appreciate their differences. Note that these 3 companies/organizations are just representative of specific styles, but one could achieve almost anything with each approach.

Also, I'd hesitate to call Apple noobish, considering some of their highly expert-oriented products, especially in arts and design. Among similarities with toss are: less is more, do it once - do it right, clean artistic designs, difficult to repair, glass and lights, fragile appearance, flexible but apple-specific energy docks (pylons) etc.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
June 29 2010 08:12 GMT
#11
apple -- high quality?

That made my night.
Baller Fanclub || CheAse Fanclub || Scarlett Fanclub || LJD FIGHTING!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 29 2010 08:54 GMT
#12
On June 29 2010 17:12 dogabutila wrote:
apple -- high quality?
Has anyone said exactly that btw, so where did you pull it from? As with the other 2, depends a lot on what you know about their history, which spans more than 3 decades. Apple isn't just ipod/ipad/iprank.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Silu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland165 Posts
July 01 2010 12:06 GMT
#13
The more I think about that banner the more convinced I am that it's pure genius.

As stated by Starcraft lore:

Protoss - the "purity of form". Highly controlled environment, emphasis on a polished outlook. Strength comes from unity and secrecy, weakness from being cliquey. Very wary of outsiders.

Zerg - the "purity of essence". Emphasis on a free and open-minded environment, which enables evolution into any direction which is perceived as beneficial by any part of the swarm. Strength comes from diversity, weakness from divergence. Readily embrace outsiders as new genetic material to become stronger.

Now we just need the "Xel'Naga" to come finish their work and combine these two to finish the grand cycle and create a new "master race". Which would then devour the "Terrans" from the face of the galaxy.
coltrane
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Chile988 Posts
July 01 2010 12:22 GMT
#14
On June 29 2010 17:12 dogabutila wrote:
apple -- high quality?

That made my night.



iPod classic is the shit. Far best portable player.


And G5 is a must if you work making movies
Jävla skit
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
July 01 2010 12:30 GMT
#15
Microsoft - Terran: Strongest, Richest, Most loved.

Apple - Protoss: Fancy look, high quality though kinda overpriced.

Linux - Zerg: Cheap pos.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Ikiron
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States88 Posts
July 01 2010 12:32 GMT
#16
You can wall off fairly small ramps with Queen's seen in some videos.
Why be the best when you can die like the rest.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 03:46:28
July 02 2010 01:52 GMT
#17
On July 01 2010 21:06 Silu wrote:
As stated by Starcraft lore:

Protoss - the "purity of form". Highly controlled environment, emphasis on a polished outlook. Strength comes from unity and secrecy, weakness from being cliquey. Very wary of outsiders.

Zerg - the "purity of essence". Emphasis on a free and open-minded environment, which enables evolution into any direction which is perceived as beneficial by any part of the swarm. Strength comes from diversity, weakness from divergence. Readily embrace outsiders as new genetic material to become stronger.
Thank you for these quotes! James Phinney is credited as co-creator of the Starcraft universe, and he has worked first as a programmer, so he should have been aware of the different major IT styles. Background usually influences the creative process of authors. Just saying.
On July 01 2010 21:32 Ikiron wrote:
You can wall off fairly small ramps with Queen's seen in some videos.
Agreed, but Zerg should be able to block early off-creep natural chokes and large ramps, to match Terran and Protoss in this mastery - and they can! - if they consider that an early "wall combat hatchery" costs just a drone above 2 barracks / 2 gateways; blocks about the same space; and with injection produces units at about the same rate. This also allows easier deviation from the melee traditions of the race, and more towards ranged early army compositions. Could add variety to 2v2-4v4 too, away from the popular "zerg rush".

Seems to go against the race design, I know. I just like race customizations, and think they could be rewarding.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 03:17:31
July 02 2010 03:11 GMT
#18
On June 29 2010 15:18 TossFloss wrote:
I like the implications.
Terran/Microsoft - clunky, immobile,
Protoss/Apple - overpriced, mysteriously powerful
Zerg/Linux - mainstream, overwhelming

This ball spins three different ways.

Fixed it for ya

Also, I can't wait for the updates to the OP! GL and HF researching!
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Silu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland165 Posts
July 02 2010 13:59 GMT
#19
On July 02 2010 10:52 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 21:06 Silu wrote:
As stated by Starcraft lore:

Protoss - the "purity of form". Highly controlled environment, emphasis on a polished outlook. Strength comes from unity and secrecy, weakness from being cliquey. Very wary of outsiders.

Zerg - the "purity of essence". Emphasis on a free and open-minded environment, which enables evolution into any direction which is perceived as beneficial by any part of the swarm. Strength comes from diversity, weakness from divergence. Readily embrace outsiders as new genetic material to become stronger.


Thank you for these quotes! James Phinney is credited as co-creator of the Starcraft universe, and he has worked first as a programmer, so he should have been aware of the different major IT styles. Background usually influences the creative process of authors. Just saying.


They're not exact quotes per se, just me summarizing my best understanding of what is meant when the lore talks about purify of form and essence and the principles of the protoss and zerg Still, they match pretty darn well from both sides...
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 32m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft594
RuFF_SC2 293
NeuroSwarm 192
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 7702
Nal_rA 128
Shuttle 109
ZergMaN 59
Noble 30
soO 23
Bale 22
Rock 14
Sacsri 13
Icarus 10
Dota 2
monkeys_forever442
League of Legends
JimRising 647
C9.Mang0566
Other Games
Mew2King35
Liquid`Ken29
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1022
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 19
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 35
• Diggity7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1474
Other Games
• Scarra2983
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 32m
Wardi Open
5h 32m
OSC
1d 5h
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
OSC
5 days
OSC
5 days
OSC
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.