I've played ZvT a bit before. I can macro fine but managing scourge and defilers/consuming/reburrowing lurkers quickly is SO hard for me T.T

I do feel it's more multitask-intensive for zerg mid-late game with defiler play.

gumbum8

United States721 Posts

April 24 2010 05:33 GMT

#25

I think ZvT vs. SK terran is stupid easy as Zerg at C-/C.
Not even fair.

Frozz

Canada61 Posts

April 24 2010 05:36 GMT

#26

M & M balls are quite scary
Like Fakesteve's but not quite so hairy
Just practice some more
And soon you'll implore
"2 EZ." So Terrans be wary!

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

April 24 2010 06:20 GMT

#27

On April 24 2010 14:07 Bibbit wrote:
There's actually two winning conditions in sc: Destroy all their buildings or get a swarm in their natural.

I can testify to the second condition not being true at least 5 times. T_T Man I suck.

Spazer

Canada8036 Posts

April 24 2010 06:24 GMT

#28

On April 24 2010 14:36 Frozz wrote:
M & M balls are quite scary
Like Fakesteve's but not quite so hairy
Just practice some more
And soon you'll implore
"2 EZ." So Terrans be wary!

What.
The above was a Limerick.
Joined TL.net Saturday, 24th of April 2010

brb, Googling.

Severedevil

United States4839 Posts

April 24 2010 06:33 GMT

#29

I always found it easier than PvT, so w/e.

KrAzYfoOL

Australia3037 Posts

April 24 2010 06:47 GMT

#30

This certainly doesn't apply to me. I was a Terran user for years and had a C- level TvZ, after having switched to Zerg, after about 6months I had a B- level ZvT while still playing TvZ (i hate all mirror matchups) which was C+ at very best.

A year or so later my TvZ still remains sucky while my ZvT can at times take down A- Korean Terrans.

josemb40

Peru611 Posts

April 24 2010 06:50 GMT

#31

agree with most of the stuff written, nice read

Weryeery

288 Posts

April 24 2010 06:53 GMT

#32

And what about bunker rush?
This cheese is just so easy to pull, totally deadly , incredibly hard to defend and even if the Z player defend it perfectly with absolutely no loss the terran is still ahead. thats a total joke
TvZ is in T favor, i cant understand why so many T cant admit it.

ramen-

90 Posts

April 24 2010 07:20 GMT

#33

On April 24 2010 15:53 Weryeery wrote:
And what about bunker rush?
This cheese is just so easy to pull, totally deadly , incredibly hard to defend and even if the Z player defend it perfectly with absolutely no loss the terran is still ahead. thats a total joke
TvZ is in T favor, i cant understand why so many T cant admit it.

That can't possibly be true, or terrans would bunker rush every game and Boxer would still be king of the esports world

The terran has to cut a bunch of economy when they bunker rush, so if the zerg defends "perfectly," he will probably have 2 bases with the terran only on one, probably not even having started their cc yet. I can't see how terran could possibly be ahead.

Saturnize

United States2473 Posts

April 24 2010 07:43 GMT

#34

Mutas piss me off.

Mortician

Bulgaria2332 Posts

April 24 2010 09:16 GMT

#35

I thought AzureEye was banned :/

On April 24 2010 16:20 ramen- wrote:

Show nested quote +

If you go forward 8 rax into bunker rush and fail, your even

samachking

Bahrain4949 Posts

April 24 2010 09:40 GMT

#36

If you play muta builds ZvT is pretty easy on C levels, you just need proper muta micro and good macro while you are doing it. And if you use Crazy Zerg like I do, it makes it extremely easy since very few terrans can keep up with a evenly upgraded zerg army that pumps ultraling continuously. P.S Ultraling is fucking imbalanced and late game ZvT at D/C is not fair period. I can beat C-/C terrans of 2base ultraling if I lose my 3rd/4th

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. What rank are you at in icc?

quirinus

Croatia2489 Posts

April 24 2010 14:11 GMT

#37

Lol so funny. I play TvZ and ZvT, and trust me, they're about the same in terms of difficulty.
Yes, with good macro you can roll almost all Zergs until about Cish (but a good macro terran is better than C anyway, so it doesn't prove anything), then the rest comes in.

But it seems to me that you don't have a very good grasp of ZvT, rather than it being imbalanced. I once upon a time also had troubles with Z, but trough time I learned some more finer points of strategy. I used to know approx. how to play, get mutas, then lurkling, then defilers then ultras, expand etc., but as I found out later, I didn't have much clue even though I thought I did.

At first I was lost after the muta stage, I kept trying to kill the mm army by constant attacking, but any good terran will have just tons of units and it'll be very hard. Then I realized I don't really need to attack, just keep him away, on his toes (and wait for a good opportunity to attack) and delay him.
So slowly got up to a solid understanding of mid game, but once again, I was stuck once I got to late game, I found out that getting and defending the 2nd exp in mid game is crucial for the late game. So I focused on that (delay him with mutas until you get 2 lurkers defending the exp), and it got me some easy wins. But then I kept running into good macro terrans, so they killed me even with my 3 bases.
So I found out it suits my style better to get the hive a bit earlier (and using the mid game army to delay/keep away the terran until my swarm comes in) and that also allowed me to get my 4th eariler (and with that, ultras or more lurk/def). Not to mention all the positioning tactics, slowing down the terran, backstabs, harrasing, muta micro, lurk/ling micro (+defiler), scourge, scouting (very important to know how to do it, what to look for and how to react), and all the other skills. And this is just the rough version of it, there's a lot of fine tactics that I learned on the way.

So what was once my worst mu (ZvT) is now my best, and what was my best mu (ZvP) is now my worst.

Anyway, try playing some TvZ, it's fun, improves your apm, and you'll learn a lot for you ZvT. Plus, it's hard to too, you have to have a vast knowledge and timing.