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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
April 21 2010 16:22 GMT
#21
On April 21 2010 22:32 konadora wrote:
Same here man, hardly any people in SG appreciates Starcraft anymore.

Show nested quote +
"Starcraft? You mean SC2?"

"No, the first one. You know, Brood War."

"That crappy looking 10 year old game?"


Kona I'm in Japan right now but by July I'll be back in SG for NS. SG SC:BW LAN pls (haha thats not even English anymore).
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 21 2010 21:24 GMT
#22
I'm beginning to wonder if TL is still primarily the mainstay for competitive BW/SC2 or has it just become the de facto SC2 site now for casual noobs and veterans alike, and which option I prefer...
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
April 21 2010 22:11 GMT
#23
Yup, I quite understand, I'm feeling pretty much the same way also about it
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
spitball
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Australia81 Posts
April 21 2010 22:13 GMT
#24
On April 22 2010 06:24 Jibba wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder if TL is still primarily the mainstay for competitive BW/SC2 or has it just become the de facto SC2 site now for casual noobs and veterans alike, and which option I prefer...

Actually TL is now the place where people only post blogs because they're afraid of getting banned.
GunSlinger
Profile Joined June 2006
614 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 23:04:12
April 21 2010 22:59 GMT
#25
On April 21 2010 22:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Well you can still cheer for all the former SC:BW players in SC2 =]


Uhh... no. Good try though.

The reason I play SC still and haven't moved to SC2 is pretty simple: I like Starcraft. I don't like Starcraft 2. I gave it an honest-to-goodness try and I feel like Blizzard hasn't put any love into it. Of course the other reason is that the game is STILL IN BETA. I am perfectly content to wait for the finished product because the version they have out now is not very good. And by 'not very good' I mean not fun to play, which is what games are supposed to be about. Right?

Games are not supposed to be about who is going to go pro on release, or who is at the top of the ladder. They are not about chatting with my friends on WoW, or having a cool looking avatar that you earned by doing gimmicky missions. They are supposed to about fun.

So what is so fun about Starcraft? Haha.. Everything. I can honestly say that I like EVERYTHING about this game. I like the noises my drones make when I select them. I like that vultures and marines swear at me after a few clicks. I like watching zealots run away as I pelt them with mutalisk fire. I have yet to get bored of the music... but then... what is there to get bored of, really? This is without a doubt the deepest game I have ever played. It is such a genius construct that after 10 years of thousands of people playing it we are still marveled by new strategies.

At the core of it all that's what really counts; is Starcraft is not only fun but it challenges you. We all had the early days of struggling to beat the computer, or getting beat down online by Korean noobs. But if we liked the game we didn't let that stop us because it was still fun just to play.

Oh... and the campaign... I know for a fact that some of you guys just started playing because SC2 was announced. Thus, you have probably never touched the campaign or haven't for many years. I suggest you go beat it again because it is simply amazing. In fact, I would say unrivaled. The story, the characters, even how units are introduced, it's all just so perfect. I have never enjoyed a game's single player and multiplayer so much. And I think that it's because the people who made Starcraft, loved making it as much as I love playing it.

So where is the love in SC2? I don't see any. It feels hollow. Like it was made by a fan of the original. And if you really think about it, it was. We made SC2. Blizzard is so afraid of pissing us off that are catering to our wishes and looking to us to test their game instead of testing it out themselves. Anybody else see something wrong with that? We are not testers, we are gamers. Many people think that one covers the other but it really doesn't. We have no fucking clue how to balance a game. And the world is going to pay for it.

Blizzard has trusted some of us to give them our honest opinions on their latest creation. I realize my voice means nothing, but here are my thoughts: SC2 so far, is the worst game Blizzard has made since The Death and Return of Superman. It is not fun. People keep looking to unit changes to maintain balance, but it goes far beyond that. I could go on for hours about why the game won't work but I don't think anybody really cares. I have written enough as it is.

Blizzard, I implore you. Take it back to the drawing boards. Or at least take it out of beta and take a good look at what you have created. I always thought you guys were about the experience and not the money. But I am starting to see a side of you I don't like. I will not pay a damn cent for SC2 if you release it as it is (barring 'balance changes' made in beta of course). Just make a game that YOU as a company feel is the best you can offer and I know it will be awesome. If you have to take 2 more years to fix it than I don't care. I have waited so long already just to be disappointed...

EDIT: Sorry I forgot my point. Do I think I love SC more than most? Damn straight I do. Does that make me an elitist for having an opinion? Maybe. But I don't care what people label me because I care about the future of this game. I want SC2 to be a true sequel, not a follow-up. I want to fall in love again.
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
April 21 2010 23:52 GMT
#26
None of my friends have a beta key. They want it so bad. Out of the 15 people who want beta keys, none of them still play brood war. They never really appreciated it because it was "an old game with shitty ass graphics that only koreans play". This kind of offended me.

Some of my friends started playing brood war again with me but after a week or so they all kind of gave up and went back to their "awesome" FPS games. They don't even play good FPS games like Quake or CS. They play crappy FPS games that they think are the absolute best "cuz best graphics ever omg".

So to be totally honest, I think I'm going to be the only one of my friends that actually will still actually be playing Brood War and SC2 many years from now.
♞ Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse. ♞
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
April 22 2010 00:15 GMT
#27
Yea but just think of the rapes we will be handing out to everyone LOL.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
April 22 2010 00:17 GMT
#28
On April 22 2010 07:59 GunSlinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2010 22:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Well you can still cheer for all the former SC:BW players in SC2 =]


+ Show Spoiler +
Uhh... no. Good try though.

The reason I play SC still and haven't moved to SC2 is pretty simple: I like Starcraft. I don't like Starcraft 2. I gave it an honest-to-goodness try and I feel like Blizzard hasn't put any love into it. Of course the other reason is that the game is STILL IN BETA. I am perfectly content to wait for the finished product because the version they have out now is not very good. And by 'not very good' I mean not fun to play, which is what games are supposed to be about. Right?

Games are not supposed to be about who is going to go pro on release, or who is at the top of the ladder. They are not about chatting with my friends on WoW, or having a cool looking avatar that you earned by doing gimmicky missions. They are supposed to about fun.

So what is so fun about Starcraft? Haha.. Everything. I can honestly say that I like EVERYTHING about this game. I like the noises my drones make when I select them. I like that vultures and marines swear at me after a few clicks. I like watching zealots run away as I pelt them with mutalisk fire. I have yet to get bored of the music... but then... what is there to get bored of, really? This is without a doubt the deepest game I have ever played. It is such a genius construct that after 10 years of thousands of people playing it we are still marveled by new strategies.

At the core of it all that's what really counts; is Starcraft is not only fun but it challenges you. We all had the early days of struggling to beat the computer, or getting beat down online by Korean noobs. But if we liked the game we didn't let that stop us because it was still fun just to play.

Oh... and the campaign... I know for a fact that some of you guys just started playing because SC2 was announced. Thus, you have probably never touched the campaign or haven't for many years. I suggest you go beat it again because it is simply amazing. In fact, I would say unrivaled. The story, the characters, even how units are introduced, it's all just so perfect. I have never enjoyed a game's single player and multiplayer so much. And I think that it's because the people who made Starcraft, loved making it as much as I love playing it.

So where is the love in SC2? I don't see any. It feels hollow. Like it was made by a fan of the original. And if you really think about it, it was. We made SC2. Blizzard is so afraid of pissing us off that are catering to our wishes and looking to us to test their game instead of testing it out themselves. Anybody else see something wrong with that? We are not testers, we are gamers. Many people think that one covers the other but it really doesn't. We have no fucking clue how to balance a game. And the world is going to pay for it.

Blizzard has trusted some of us to give them our honest opinions on their latest creation. I realize my voice means nothing, but here are my thoughts: SC2 so far, is the worst game Blizzard has made since The Death and Return of Superman. It is not fun. People keep looking to unit changes to maintain balance, but it goes far beyond that. I could go on for hours about why the game won't work but I don't think anybody really cares. I have written enough as it is.

Blizzard, I implore you. Take it back to the drawing boards. Or at least take it out of beta and take a good look at what you have created. I always thought you guys were about the experience and not the money. But I am starting to see a side of you I don't like. I will not pay a damn cent for SC2 if you release it as it is (barring 'balance changes' made in beta of course). Just make a game that YOU as a company feel is the best you can offer and I know it will be awesome. If you have to take 2 more years to fix it than I don't care. I have waited so long already just to be disappointed...

EDIT: Sorry I forgot my point. Do I think I love SC more than most? Damn straight I do. Does that make me an elitist for having an opinion? Maybe. But I don't care what people label me because I care about the future of this game. I want SC2 to be a true sequel, not a follow-up. I want to fall in love again.


I enjoy BW WAY more than SC2 also but I still play both. You are really putting out a short sighted argument against SC2. How many times have you played it? If you have played it less than 10 times you arent used to it yet and cannot judge very strongly. Plus it's horribly imbalanced right now, but has potential to be a sick game.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
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