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Upgrade either CPU or GPU?

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Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 19:12:42
April 19 2010 19:04 GMT
#1
Hey guys I know there are about a million of these threads and I've done a search, but haven't found anything specific to my situation. I'm interested in streaming with livestream in HD quality without lag and a pretty solid 40 FPS+. What I am wondering is if I should upgrade my CPU first or my GPU? I have a e8500 which is a 3.16 GHz dual core, and a nvidia GTS 8800.

I'm pretty sure I should upgrade my GPU first but I don't know too much about streaming so I might want to go for the CPU instead. If it is the GPU, any reccomendations for a new one will be gladly accepted but I think I have an idea from the threads I've searched, which one to get.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339

P.S. I run dual screen and if i have a game running and a video running my screen goes black, I'm thinking its because of my GPU getting overheated. A faster GPU like the one I linked would take care of that problem, right?

Thanks again for reading!

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CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
April 19 2010 19:08 GMT
#2
I think streaming benefits from 3 or 4 cores, but the fact is that your processor is better than your GPU and i don't see how it would be a good idea to bottleneck your computer even more.

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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 19 2010 19:09 GMT
#3
I suggest that you try recording your CPU / GPU usage while streaming for a while. Raw data should easily tell you which is the most performance critical.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 19:21:07
April 19 2010 19:18 GMT
#4
I would have thought those specs to be fine to stream in HD, quite surprised that it isn't. But then again i know nothing about that! if i had to take a guess i'd go with the gpu upgrade . but like spinesheath said cpu/gpu usage during streaming should tell you what bottlenecks.
edit: also, your cpu should be pretty easy to overclock, if you didn't do that already. gpu can be overclocked too but from my experience stability suffers much more easily, though it depends greatly on the card (even the same models from the same manufacturer can differ significantly in what speeds they can run stable on)
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 19:25:48
April 19 2010 19:25 GMT
#5
Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.
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Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
April 19 2010 19:26 GMT
#6
On April 20 2010 04:09 spinesheath wrote:
I suggest that you try recording your CPU / GPU usage while streaming for a while. Raw data should easily tell you which is the most performance critical.



I'd like to do that, are there any specific programs that are good at this? I know my task manager can monitor cpu usage, but what about gpu usage?
Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
April 19 2010 19:26 GMT
#7
On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:
Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.


AFAIK SSD is still really expensive, know any cheap ones that can do the job well?
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10343 Posts
April 19 2010 19:27 GMT
#8
On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:
Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.

This won't benefit streaming in any way at all.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
April 19 2010 19:28 GMT
#9
don't get products that are 2 generations old
get a 5770
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 19 2010 19:30 GMT
#10
On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:
Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.

I often recommend upgrading hard disks for general system performance, but it's the wrong advice for this situation. Neither 3D framerate nor livestreaming depends much on the hard disk.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 19:39:56
April 19 2010 19:34 GMT
#11
On April 20 2010 04:28 KOFgokuon wrote:
don't get products that are 2 generations old
get a 5770

Putting the gpu under less load wont make the stream better prob make frame rates in game a bit better or prob could crank up the quality a little but ->
On April 20 2010 04:27 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:
Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.

This won't benefit streaming in any way at all.

Yup the only parts that streaming will benefit from is faster cpu mostly for better faster compression as bandwidth is limited to 500kbp/s on live stream you have a quick cpu already e8500 can easily oc past 3.6 prob could do 4.0 on a good mobo.

When recording with fraps a fast hdd is important but when streaming it's not copying uncompressed frames to the hdd

CPU and RAM is what matters in the stream

you could also improve quality by lower the frame rate increasing the quality per frame at the cost of some fluidity but if it looks like shit fluid doesn't matter.

I meant the way i would set it up is put the resolution on the lowest possible while maintaining my 16 aspect raito oc my cpu and ram as far as i could and set procaster to stream at porb 15fps less 12 if it's not looking good enough while bumping up the complexity of the compression i'm assuming those options are in procaster ionno never used it.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 19 2010 19:39 GMT
#12
There is a nice and small program called GPU-Z which should be able to record GPU usuage (haven't actually tried recording though).
I think there also is a CPU-Z, but I haven't tried it yet.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
April 19 2010 19:41 GMT
#13
On April 20 2010 04:34 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 04:28 KOFgokuon wrote:
don't get products that are 2 generations old
get a 5770

Putting the gpu under less load wont make the stream better prob make frame rates in game a bit better or prob could crank up the quality a little but ->
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 04:27 R1CH wrote:
On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:
Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.

This won't benefit streaming in any way at all.

Yup the only parts that streaming will benefit from is faster cpu mostly for better faster compression as bandwidth is limited to 500kbp/s on live stream you have a quick cpu already e8500 can easily oc past 3.6 prob could do 4.0 on a good mobo.

When recording with fraps a fast hdd is important but when streaming it's not copying uncompressed frames to the hdd

CPU and RAM is what matters in the stream

you could also improve quality by lower the frame rate increasing the quality per frame at the cost of some fluidity but if it looks like shit fluid doesn't matter.

I meant the way i would set it up is put the resolution on the lowest possible while maintaining my 16 aspect raito oc my cpu and ram as far as i could and set procaster to stream at porb 15fps less 12 if it's not looking good enough



Well yeah, when I turn my stream on I get pretty bad FPS compared to when it's off. I guess the problem may lie in my 32 bit operating system(XP)? While I do have 4g of ram, it can only use 3.25. What I was hoping was for the better GPU to improve my in-game FPS while I am streaming.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
April 19 2010 19:42 GMT
#14
i'm more interested in where you'll be able to livestream in HD res :O
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 19:54:38
April 19 2010 19:51 GMT
#15
On April 20 2010 04:27 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:
Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.

This won't benefit streaming in any way at all.

This will benefit streaming hugely. The bottleneck in almost any system for streaming is disk write-speed. SSD is HUGE since you get around a 10-fold increase in bandwidth over magnetic. And most of the time, what is copied to disk for streaming programs is uncompressed!
Oh woops. streaming as in not recording.... >.<
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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
April 19 2010 19:58 GMT
#16
it's not like an SSD would help for recording anyway. HDDs are more than sufficient in terms of write bandwidth. bottleneck for recording / streaming should be CPU / RAM.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 19:59:27
April 19 2010 19:59 GMT
#17
On April 20 2010 04:41 BDF92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 04:34 semantics wrote:
On April 20 2010 04:28 KOFgokuon wrote:
don't get products that are 2 generations old
get a 5770

Putting the gpu under less load wont make the stream better prob make frame rates in game a bit better or prob could crank up the quality a little but ->
On April 20 2010 04:27 R1CH wrote:
On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:
Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.

This won't benefit streaming in any way at all.

Yup the only parts that streaming will benefit from is faster cpu mostly for better faster compression as bandwidth is limited to 500kbp/s on live stream you have a quick cpu already e8500 can easily oc past 3.6 prob could do 4.0 on a good mobo.

When recording with fraps a fast hdd is important but when streaming it's not copying uncompressed frames to the hdd

CPU and RAM is what matters in the stream

you could also improve quality by lower the frame rate increasing the quality per frame at the cost of some fluidity but if it looks like shit fluid doesn't matter.

I meant the way i would set it up is put the resolution on the lowest possible while maintaining my 16 aspect raito oc my cpu and ram as far as i could and set procaster to stream at porb 15fps less 12 if it's not looking good enough



Well yeah, when I turn my stream on I get pretty bad FPS compared to when it's off. I guess the problem may lie in my 32 bit operating system(XP)? While I do have 4g of ram, it can only use 3.25. What I was hoping was for the better GPU to improve my in-game FPS while I am streaming.

Yeah becuase procaster wants the cpu and the game wants the cpu ususally how this is best handled in games is by having a quad core like i7 and set 2 cores to the game which gets the most benefit from only about 2 cores then set 2 cores for the stream so they don't interrupt each other viaing for cpu real estate try turning down cpu intensive settings in sc2 finding balance is what's it about
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 19 2010 20:24 GMT
#18
CPU. GPU doesn't matter at all.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 19 2010 20:25 GMT
#19
On April 20 2010 04:42 mahnini wrote:
i'm more interested in where you'll be able to livestream in HD res :O

Ustream. It's much much more reliable too.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
April 19 2010 21:34 GMT
#20
On April 20 2010 05:25 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 04:42 mahnini wrote:
i'm more interested in where you'll be able to livestream in HD res :O

Ustream. It's much much more reliable too.

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