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Hey guys I know there are about a million of these threads and I've done a search, but haven't found anything specific to my situation. I'm interested in streaming with livestream in HD quality without lag and a pretty solid 40 FPS+. What I am wondering is if I should upgrade my CPU first or my GPU? I have a e8500 which is a 3.16 GHz dual core, and a nvidia GTS 8800.
I'm pretty sure I should upgrade my GPU first but I don't know too much about streaming so I might want to go for the CPU instead. If it is the GPU, any reccomendations for a new one will be gladly accepted but I think I have an idea from the threads I've searched, which one to get.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339
P.S. I run dual screen and if i have a game running and a video running my screen goes black, I'm thinking its because of my GPU getting overheated. A faster GPU like the one I linked would take care of that problem, right?
Thanks again for reading! 
 
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I think streaming benefits from 3 or 4 cores, but the fact is that your processor is better than your GPU and i don't see how it would be a good idea to bottleneck your computer even more.
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I suggest that you try recording your CPU / GPU usage while streaming for a while. Raw data should easily tell you which is the most performance critical.
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Sweden4353 Posts
I would have thought those specs to be fine to stream in HD, quite surprised that it isn't. But then again i know nothing about that! if i had to take a guess i'd go with the gpu upgrade  . but like spinesheath said cpu/gpu usage during streaming should tell you what bottlenecks.
edit: also, your cpu should be pretty easy to overclock, if you didn't do that already. gpu can be overclocked too but from my experience stability suffers much more easily, though it depends greatly on the card (even the same models from the same manufacturer can differ significantly in what speeds they can run stable on)
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Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.
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On April 20 2010 04:09 spinesheath wrote:
I suggest that you try recording your CPU / GPU usage while streaming for a while. Raw data should easily tell you which is the most performance critical.
I'd like to do that, are there any specific programs that are good at this? I know my task manager can monitor cpu usage, but what about gpu usage?
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On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.
AFAIK SSD is still really expensive, know any cheap ones that can do the job well?
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On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.
This won't benefit streaming in any way at all.
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don't get products that are 2 generations old
get a 5770
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On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked.
I often recommend upgrading hard disks for general system performance, but it's the wrong advice for this situation. Neither 3D framerate nor livestreaming depends much on the hard disk.
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On April 20 2010 04:28 KOFgokuon wrote:
don't get products that are 2 generations old
get a 5770
Putting the gpu under less load wont make the stream better prob make frame rates in game a bit better or prob could crank up the quality a little but ->
On April 20 2010 04:27 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked. This won't benefit streaming in any way at all.
Yup the only parts that streaming will benefit from is faster cpu mostly for better faster compression as bandwidth is limited to 500kbp/s on live stream you have a quick cpu already e8500 can easily oc past 3.6 prob could do 4.0 on a good mobo.
When recording with fraps a fast hdd is important but when streaming it's not copying uncompressed frames to the hdd
CPU and RAM is what matters in the stream
you could also improve quality by lower the frame rate increasing the quality per frame at the cost of some fluidity but if it looks like shit fluid doesn't matter.
I meant the way i would set it up is put the resolution on the lowest possible while maintaining my 16 aspect raito oc my cpu and ram as far as i could and set procaster to stream at porb 15fps less 12 if it's not looking good enough while bumping up the complexity of the compression i'm assuming those options are in procaster ionno never used it.
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There is a nice and small program called GPU-Z which should be able to record GPU usuage (haven't actually tried recording though).
I think there also is a CPU-Z, but I haven't tried it yet.
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On April 20 2010 04:34 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:28 KOFgokuon wrote:
don't get products that are 2 generations old
get a 5770 Putting the gpu under less load wont make the stream better prob make frame rates in game a bit better or prob could crank up the quality a little but -> Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:27 R1CH wrote:On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked. This won't benefit streaming in any way at all. Yup the only parts that streaming will benefit from is faster cpu mostly for better faster compression as bandwidth is limited to 500kbp/s on live stream you have a quick cpu already e8500 can easily oc past 3.6 prob could do 4.0 on a good mobo. When recording with fraps a fast hdd is important but when streaming it's not copying uncompressed frames to the hdd CPU and RAM is what matters in the stream you could also improve quality by lower the frame rate increasing the quality per frame at the cost of some fluidity but if it looks like shit fluid doesn't matter. I meant the way i would set it up is put the resolution on the lowest possible while maintaining my 16 aspect raito oc my cpu and ram as far as i could and set procaster to stream at porb 15fps less 12 if it's not looking good enough
Well yeah, when I turn my stream on I get pretty bad FPS compared to when it's off. I guess the problem may lie in my 32 bit operating system(XP)? While I do have 4g of ram, it can only use 3.25. What I was hoping was for the better GPU to improve my in-game FPS while I am streaming.
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i'm more interested in where you'll be able to livestream in HD res :O
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On April 20 2010 04:27 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked. This won't benefit streaming in any way at all.
This will benefit streaming hugely. The bottleneck in almost any system for streaming is disk write-speed. SSD is HUGE since you get around a 10-fold increase in bandwidth over magnetic. And most of the time, what is copied to disk for streaming programs is uncompressed!
Oh woops. streaming as in not recording.... >.<
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it's not like an SSD would help for recording anyway. HDDs are more than sufficient in terms of write bandwidth. bottleneck for recording / streaming should be CPU / RAM.
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On April 20 2010 04:41 BDF92 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:34 semantics wrote:On April 20 2010 04:28 KOFgokuon wrote:
don't get products that are 2 generations old
get a 5770 Putting the gpu under less load wont make the stream better prob make frame rates in game a bit better or prob could crank up the quality a little but -> On April 20 2010 04:27 R1CH wrote:On April 20 2010 04:25 love1another wrote:Upgrade your hard disk to SSD. Almost everything you do that has a "load time" will be I/O bottlenecked. This won't benefit streaming in any way at all. Yup the only parts that streaming will benefit from is faster cpu mostly for better faster compression as bandwidth is limited to 500kbp/s on live stream you have a quick cpu already e8500 can easily oc past 3.6 prob could do 4.0 on a good mobo. When recording with fraps a fast hdd is important but when streaming it's not copying uncompressed frames to the hdd CPU and RAM is what matters in the stream you could also improve quality by lower the frame rate increasing the quality per frame at the cost of some fluidity but if it looks like shit fluid doesn't matter. I meant the way i would set it up is put the resolution on the lowest possible while maintaining my 16 aspect raito oc my cpu and ram as far as i could and set procaster to stream at porb 15fps less 12 if it's not looking good enough Well yeah, when I turn my stream on I get pretty bad FPS compared to when it's off. I guess the problem may lie in my 32 bit operating system(XP)? While I do have 4g of ram, it can only use 3.25. What I was hoping was for the better GPU to improve my in-game FPS while I am streaming.
Yeah becuase procaster wants the cpu and the game wants the cpu ususally how this is best handled in games is by having a quad core like i7 and set 2 cores to the game which gets the most benefit from only about 2 cores then set 2 cores for the stream so they don't interrupt each other viaing for cpu real estate try turning down cpu intensive settings in sc2 finding balance is what's it about
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
CPU. GPU doesn't matter at all.
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On April 20 2010 04:42 mahnini wrote:
i'm more interested in where you'll be able to livestream in HD res :O
Ustream. It's much much more reliable too.
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On April 20 2010 05:25 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:42 mahnini wrote:
i'm more interested in where you'll be able to livestream in HD res :O Ustream. It's much much more reliable too.
Yeap
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On April 20 2010 05:25 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:42 mahnini wrote:
i'm more interested in where you'll be able to livestream in HD res :O Ustream. It's much much more reliable too.
I think he is refering to bandwidth. Streaming HD is decent quality requires pretty fast upload (faster than most residential connections in the USA)
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FOR FUCKS SAKE STOP GETTING 9800GTX!!
THE GTS 250 IS THE SAME GPU EXCEPT CHEAPER, AND MORE POWER EFFICIENT
everytime I see one of those posted my head hurts so bad.
E8500 (besides there is not much you can upgrade to anyways...) should be fine for streaming and playing, just get some more RAM if you don't have enough already. Not sure about 'HD Quality' (do those even exist?). Dunno how much RAM you would need, but I would assume over 4GB.
Edit: Oh, you have a 32bit OS. You will need to get a 64bit OS and then upgrade your RAM in order to use all of it.
what fucking thread did you search anyways? A 2-3 year old one?
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Streaming HD even under kind conditions like 1280x720 a good highly compressed stream on generic content none of that anime optimized shit is like 2000kbp/s, under normal conditions where your cpu is doing other shit you probably need about 6000kbp/s to bring quality that could be called hd.
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Ati 5770 1Gb
And format your disk.
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On April 20 2010 10:38 semantics wrote:
Streaming HD even under kind conditions like 1280x720 a good highly compressed stream on generic content none of that anime optimized shit is like 2000kbp/s, under normal conditions where your cpu is doing other shit you probably need about 6000kbp/s to bring quality that could be called hd.
I think I was a little unclear to what I meant by HD. I just meant the HD button in procaster for livestream I didn't mean literally HD 1080p lol
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If you have problems streaming(which you should not with your current setup btw) you can upgrade your cpu to a quad-core. The stuff that does the encoding does not run on gpu at all.
About your screen going black when running a game and playing a video, I am not sure that it shouldn't... Gpus don't multitask. I would have to look into it but I think even the most recent ones would have issues with that. I'm not familiar with any dual monitor setups myself but can you turn hardware acceleration off on the video player??
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