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TeabagInsurance
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada320 Posts
March 15 2010 17:02 GMT
#1
The end of the semester for school is near, and for my Cryptography class we have to do a project on something Cryptography related. I've been pretty blank in terms for ideas so far, and I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations or anything. We will have to create a poster to put all of our information on for everyone to view ready for the last class, and we will be able to bring a laptop to run algorithms or what have you, although I don't know a whole lot about programming. Has anyone done anything like this before? Do you have any recommendations?

P.S. I was thinking of doing the Enigma, but there are already two groups in my class of 12 people doing it, and that wouldn't work.

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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-15 17:09:00
March 15 2010 17:08 GMT
#2
Aren't there some crypto puzzles in the form of some statue or something at the CIA or FBI headquarters that was fairly recently cracked (within the last couple of years). It might have been one of several crypto puzzles in the USA.

Found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptos
TeabagInsurance
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada320 Posts
March 15 2010 17:11 GMT
#3
Wow, that's actually pretty interesting, and it looks like there is a far amount of information to be able to do a project on it as well. I'll add that to the list of options, thanks
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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-15 17:34:00
March 15 2010 17:30 GMT
#4
G. Pete?
:]
TeabagInsurance
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada320 Posts
March 15 2010 18:11 GMT
#5
Err, what?
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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
March 15 2010 18:33 GMT
#6
On March 16 2010 03:11 TeabagInsurance wrote:
Err, what?

Just wondering if your professor is G Pete.
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NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
March 15 2010 19:35 GMT
#7
Sorry I can't help you but I laughed really really hard reading this:

The end of the semester for school is near, and for my Cryptography class we have to do a project on something Cryptography related.


D:
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Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
March 15 2010 19:38 GMT
#8
Go through a simple example to encode a message using RSA public key? That's what I did for my Information Age class.. it's actually pretty fun and the math behind is quite elegant ;-)
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-15 20:41:10
March 15 2010 20:39 GMT
#9
Or go Dan Brown style and show some simple code to which the key is the magic square?
The idea of a magic square is pretty neat in itself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_square

Edit: Or you could just go through a Crypto-Gram Newsletter archive and find something there. I've subscribed to it ages ago as it has some really cool articles about online security and stuff like that.

http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram.html
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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
March 15 2010 20:54 GMT
#10
Do the poster on RSA. it's relatively simple and easy to demonstrate. the math behind it is cool. Also look at AES and cryptology in magic tricks (encoding/mapping). I'm not sure where the boundary between cryptology and encoding lies.. but there are some interesting digital communication encoding and decoding procedures like 8b/10b.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 15 2010 20:59 GMT
#11
I don't know what level of sophistication is expected of you.
RSA is a very elegant mechanism and interesting to explain and understand. Also explain the advantages and applications of public key cryptosystems while you're at it.
Or demonstrate a transposition cypher, that should work well on the blackboard.
TeabagInsurance
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada320 Posts
March 16 2010 01:51 GMT
#12
On March 16 2010 03:33 illu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 03:11 TeabagInsurance wrote:
Err, what?

Just wondering if your professor is G Pete.

Nope, never heard of him.
On March 16 2010 04:35 Valentine wrote:
Sorry I can't help you but I laughed really really hard reading this:

Show nested quote +
The end of the semester for school is near, and for my Cryptography class we have to do a project on something Cryptography related.


D:

Actually it's kind of funny because that's exactly how he said it to us when he told us. I guess it's not completely weird though, because last year our end project didn't have to be related to the curriculum
On March 16 2010 04:38 Exteray wrote:
Go through a simple example to encode a message using RSA public key? That's what I did for my Information Age class.. it's actually pretty fun and the math behind is quite elegant ;-)

That's possible, as we've been going over RSA the past couple weeks. Today in class actually the teacher was writing code that does exactly that with Maple on the projecter.
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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
March 16 2010 02:34 GMT
#13
You can try breaking the code of the remaining 3 letters of the Zodiac Killer:

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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
March 16 2010 06:15 GMT
#14
On March 16 2010 10:51 TeabagInsurance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 03:33 illu wrote:
On March 16 2010 03:11 TeabagInsurance wrote:
Err, what?

Just wondering if your professor is G Pete.

Nope, never heard of him.
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 04:35 Valentine wrote:
Sorry I can't help you but I laughed really really hard reading this:

The end of the semester for school is near, and for my Cryptography class we have to do a project on something Cryptography related.


D:

Actually it's kind of funny because that's exactly how he said it to us when he told us. I guess it's not completely weird though, because last year our end project didn't have to be related to the curriculum
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 04:38 Exteray wrote:
Go through a simple example to encode a message using RSA public key? That's what I did for my Information Age class.. it's actually pretty fun and the math behind is quite elegant ;-)

That's possible, as we've been going over RSA the past couple weeks. Today in class actually the teacher was writing code that does exactly that with Maple on the projecter.

Never heard of him? I guess you are not in UofT then
:]
JodoYodo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1772 Posts
March 16 2010 14:20 GMT
#15
Waterwaterwater?
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Sirakor
Profile Joined April 2003
Great Britain455 Posts
March 16 2010 18:13 GMT
#16
RSA is a good idea and easy to demonstrate. Once you have also explained the public/private key concept, it's also easy to link with useful applications beyond "encryption", such as digital signatures, authentication (e.g. the GSM network uses something similar when you switch on your mobile to make sure you're not impersonating) etc.

If somebody else is already doing RSA, you could demonstrate one of the weaknesses of RSA, i.e. that if you have knowledge of the public key and keep encrypting the message with it, you will eventually get back to clear-text, and a lot faster than trying to factorize to get the private key. So if something was encrypted that can easily be verified whether you have arrived at cleartext (a text message in a known language for example), things become interesting ...

Or on a related topic you could demonstrate how to play rock-paper-scissors (or poker, same idea, just more complicated) over the phone.

Two more ideas: compression algorithms, e.g. ZIP or GIF. Or checksums, which are pretty useful for just about anything, from an ISBN to pharmaceuticals, to network packages, credit cards etc. Discuss not only how and why they work, but also how you can use the checksum to reconstruct the original if something went wrong e.g. through an omission or a transposition.

Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
March 16 2010 19:37 GMT
#17
Hard to say when you haven't described what you're learning and how in depth it is. I'm assuming you've learned about RSA in class. Maybe you can do something on comparing RSA and Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) -- they do similar things. ECC is faster but less widespread. The math is pretty tough but you can gloss over it and talk about the applications.

http://research.sun.com/projects/crypto/
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17695 Posts
March 18 2010 21:03 GMT
#18
On March 17 2010 03:13 Sirakor wrote:
RSA is a good idea and easy to demonstrate. Once you have also explained the public/private key concept, it's also easy to link with useful applications beyond "encryption", such as digital signatures, authentication (e.g. the GSM network uses something similar when you switch on your mobile to make sure you're not impersonating) etc.

If somebody else is already doing RSA, you could demonstrate one of the weaknesses of RSA, i.e. that if you have knowledge of the public key and keep encrypting the message with it, you will eventually get back to clear-text, and a lot faster than trying to factorize to get the private key. So if something was encrypted that can easily be verified whether you have arrived at cleartext (a text message in a known language for example), things become interesting ...

Or on a related topic you could demonstrate how to play rock-paper-scissors (or poker, same idea, just more complicated) over the phone.

Two more ideas: compression algorithms, e.g. ZIP or GIF. Or checksums, which are pretty useful for just about anything, from an ISBN to pharmaceuticals, to network packages, credit cards etc. Discuss not only how and why they work, but also how you can use the checksum to reconstruct the original if something went wrong e.g. through an omission or a transposition.


http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/1954259/Researchers-Find-Way-To-Zap-RSA-Algorithm


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RisingTide
Profile Joined December 2008
Australia769 Posts
March 18 2010 21:26 GMT
#19
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. Do Quantum Cryptography! It's basically the holy grail of un-interceptable messaging.
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