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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 14 2010 03:34 GMT
#1
im annoyed that i cant win a simple game vs 2 of my friends who just started to play SC. atm, im trying to give them game sense and make them faster so they can perform build orders and basics. to keep them playing, i play some UMS and play fastest with them. it seems i cant beat them in 1v2 and im getting really angry after losing to so much shit that isnt suppose to kill a protoss.. Anyone know strategies because Fastest is a map im unfamiliar with and i dont play 1v2 very often.

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Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
BlissX1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States328 Posts
February 14 2010 03:36 GMT
#2
씨발뇬 First off. Don't play fastest..... second off.... fastest puts everyone on the same level of play... almost
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Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
February 14 2010 03:37 GMT
#3
Wrong site. :p

Jk Maybe your friends are just gifted at starcraft :o
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 14 2010 03:39 GMT
#4
On February 14 2010 12:36 Bl1ss wrote:
씨발뇬 First off. Don't play fastest..... second off.... fastest puts everyone on the same level of play... almost

why would you curse.
They find no interest in Fighting spirit and you should know that.
How does it put everyone on the same level of play?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Lurgee
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia252 Posts
February 14 2010 03:39 GMT
#5
reaver drops at mineral lines + 50 gate goon~ will let your mechanics talk.
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
February 14 2010 03:40 GMT
#6
if your friends are bad (sounds like they are), you should be able to win a 1v2 easily, especially on fastest. all you have to do is open with cannons and several extra nexuses behind your mineral stack to pump probes and build a sick economy within minutes. then, tech to arbiters, reavers, and storm, and keep recalling shit into their economy while you build as many gateways as you can fit in your base, outlining your entire base with cannons. if you succeed in killing their nexuses, just keep pumping crap from your production facilities and throwing it at them until they run out of resources and can't keep up with their inferior economies.
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
February 14 2010 03:41 GMT
#7
On February 14 2010 12:36 Bl1ss wrote:
씨발뇬 First off. Don't play fastest..... second off.... fastest puts everyone on the same level of play... almost

You are obviously inexperienced. To play 1v2, I would suggest going Protoss. You said your opponents were bad, so try going pylon 4xgate nex, produce zeal from all 4 gates, after nex get 2 gas + core and start to tech. You could prolly kill one of them just by streaming 4 gate zeal, depending on how bad they are. From there I just normally wing it, adding gates + tech as necessary. If you have any macro at all you'll find Fastest map to be really easy, as you can tech/add gates/improve econ all at the same time.
..Slick...
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States202 Posts
February 14 2010 03:46 GMT
#8
If they just started and you've been playing sc for 2+ months you should ezpz them. I can't really help you lol
it was written
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 14 2010 03:47 GMT
#9
On February 14 2010 12:46 ..Slick... wrote:
If they just started and you've been playing sc for 2+ months you should ezpz them. I can't really help you lol

so you dont know any strategies is what your saying
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 03:48:42
February 14 2010 03:47 GMT
#10
I mostly agree with Numlock, although more than 4 gates is fine. If they're as bad as you say, the Zealots → Goon switch should kill at least one.

If they're just going mass cannon to survive initially (or mass bunker, sunken), then switch to Goon/Reaver as primary army.


Fastest should be played aggressively rather than cannoning up and massing probes. There is enough money flow to play aggressively while still building a fearsome economy.
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 03:53:36
February 14 2010 03:51 GMT
#11
i'm a beast on fastest lol

which fastest map are you playing on? can you show me what it looks like?
Nony is Bonjwa
Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
February 14 2010 03:54 GMT
#12
I dont think playing on fastest trains build orders -.-;;
Blah
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 14 2010 04:02 GMT
#13
is playing on fastest really that different from ladder maps? the only other person on my campus I know plays sc only plays on b.net and fastest maps....really wanna convert him xD

but if I'm d+ and he's just some kid who plays fastest think he could beat me?
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
lighter
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States152 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 04:11:44
February 14 2010 04:09 GMT
#14
On February 14 2010 13:02 N3rV[Green] wrote:
is playing on fastest really that different from ladder maps? the only other person on my campus I know plays sc only plays on b.net and fastest maps....really wanna convert him xD

but if I'm d+ and he's just some kid who plays fastest think he could beat me?


Haha, noone will believe me, but there's actually some very good fastest players.
There's just much more bad ones, which gives people the impression that fastest is all for noobs.
Maybe he's a good one You should do a mixed fastest/low Bo5!

Btw Op: I think zerg would be an easier 1v2 race. If you can survive the early game zealot rushes and get up a sunken spore lurk defense with likle 30 hatches, you'll be unbreakable and you can just mass anything and kill them 1 by 1. But only if they suck alot, or theyll just zealot rush you hard
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 14 2010 04:11 GMT
#15
On February 14 2010 12:54 Ryoo wrote:
I dont think playing on fastest trains build orders -.-;;

it helps macro in a huge way, same with bgh if you can keep your money down on either one of those you must have insane macro..

but go protoss, and rush fast goon tech then over power them with decent micro.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 14 2010 04:12 GMT
#16
On February 14 2010 12:54 Ryoo wrote:
I dont think playing on fastest trains build orders -.-;;

it doesnt. trains macro, but they dont want to play standard maps so im forced to play this until they get better.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
February 14 2010 04:22 GMT
#17
Heres my toss build that i've won in 1v2 2v3 situations before with. 7 pylon, 10 nexus, then get a forge and cannons in a simcity that suits the position and covers your mineral line well. I get 4 cannons usually. Then its just simply mass gateways and let your eco explode, you can max out by 9 minutes with pure speedlots and roll over anyone, with upgrades going from 3 forge plus a robotics and obs. The guy who said about going to arbiters or whatever is making it too complex, theres no need to be sitting around massing cannons. More around the nexus later on is ok but just keep it simple. This build finishes the game by 15 minutes or less usually in 3v3. Keep your macro up fully and mineral count right down and the others, even in a team game, usually cannot stop it.
..Slick...
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States202 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 04:30:55
February 14 2010 04:30 GMT
#18
On February 14 2010 12:47 Kenpachi wrote:
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On February 14 2010 12:46 ..Slick... wrote:
If they just started and you've been playing sc for 2+ months you should ezpz them. I can't really help you lol

so you dont know any strategies is what your saying


No I'm saying I can't help you if you've been playing for 2+ months and can't win off micro alone because you should be able to do it if you aren't D-.
it was written
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
February 14 2010 04:40 GMT
#19
then, tech to arbiters

Haha next game against my noobie friends on fastest, I'm just going to have 5 full arbiters constantly stasising their probes xD
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JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
February 14 2010 04:42 GMT
#20
zeal temp -> storm the worker patch is probably the first thing that comes to mind =p
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
February 14 2010 04:49 GMT
#21
On February 14 2010 13:42 JFKWT wrote:
zeal temp -> storm the worker patch is probably the first thing that comes to mind =p


You can also use an archon if the area has static defense cause they will usually last enough to get off 2 shots and kill the workers.
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
February 14 2010 04:56 GMT
#22
goon templar zealot + templar drop.

Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
February 14 2010 05:19 GMT
#23
just do lots of reaver and templar drops

make sure to wipe out every last miner every few minutes

then mass gates, put them in screen locks (F2, F3, F4) and mass units

use some obs and storm


that is how you rape
Nony is Bonjwa
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 14 2010 05:23 GMT
#24
alternatively if they dont play terran, mass reaver recall is really good.

its really really good against zerg that doesnt massm utas
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
February 14 2010 05:31 GMT
#25
On February 14 2010 12:36 Bl1ss wrote:
씨발뇬 First off. Don't play fastest..... second off.... fastest puts everyone on the same level of play... almost
lol wtf? do you even know what that means?

haha i feel like if that was in english you would be banned. it's like coming into the thread and saying FUCKER DONT PLAY FASTEST.
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lighter
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States152 Posts
February 14 2010 05:56 GMT
#26
On February 14 2010 12:36 Bl1ss wrote:
씨발뇬 First off. Don't play fastest..... second off.... fastest puts everyone on the same level of play... almost

Lol, go to channel clash on US West and ask for a 1v1. You'll find that you're not anywhere near the level of most players there.
Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
February 14 2010 06:09 GMT
#27
If your really serious about learning some to play some fastest I can prolly teach you a least a bit, I play fastest consistently and have a group of serious fastest playing friends that you could learn from.

As for a 1v2, i would recommend toss and a zlot fast nex strat...
anway.. you know who i am lol
(Patent)
"How hard could it be?" -J. Clarkson
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 14 2010 06:13 GMT
#28
On February 14 2010 15:09 Guilty wrote:
If your really serious about learning some to play some fastest I can prolly teach you a least a bit, I play fastest consistently and have a group of serious fastest playing friends that you could learn from.

As for a 1v2, i would recommend toss and a zlot fast nex strat...
anway.. you know who i am lol
(Patent)

whaaaaat you play fastest consistently and beat me and Nite consistently? somethings up >>...
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
February 14 2010 06:29 GMT
#29
On February 14 2010 15:13 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 15:09 Guilty wrote:
If your really serious about learning some to play some fastest I can prolly teach you a least a bit, I play fastest consistently and have a group of serious fastest playing friends that you could learn from.

As for a 1v2, i would recommend toss and a zlot fast nex strat...
anway.. you know who i am lol
(Patent)

whaaaaat you play fastest consistently and beat me and Nite consistently? somethings up >>...


yeah lol, when i say 'well im going to bed' or something like that, what i really do is go on east and hit up some fastest lol
"How hard could it be?" -J. Clarkson
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 14 2010 06:38 GMT
#30
On February 14 2010 15:29 Guilty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 15:13 Kenpachi wrote:
On February 14 2010 15:09 Guilty wrote:
If your really serious about learning some to play some fastest I can prolly teach you a least a bit, I play fastest consistently and have a group of serious fastest playing friends that you could learn from.

As for a 1v2, i would recommend toss and a zlot fast nex strat...
anway.. you know who i am lol
(Patent)

whaaaaat you play fastest consistently and beat me and Nite consistently? somethings up >>...


yeah lol, when i say 'well im going to bed' or something like that, what i really do is go on east and hit up some fastest lol

:O... invite me some more lol
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
February 14 2010 06:40 GMT
#31
im in channel avalon right now, just chillin
"How hard could it be?" -J. Clarkson
QuoC
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States724 Posts
February 14 2010 07:32 GMT
#32
On February 14 2010 12:39 Lurgee wrote:
reaver drops at mineral lines + 50 gate goon~ will let your mechanics talk.


QFT outmicro them but keep making workers nonstop (fastest map, unlimited barracks/gateways/hatches). everyones goal but hey, mechanics are more than half the battle
Dario "TLO" Wünsch -- Favorite SC2 Player
yooniball
Profile Joined October 2009
United States21 Posts
February 14 2010 08:13 GMT
#33
fastest isn't that noobie. i agree that melee is more difficult, but fastest also requires lots of teamwork and strategy. storming workers in fastest has a bigger effect than storming workers in melee i think.
One Shot. One Opportunity.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
February 14 2010 09:03 GMT
#34
Just build massive amounts of gates, get 3/3/3 asap, and roll them with superior upgrades/macro.

Also, I like to take another base just to mine extra gas. Infinite storm really helps against a lot of fastest strats, ESP mass mass mass marine.

10 robos pumping reavers is also a great strat. Nothing can touch that, except tanks really.

Proxying an early barracks in their base then getting firebats into the mins can be profitable

One of my all time favorite strats is speedlot runby to snipe their main CC/nex/hatch. Hurts/demoralizes so badly.
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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
February 14 2010 11:03 GMT
#35
On February 14 2010 12:36 Bl1ss wrote:
씨발뇬 First off. Don't play fastest..... second off.... fastest puts everyone on the same level of play... almost

plz do not swear in korean, you sound like an idiot.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
February 14 2010 12:01 GMT
#36
I would be a dick and cannon rush one of them while proxy gate rushing the other.

What would probably work the best, depending on what races they play, would be playing as terran and doing a 4 rax academy rush off of one gas and one CC.

If you want to play zerg, do a ling rush, add hatches, and tech to lurkers.

If you want to play toss, don't do the fast nexus thing, and just get four gates right off the bat. An early zealot rush with ~8-12 should be enough to cripple one of them, then just macro macro macro, and you should be fine.
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