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exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
January 21 2010 13:43 GMT
#1
For protoss players there is a big dilemma. The enemy is rushing down the hills in great numbers and you cant do anything to stop them. So you relocate to the choke in a controlled way. But in the meantime you can inflict damage to the rushing enemies while relocating. The question is do yuo use the patrol or the hold position in such a dire situation? Or is there no difference between H and P when it comes to dragoons.

I understand with other units there is difference between P and H but does that difference also exist with dragoons?

And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
kulik-
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Czech Republic305 Posts
January 21 2010 13:46 GMT
#2
i always forget this but H multiple attack and p fuck i forgot it sory
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Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
January 21 2010 14:20 GMT
#3
How is in this case patrol any different from attack move?

You use patrol to attack with your moving dragoons. In your case moving back? How is this a big dilemma? Also, hold position will make sure goons won't try to move somewhere to get into range of something they can't move to.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 15:00:18
January 21 2010 14:22 GMT
#4
I don't think there's a difference since goons have an attack animation unlike vults or mutas. Although that's probably with patrol vs attack. asdghghf
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 14:40:04
January 21 2010 14:39 GMT
#5
On January 21 2010 23:20 Glaucus wrote:
How is in this case patrol any different from attack move?

You use patrol to attack with your moving dragoons. In your case moving back? How is this a big dilemma? Also, hold position will make sure goons won't try to move somewhere to get into range of something they can't move to.

I thought patrol concentrates fire on the frontmost of units.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
January 21 2010 14:47 GMT
#6
patrol only when you don't want your goon to get hold stuck in a critical moment.
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
January 21 2010 14:48 GMT
#7
and it also make sure that your goons don't lag behind when he is out of target. this can happen a lot in battles.
Rillanon.au
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 21 2010 15:11 GMT
#8
i always use hold
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43136 Posts
January 21 2010 15:44 GMT
#9
I use attack move. I order them to move back, then attack move back, then wait the exact length of the dragoon firing animation and order them to move back again for the length of the dragoon cooldown. It's the exact same technique as moving dragoons in to engage in PvT or PvP, only done away from the enemy.
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 21 2010 15:45 GMT
#10
I've heard that patrol is always better... but I never knew the reasons behind it.
Tfact_rats
Profile Joined November 2009
175 Posts
January 21 2010 15:46 GMT
#11
I feel sorry for toss players.. how often do goons bug out like that? Gols can do some weird shit.. but it has to be super laggy for them not to auto fire intercepts. sometimes a stray one will walk all the way to the opponents main like he's sargent york trying take on the germans solo
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 21 2010 15:51 GMT
#12
On January 22 2010 00:46 Tfact_rats wrote:
I feel sorry for toss players.. how often do goons bug out like that? Gols can do some weird shit.. but it has to be super laggy for them not to auto fire intercepts. sometimes a stray one will walk all the way to the opponents main like he's sargent york trying take on the germans solo


marines and medics get stuck just as much and goliaths have the ridicolous aggro range lol
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
January 21 2010 16:09 GMT
#13
i dont use either. I use Attack move in the same fashion Kwark does it
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Poll: Manly goon micro
(Vote): Attack move
(Vote): Patrol
(Vote): Hold
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 21 2010 16:17 GMT
#14
I think Bisu uses attack-move to defend, there was that absolutely insane moment at WCG on Heartbreak Ridge where he perfectly defused every mine that Flash surrounded Bisu with
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 21 2010 16:47 GMT
#15
does anyone use hold? really?

hold position is a myth, attack move is much better
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LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 16:54:54
January 21 2010 16:48 GMT
#16
I only use hold position early game PvT against FD-rushes or 2fac vult aggression, while at the same time retreating.

In PvP only hold position occasionally when I chase an enemy who's retreating. But usually in PvP you always FOCUS fire in most situations. Even when retreating. Oh and sometimes I use hold when microing large amount of dragoons vs speedlots. Or small amount of goons vs small amount of zealots. Basically in situations where I wanna minimize damage inflicted on the goons. Where I really need to keep them alive.

Mid and lategame there's just too much else to do, you don't have time moving your hand to the H button. Always a-move except in the situations above.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
January 21 2010 16:59 GMT
#17
On occasion I will use HP for mines, but AM is my standard. I always keep my little finger hovering on the A key whenever I have dragoons selected.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#18
i use attack move when moving forward, hold when moving backwards
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
January 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#19
interesting poll, I never thought of this as an issue. (as I dont think it makes as much of a difference as it does with mutas for e.g.) In retreat or when surrounded by lings i usually use micro with H (so that's what i voted), otherwise i use A. Dunno why.
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numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
January 21 2010 17:13 GMT
#20
I use attack move for everything with goons, or I'll specifically target things like mines or frontmost melee units.
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