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On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote:Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambleThat'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling.
you're right, but I do have 1 counterpoint (I assume your last line to be talking about liquibetting, as betting with money is by society's standards a perfect example of gambling):
How can liquibetting StarCraft be gambling, as you are not staking anything for greater return?
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On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote:Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambleThat'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling.
you realise in the link you provided literally the SECOND definition has exactly 'involving chance' in it right. ok then
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On January 13 2010 12:56 Faronel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote:Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambleThat'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. you're right, but I do have 1 counterpoint (I assume your last line to be talking about liquibetting, as betting with money is by society's standards a perfect example of gambling): How can liquibetting StarCraft be gambling, as you are not staking anything for greater return?
I'm talking you and some guy decide to play StarCraft. If you think you're better than this guy, it's in your favour to bet. Just like if a experienced poker player goes to a table at limits he's confident at, it's in his favour. Gambling becomes such a meaningless term if it applies to pretty much everything. It becomes a problematic term if everyone has their own personal definition of how much luck must be involved to make something gambling.
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Calgary26003 Posts
For some reason I'm in the mood right now I can get behind this thread!!
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On January 13 2010 13:08 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote:Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambleThat'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. you realise in the link you provided literally the SECOND definition has exactly 'involving chance' in it right. ok then
It's a bad definition. That's why it's second. People misunderstand a word long enough, it becomes the definition of the word. Doesn't mean it's useful or that you should use it.
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On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote:Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambleThat'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling.
When a pawn shop owner buys something in hopes that he will be able to resell it for greater value he is absolutely gambling.
If you still disagree, look at definition number 5 in the link YOU provided.
edit: just read your other posts. No point in even arguing with you, when presented with the truth you just ignore it.
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On January 13 2010 13:15 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 13:08 Divinek wrote:On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote:Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambleThat'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. you realise in the link you provided literally the SECOND definition has exactly 'involving chance' in it right. ok then It's a bad definition. That's why it's second. People misunderstand a word long enough, it becomes the definition of the word. Doesn't mean it's useful or that you should use it.
i could say the same for your use of the first definition. Besides the numbering doesn't mean the quality of the definition, it's strictly a chronological thing, and I would think that makes it more accurate to come later. But I fully agree with mastermind!
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Okay. Your whole life is a gamble. You get sick and lose your job. No matter what your job was, that was a risk of it. Gambling. Great definition. The word is now essentially stating the obvious whenever someone says it because nothing is excluded.
A business venture CAN be a gamble. Poker CAN be gambling. That's obvious. There's a lot of times when it's a much surer thing though. Gambling only has a meaning when you apply it to someone relying on luck. When someone says 'let's gamble!' in poker, they specifically mean they just wanna throw money at the table no matter what cards they're holding or what the board is like. Otherwise you might as well just say 'let's gamble!' before everything you do since nothing is guaranteed.
Language has an express purpose of communicating information. If you call everything gambling the word might as well not exist.
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On January 13 2010 13:22 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 13:15 Chef wrote:On January 13 2010 13:08 Divinek wrote:On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote:Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambleThat'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. you realise in the link you provided literally the SECOND definition has exactly 'involving chance' in it right. ok then It's a bad definition. That's why it's second. People misunderstand a word long enough, it becomes the definition of the word. Doesn't mean it's useful or that you should use it. i could say the same for your use of the first definition. Besides the numbering doesn't mean the quality of the definition, it's strictly a chronological thing, and I would think that makes it more accurate to come later. But I fully agree with mastermind!
Numbering means the most common use of the word. It's not chronological at all, that's why archaic things are listed last. definition 2 for gambling is popular largely among soccer moms.
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The guy just felt like sharing a fun moment D:
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On January 13 2010 13:29 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 13:22 Divinek wrote:On January 13 2010 13:15 Chef wrote:On January 13 2010 13:08 Divinek wrote:On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote:Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambleThat'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. you realise in the link you provided literally the SECOND definition has exactly 'involving chance' in it right. ok then It's a bad definition. That's why it's second. People misunderstand a word long enough, it becomes the definition of the word. Doesn't mean it's useful or that you should use it. i could say the same for your use of the first definition. Besides the numbering doesn't mean the quality of the definition, it's strictly a chronological thing, and I would think that makes it more accurate to come later. But I fully agree with mastermind! Numbering means the most common use of the word. It's not chronological at all, that's why archaic things are listed last. definition 2 for gambling is popular largely among soccer moms.
is it really the most common use of the word?
lets take gay as an easy example
gay
/geɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [gey] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
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–adjective
1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.
2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.
then all the way down at number 5
5. homosexual.
i dont think that's archaic, i think that defintion was found after!
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i recently visited liquidpoker and heard that peeps are buying that poker shark plush. i want it too. but im not that good online poker player. what's the dollar equivalent to buy that plush?
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It is definitely gambling, just as daytrading stocks it. sure you can put the odds in your favor but shit can still happen that will fuck you up. if you're a good though you will come out positive in the end.
that being said i dropped all of my 50$ i brought to the casino on my first hand of poker with a 98% chance to win and lost 
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Why y'all talking about gambling? this guy just wants to GAMBOL!
gam·bol (gmbl)
intr.v. gam·boled or gam·bolled, gam·bol·ing or gam·bol·ling, gam·bols
To leap about playfully; frolic.
n.
A playful skipping or frolicking about
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That shark plushie is pretty damn awesome.
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Thanks to this thread I have decided to get one of those sharks. Fucking badass.
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Korea (South)11598 Posts
Want to flip 20 hands at 1c/2c? PM me
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yea just because it's not vs ridiculously favored house odds and vs other equal humans doesn't mean it's not gambling.
My friends make stupid bets all the time, 5 bucks on how much a nug weighs with over and under spread or whatever. They bet a few bucks on whatever sports is on atm because it makes the game more exciting rooting for a team. So yea you could say they are paying for the experience.
I guess that would make sense too because they always think i'm too bitch or too poor to make a bet, but in reality I don't know enough about anything to make a bet nor do I get any enjoyment from doing it.
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On January 13 2010 15:43 huameng wrote:
Thanks to this thread I have decided to get one of those sharks. Fucking badass.
lol where
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