EPTOn December 25 2009 21:28 lazz wrote:
oh god imagine if shine won this osl O.o
oh god imagine if shine won this osl O.o
No! Thats just sad... T.T
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DragoonPK
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:28 lazz wrote: oh god imagine if shine won this osl O.o If Shine wins this OSL, I'll stop watching the OSL completely and just stick to PL and MSL. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:30 o3.power91 wrote: If Shine wins this OSL, I'll stop watching the OSL completely and just stick to PL and MSL. He will ride the momentum into the other tourneys and become the last bonjwa O_O. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:24 KwarK wrote: Any B player on icc immediately counts the drones upon scouting on HBR. If there's one missing then they know what's up. Of course some sneakier zergs use the gas trick to get an extra drone just to fuck with you but Shine didn't even do that. He told Stork what was up and Stork didn't listen. And you shouldn't simcity your own nexus in PvZ because you need ground mobility for fighting mutalisks. While Stork can macro/micro/multitask decently his theory is severely lacking in areas I consider fairly basic. He deserved to lose game 3. What do you do when you see it coming? I thought Stork knew it was coming (since he did check with a probe just in case) but in any case I don't see what he could've done other than keep probes blocking the rear entrance for quite a while like he did, which in the end still fucks over your economy. The part where he sim citied his main nexus was rather bad, but even if hadn't, wouldn't his nat have been fucked? The thing is, on HBR I have no idea what to expect after the initial gayness. If it's mutas, I'm going to have to put up cannons in the min line, but at the same time that will make me weaker against against hydras. If I am lucky and manage to sneak in a probe, then of course I can find out what is going on and cancel cannons if I had put them up already and he goes hydra, but I'm not always so lucky. But the latter part is just standard on any map. The most annoying part for me is that it comes with the possibility of my economy getting fucked early game. I have no idea how really to deal with it efficiently, and that mindset leads to me doing worse in games on HBR than on any other map ;/ | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
the site's main banner .. changed o.O + Show Spoiler + RAIN DEERS MOTHERFUCKER | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:33 Megalisk wrote: He will ride the momentum into the other tourneys and become the last bonjwa O_O. I'll stop watching Starcraft in that case and pray that SC2 is better than a SC era of Shine dominance. | ||
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DragoonPK
3259 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:33 Megalisk wrote: He will ride the momentum into the other tourneys and become the last bonjwa O_O. joke? That would be Kutcher Punking the BW Scene XD! | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:36 lazz wrote: it's been like that all daydid anyone notice .. the site's main banner .. changed o.O + Show Spoiler + RAIN DEERS MOTHERFUCKER | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:36 lazz wrote: did anyone notice .. the site's main banner .. changed o.O + Show Spoiler + RAIN DEERS MOTHERFUCKER There were like 2 blogs about this... and I think there is snow now on the letters that didn't used to be there | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:23 DragoonPK wrote: The only thing he does is make hydras and attack. I mean come on, look at Jaedong, Calm, Effort, Zero these people you can see personality reflected in their games. This guys is copy-cat that just does standard stuff well.. Nothing impressive.. you see first game v stork? hydras and attack, huh? | ||
KwarK
United States43212 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:35 EtherealDeath wrote: What do you do when you see it coming? I thought Stork knew it was coming (since he did check with a probe just in case) but in any case I don't see what he could've done other than keep probes blocking the rear entrance for quite a while like he did, which in the end still fucks over your economy. The part where he sim citied his main nexus was rather bad, but even if hadn't, wouldn't his nat have been fucked? The thing is, on HBR I have no idea what to expect after the initial gayness. If it's mutas, I'm going to have to put up cannons in the min line, but at the same time that will make me weaker against against hydras. If I am lucky and manage to sneak in a probe, then of course I can find out what is going on and cancel cannons if I had put them up already and he goes hydra, but I'm not always so lucky. But the latter part is just standard on any map. The most annoying part for me is that it comes with the possibility of my economy getting fucked early game. I have no idea how really to deal with it efficiently, and that mindset leads to me doing worse in games on HBR than on any other map ;/ Remember you see the missing drone before you've even placed a cannon (2 player maps ftw). You move your cannons to anti runby locations. You then fake not scouting it. There's all sorts of ways you can turn it back on them. They think the situation is that they have options like runthrough which you don't know about. Actually the situation is you know about their options but they don't know you know. Often when they think it's unscouted zergs will rape their own eco for lings and suicide themselves into cannons they weren't expecting which is always lol. If you want to be really sexy you just place a cannon on your main minline and don't bother walling at all or put 2 probes in your choke and pylon as he runs through. It's only initial gayness if they have the knowledge and you don't. If you have the knowledge and they don't you can reverse it on them. Shine didn't really commit to the runthrough but he didn't have to because Stork lost a huge amount of mining time which fucked him. Better cannon placements would have stopped 6 slowlings running through without needing any probes so we can assume an extra few hundred minerals if he wasn't an idiot. That means his first corsair scouts better and doesn't die. That means his mutalisk attack is met by cannons and 3 corsairs which in turn means he has 2 gas for longer and can get 4 more ht to meet the hydras. If the zerg does what Shine did, opening by mining through then not committing to it, and the the P does what any good player does, adapting by better cannon placements and not needing probes, then the game progresses as normal. The only difference is that the P needs to add a few better placed cannons vs hydra pressure later should that occur and the Z takes his third about 30 seconds later than normal. | ||
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Faranth
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:55 Faranth wrote: I won't argue that Shine didn't play well in order to earn his spot in the Ro4. Although I think he pretty much is reliant upon midgame hydra/muta play, he does it well and exploits the maps frustratingly well (see Stork v. Shine game 3 on Neo HBR). My disappointment stems from the high probability of a Flash v. Shine finals. Movie v. Shine has El Nino TWICE in the map pool, so unless Movie defies map imbalance, he will fall to Shine, and Flash will likely dominate Calm as he did Jaedong. Then, what happens? Flash crushes Shine. FvZ is a joke at the moment, as Flash is nearly unstoppable. If Stork made it through to the finals, we'd have a rematch of the Bacchus '08, and methinks that Stork is the only one who stands a chance against Flash at the moment. Protoss is Flash's 'weakest' matchup, and he's been dropping a lot of games to top tier Protoss lately, making an upset a tantalizing possibility - but without Stork, and with Movie heading towards a map imba loss... this OSL is decided. I won't bother watching the Ro4, or probably even the finals. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104246 hopefully shine and flash aren't too much better than hero and light | ||
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KwarK
United States43212 Posts
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Anduril
United States248 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:45 KwarK wrote: Remember you see the missing drone before you've even placed a cannon (2 player maps ftw). You move your cannons to anti runby locations. You then fake not scouting it. There's all sorts of ways you can turn it back on them. They think the situation is that they have options like runthrough which you don't know about. Actually the situation is you know about their options but they don't know you know. Often when they think it's unscouted zergs will rape their own eco for lings and suicide themselves into cannons they weren't expecting which is always lol. If you want to be really sexy you just place a cannon on your main minline and don't bother walling at all or put 2 probes in your choke and pylon as he runs through. It's only initial gayness if they have the knowledge and you don't. If you have the knowledge and they don't you can reverse it on them. Shine didn't really commit to the runthrough but he didn't have to because Stork lost a huge amount of mining time which fucked him. Better cannon placements would have stopped 6 slowlings running through without needing any probes so we can assume an extra few hundred minerals if he wasn't an idiot. That means his first corsair scouts better and doesn't die. That means his mutalisk attack is met by cannons and 3 corsairs which in turn means he has 2 gas for longer and can get 4 more ht to meet the hydras. If the zerg does what Shine did, opening by mining through then not committing to it, and the the P does what any good player does, adapting by better cannon placements and not needing probes, then the game progresses as normal. The only difference is that the P needs to add a few better placed cannons vs hydra pressure later should that occur and the Z takes his third about 30 seconds later than normal. Isn't the alternate cannon placement for anti backstab worse against ling/hydra all-in since they won't be in the proper position to back up the later cannons you put up? Although I suppose I should be able to survive that allin relatively fine if he basically wastes a drone at the start. | ||
Waxangel
United States33483 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:59 KwarK wrote: Movie will succeed where Bisu and Stork failed. The two core aspects of his style, excellent reaver use and sticking on 2 bases forever, will let him weather the midgame storm and then the hanbang he unleashes at the start of the lategame will smash shit up. There's a decent chance that it will become very ugly and messy because both of these guys don't have much finesse, I'm thinking Violet vs Shine on destination all over again -_- | ||
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
On December 25 2009 21:59 KwarK wrote: Movie will succeed where Bisu and Stork failed. The two core aspects of his style, excellent reaver use and sticking on 2 bases forever, will let him weather the midgame storm and then the hanbang he unleashes at the start of the lategame will smash shit up. Dunno man... Movie is good but El Nino is like 80% ZvP in tlpd. Though maybe Movie pulls out some new awesome strat for El Nino? i wouldnt put it above him seing as hes proably Aiurs Brightest star atm. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On December 25 2009 22:16 Kreedit wrote: Dunno man... Movie is good but El Nino is like 80% ZvP in tlpd. Though maybe Movie pulls out some new awesome strat for El Nino? i wouldnt put it above him seing as hes proably Aiurs Brightest star atm. He's the brightest, coz he's the only one left T_T | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
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