EPTI'm wondering what's the point to play iCCup anymore. I either get bashed by B +++ smurfs or worse, people cheese me most of the time. I really can't enjoy my time on iCCup.
How is it the best place for practice then?
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
I'm wondering what's the point to play iCCup anymore. I either get bashed by B +++ smurfs or worse, people cheese me most of the time. I really can't enjoy my time on iCCup. How is it the best place for practice then? | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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Pads
England3228 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
If you are Z go 9 pool. If you are T just quit. My 2 cents. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On November 29 2009 23:44 Pads wrote: Sigh. Posts like these need to stop. If you go on a losing streak, go do something else for 20 minutes. There must be SOMETHING else in your house you can do. Even if I go off for 20 minutes, that won't solve my problem for being cheesed/bashed.  Seriously, I want to improve not to play such games. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
Then cheese, yea it happens, it teaches you basic unit control and scouting and when u have learned that u move up to a rank where it is less common. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 29 2009 23:50 KlaCkoN wrote: Seriously everyone complains about being bashed by b+ guys at d levels, i found that sooo very hard to believe lol. First of all there aren't that many people that ARE B+ and the notion that those few would constantly reset in order to play at d levels is fairly ... strange imo. Most likely are the people bashing u c-/c players in need of a confidence boost which I agree is a bit lame. Then cheese, yea it happens, it teaches you basic unit control and scouting and when u have learned that u move up to a rank where it is less common. I found some funny guys in my match list. Yea they aren't B+ but they look like C level who like to D bash. http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/858381/1x1.html http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/775166/1x1.html I kinda loled when i looked at their matchlists. Overall it isn't that bad if it doesn't happen every game because playing vs slightly better people is always good even if you know that you will lose. | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
On November 29 2009 23:45 Boblion wrote: If you are P don't play vs Z. PvZ is waaaay easier at low levels. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Not if you are playing vs C/reset-tards while you are D+ | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On November 29 2009 23:34 slimshady wrote: I either get bashed by B +++ smurfs or worse, people cheese me most of the time. So I assume you're a B level player if you get bashed by B+ smurfs. In that the knowledge of an average TL member wouldn't prove very helpfull to you. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On November 30 2009 00:06 FirstBorn wrote: So I assume you're a B level player if you get bashed by B+ smurfs. In that the knowledge of an average TL member wouldn't prove very helpfull to you. B +++ = B or higher. I'm only C. | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On November 30 2009 00:06 Boblion wrote: Not if you are playing vs C/reset-tards while you are D+ That goes for any matchup except PvT | ||
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Tribulation
Norway86 Posts
When you find someone of similar skill. ask for another game and eventually add him to friends if he wants to. having a few practice partners can make it a lot more enjoyable then to playing random people. It will also help you become better. The easiest way to get practice partners however is to join an active clan. | ||
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PangO
Chile1870 Posts
There you'll find plenty of players like you | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
If you fear bulldog, add a bunker when your expansion is running. But just answer the question and we can check how to optimize your gameplay. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9031 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
or zvp | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
vs Z i do 7 pylon and scout very early for 5 pool builds and overpools. the rest is standard, their macro sucks as much as mine, and it's fun. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
If you lose your scout probe and die to mass lings a short while later, you shouldn't see it as getting cheesed. Your opponent is simply taking an opportunity and you get punished for being dumb. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
No lol. Actually when i play someone better than me in PvP i want him to cheese because i have way more chances to beat him. In PvZ cheese or not i know i will be stomped. | ||
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win8282
Korea (South)454 Posts
Maybe its cos i play during Korean times, but just about every zerg/terran opponent I face have APM north of 200. Zerg's neosauron builds are executed extremely crisply even at the D+ level. Obviously about half of those zergs are former C~B+ players. Educational, but frustrating as hell.(Funny how I've never reached C- playing during Korean times. Whenever I wake up really early and play, or stay late at night, I can get C- ez playing against foreigners... XD) | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On November 30 2009 02:29 Boblion wrote: No lol. Actually when i play someone better than me in PvP i want him to cheese because i have way more chances to beat him. In PvZ cheese or not i know i will be stomped. Maybe that's because you are bad at PvZ compared to others? I preferred PvZ over the other matchups when i was protoss. It's a preference. None of this SC T>Z>P>T Imba comes into low level play. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 30 2009 02:35 Camlito wrote: Maybe that's because you are bad at PvZ compared to others? I preferred PvZ over the other matchups when i was protoss. It's a preference. None of this SC T>Z>P>T Imba comes into low level play. Nah it is because build order deviations are really risky in mirror match ups. I think it is a bad idea to cheese when you have an edge in mirrors. Also cheesing ZvP is less allin ( except for 5 pool ) than 3/4 gates goon or fast Dts in PvP. Like you can still play if you fail your lings run by or your funky 2 hatch muts. Especially if you have an edge. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
So basicly when you fail your cheese PvP it allows your opponent to take his expo earlier and you are basicly fucked and contained in your main whereas the z will be able to use his superior macro ( with two bases ) and mobility advantage to get back in the game. | ||
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Cu(oCo)
Italy358 Posts
On November 29 2009 23:44 Pads wrote: Sigh. Posts like these need to stop. If you go on a losing streak, go do something else for 20 minutes. There must be SOMETHING else in your house you can do. he whines here :/ | ||
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JoMal
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On November 30 2009 02:35 win8282 wrote: As a D+/C- toss, I share your pain. Maybe its cos i play during Korean times, but just about every zerg/terran opponent I face have APM north of 200. Zerg's neosauron builds are executed extremely crisply even at the D+ level. Obviously about half of those zergs are former C~B+ players. Educational, but frustrating as hell.(Funny how I've never reached C- playing during Korean times. Whenever I wake up really early and play, or stay late at night, I can get C- ez playing against foreigners... XD) actually some of those north of 200 apm guys are just like you. they keep trying to rank up but find it hard to do so becausae they play other good ppl at the d lvl. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On November 30 2009 03:55 JoMal wrote: I've developed a super nerd rage on iccup now. Some guy just beat me with manner pylon into proxy robo DT drop on destination. LOL sounds like what all the tosses do to me. if not that i get bulldogged. ive been raging for days | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On November 30 2009 02:29 Boblion wrote: No lol. Actually when i play someone better than me in PvP i want him to cheese because i have way more chances to beat him. In PvZ cheese or not i know i will be stomped. The only thing I fear from higher ranked players is a muta transition. I hate those.... Everything else you should never fear! | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 30 2009 05:47 EtherealDeath wrote: The only thing I fear from higher ranked players is a muta transition. I hate those.... Everything else you should never fear! Well, ling abuse or 3 hatch hydras are kinda annoying too especially when you play vs a superior opponent and you know that you shouldn't build too much cannons to not get even more behind in eco. Yea of course you have to scout but a decent opponent can hide it :/ | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2749 Posts
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2056 Posts
For me, reading the book that came with the BW battlechest actually helped me alot, because there was an appendix with unit counters. Then I learned online that In order to be efficient, I needed to keep my money down and my buildings working. With only these two facts, I could devise plans (build orders etc) to defeat my opponents. Later on i was introduced to pgtour, which fueled my competitive spirit with the desire to improve. I had no idea that I, a newb, could actually play against great players on a private server. The thought of getting bashed on by excellent opponents was thrilling, not defeating and humiliating. I did'nt know what cheese was back then and I didnt care. In fact, I still do not care. Cheese is part of the game, an awesome part of it. I was not a cheesy player myself, finding that beating down my opponent with giant armies was pretty awesome, so I tried to design my play to prevent quick loses through the use of good scouting. If you do not share this desire to improve then perhaps you shouldnt be playing on the most competitive foreigner ladder, and should stick to friendly games only. Its just a matter of what is most enjoyable to you, the thrill of competitive play and self improvement or the relaxation involved in friendly 1v1/2v2/ums games. ofc u can do both at different times too lol | ||
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