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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 05:02:10
November 20 2009 05:00 GMT
#1
I have a math quiz tomorrow, and in the process of studying I found a problem that escapes me.

"Solve the differential equation by separation of variables."
essentially, integrate the function by separating y and x.

question:
dy/dx = cos(x) * e^(y + sin(x))

I get:
sin(x) = u, cos(x)dx = du

dy = du * e^(y + u)
dy = du * e^(y) * e^(u)
e^(-y)dy = e^(u)du

=>

-e^(-y) = e^(u) + C
ln(-e^(-y)) = ln (e^(u) + C)
y = ln(e^(u) + C)

answer is

y = - ln(C - e^(u))

Where the hell did I go wrong? :/

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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
November 20 2009 05:08 GMT
#2
-e^(-y) = e^u + C
e^(-y) = -e^u + C (C is an arbitrary constant anyway)
-y = ln(C-e^u)
y = -ln(C-e^u)

As for where your problem is, give me a second to figure that out.

I think it's your last line. ln(-e&(-y)) != y
ln(-e^(-y)) = (ln(e^(-y))^(-1) = -y^(-1) ?
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
November 20 2009 05:11 GMT
#3

ln(-e^(-y)) = ln (e^(u) + C) is illegal
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 05:12:01
November 20 2009 05:11 GMT
#4
oh I didn't realize I took the ln of a negative

thanks!_!

So the negative doesn't affect the constant? fuuuuu

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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2419 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 05:18:36
November 20 2009 05:16 GMT
#5
I get the feeling you should definitely move the negative over before taking the ln of both sides. You don't want to take ln of negative numbers, and the left hand side is definitely negative.

If you do move the negative over, you will get

ln(e^(-y)) = ln (-e^(u) + D) (new constant which would be the negative of your old one)

And now, you will get their answer.



It's really weird though, it feels like it should still technically be "legal" to do it your way.



edit: I'm too slow.

The negative affects the constant but you just relabel it as a new constant. For all you knew C was negative anyway, so your new one is a positive constant.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 05:18:49
November 20 2009 05:18 GMT
#6
I completely just breezed over it somehow, and I never realized that a negative doesn't "affect" the constant, though it does make sense now that I've seen it.

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coltrane
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Chile988 Posts
November 20 2009 07:57 GMT
#7
lol you always add the constant because you dont even know if is positive in the first place. Actually, it doesnt matters, the algebra>>>>the signus.
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United States12796 Posts
November 20 2009 09:49 GMT
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