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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/499/musicnotationquestion.jpg) This is in 4/4 time. This only concerns the upper staff, but both staffs are treble clef. In the 1st and 3rd measure, it makes no sense to me how there's a whole note E and then another E after. The whole note should already fill the entire measure given the time signature. My main question is how would you play the 1st and 3rd measure? Are you supposed to play the E up until the next E, where you lift your finger off and then play it again?  | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9106 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
It would be best to do what you propose. Otherwise, it would sound quite strange indeed. | ||
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searcher
277 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On November 19 2009 09:14 Jonoman92 wrote: That's weird. Since it's tied I don't think you're supposed to hit the note again so I don't know what is meant by having the additional half+dot note in the 1st measure, and the half note in the 3rd measure. well that can't be it, because when I hear the official MP3 that came with this sheet music, I can definitely hear the dotted half (1st measure) and half note in 3rd measure being played, but I just can't tell if/how the whole notes were played edit: it's also a slur not a tie | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On November 19 2009 09:16 searcher wrote: Most likely it's two melodies at once, so the time signatures don't "interfere". I think although its placement on the upper staff doesn't suggest it, you'd play first E with the left hand, and the second E with the right hand. Could be completely wrong, haven't played piano in a while. i think this is right, which makes sense because the bottom staff's chords are all whole notes, you're probably supposed to play it with left hand then switch to right on the given notes | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
Press the E very carefully and softly so that it doesn't sound. Press the middle pedal (sostenuto pedal, which uprights usually don't have) immediately after you do this. Then, immediately follow by playing the initial chord of the excerpt. If you do this correctly (and it's difficult, I will tell you), only the E should be sustained even when you take your hands off it, as long as you hold the middle pedal. When the second E appears in the measure, you can play the E and have it sound again (louder), without having a break in between. Very elaborate and probably not what this simplistic piece meant to indicate. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On November 19 2009 09:22 Zelniq wrote: i think this is right, which makes sense because the bottom staff's chords are all whole notes, you're probably supposed to play it with left hand then switch to right on the given notes Very doubtful. If this were the case, they would have placed the E on the bottom clef, along with the triad. (In this case, if the editor/publisher knew what he was doing, he would need to encircle the second E with parenthesis -- indicating it is there but should not be played again -- or alternatively, notate it as if it were two different, non-overlapping notes) | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
and the full first page of the music (as you can see the picture above is the 2nd measure of this piece) : ![[image loading]](http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6267/ff7aeriththeme.jpg) | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
About that weird symbol by the left hand bit, no idea what it even means, as you can tell I'm self taught and have no actual musical knowledge. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
Measure 15 looks even more problematic: not only is only holding that C sharp with your finger impossible, it again is being played again on the LH multiple times while its being held. I say drop this nonsense and go play some mozart instead. | ||
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liosama
Australia843 Posts
On November 19 2009 09:42 phosphorylation wrote: I say drop this nonsense and go play some mozart instead. lol | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
You basically have a Soprano singing E-C-E while an Alto sings E the whole time on the background. As it's heard in the video, the note is supposed to be pressed again, cause it's part of the melody the Soprano sings. I'm not sure if you're supposed to do any weird tricks like phosphorylation described, since I'm a guitarist, but I'd save me the trouble and just press the damn note again :p Just try to imagine in your head, as I said, two different voices singing together. That's the effect you want to have in the end when you play it | ||
mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On November 19 2009 09:42 phosphorylation wrote: I think you might be fussing over little too much over this. Just hold it as long as possible until you need to play it again. Measure 15 looks even more problematic: not only is only holding that C sharp with your finger impossible, it again is being played again on the LH multiple times while its being held. I say drop this nonsense and go play some mozart instead. after listening to the song again and reading about the sostenuto pedal, i think that's exactly what's going on, including the C sharp in measure 15. too bad I dont have that pedal! btw i chose this piece for my piano class final, I guess you're right that it doesn't really matter how I choose to play that | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
I really doubt the player is using the sostenuto. Unless he uses it in the extremely elaborate way that I described (which I think would be noticeable), the sostenuto pedal would hold everything that is played at the same time E is played, and hence would be NO DIFFERENT from using the normal pedal. | ||
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Khenra
Netherlands885 Posts
Now, as to actually play it, I'd hold the sustain pedal after you play the A in the first measure until you play the E, and then quickly let go of the sustain pedal. Then again, I'm a bad piano player. | ||
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jiabung
United States720 Posts
I'm pretty sure this happens all the time in classical music as well. Many times there should be a note sustained throughout an entire measure, but yet you have to play it again as an eighth note or something. It's to show how the music should sound to the listener and at higher levels it actually helps to have the music appear consistently with the melody rather than have it appear differently on the page just because it's impossible to play it that way. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On November 19 2009 09:57 Khenra wrote: It's not badly notated, it's simply two melodies. One of the melodies is two eight notes followed by a 3/4 note = 4/4. The other melody is a whole note = 4/4. Makes perfect sense. Now, as to actually play it, I'd hold the sustain pedal after you play the A in the first measure until you play the E, and then quickly let go of the sustain pedal. Then again, I'm a bad piano player. Then, the A would be held over as well, unless you cut it off prematurely, in which you cannot preserve the legato. Now, what about that measure 15? Have fun with that lol. | ||
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
The 2nd part of aerith's theme LH is full of triplets lool.. The song is simple but good luck.. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On November 19 2009 09:50 Zelniq wrote: after listening to the song again and reading about the sostenuto pedal, i think that's exactly what's going on, including the C sharp in measure 15. too bad I dont have that pedal! btw i chose this piece for my piano class final, I guess you're right that it doesn't really matter how I choose to play that Well since you are screwed by pedal, you can always play the C# with your left hand. There are random times when things have to be ad hoc'd like that, for example in this one Chopin ballade I had to play two notes with one finger on my left hand because it was impossible for me to reach otherwise. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
It is notated like that to show that you should hold down the 1st E as long as possible and then quickly strike it again for the 2nd beat | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On November 19 2009 10:05 kaleidoscope wrote: Play the E note, and use pedal throughout the 4th measure.. The 2nd part of aerith's theme LH is full of triplets lool.. The song is simple but good luck.. u'll probably be pedalling almost every bar to get the effect of bells anyway rite? edit: ok more like every phrase, my bad | ||
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