EPTI can't remember exactly why it was, but I think it had something to do with how it didn't effect how many hits it took goons to kill tanks when P was +3 attack, regardless of T's armor.
Am I just making this up, or what?
No 3rd armor TvP
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
I can't remember exactly why it was, but I think it had something to do with how it didn't effect how many hits it took goons to kill tanks when P was +3 attack, regardless of T's armor. Am I just making this up, or what? | ||
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Ziph
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Hittegods
Stockholm4640 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
most of the damage a terran army takes isnt even from goons late game.. its mostly from siege tank splash, mines and psi storms. then you have to factor in zealot damage, (which gets reduced greatly by armor upgrades as zealots hit twice) and arbiter/carrier damage, and then you're left with the remaining damage being dealt by goons.. goons are simply a proportion of the damage taken so you shouldn't justify not getting armor simply because "oh goons will still 7 shot tanks anyway even if i get armor.. so the armor doesn't make a difference" which is obviously a farce because siege tanks almost NEVER only take damage from goons. they take damage from multiple sources and the armor might end up keeping a tank alive at 1 hp etc.. tldr: siege tanks take damage from multiple sources, so your friend's reasoning is flawed. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
(I was the one saying you usually get 3-3 o.o) | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Always
United States376 Posts
On November 10 2009 06:49 lazz wrote: whoever told you that is a giant newbie. always get the armor if you can. most of the damage a terran army takes isnt even from goons late game.. its mostly from siege tank splash, mines and psi storms. then you have to factor in zealot damage, (which gets reduced greatly by armor upgrades as zealots hit twice) and arbiter/carrier damage, and then you're left with the remaining damage being dealt by goons.. goons are simply a proportion of the damage taken so you shouldn't justify not getting armor simply because "oh goons will still 7 shot tanks anyway even if i get armor.. so the armor doesn't make a difference" which is obviously a farce because siege tanks almost NEVER only take damage from goons. they take damage from multiple sources and the armor might end up keeping a tank alive at 1 hp etc.. tldr: siege tanks take damage from multiple sources, so your friend's reasoning is flawed. actually dude, I think you meant that the TC's reasoning is flawed, since the TC is the one that thinks T doesn't need to get a 3rd armor upgrade unless the P is going carriers. just thought you might want to know to correct your otherwise legit post. but yeah-- even if you took a lot of damage from goons, you can still assume that the p isn't matching you upgrade for upgrade. more armor = happier terran, I think. I haven't heard anything that says otherwise. I play T myself, and I feel like I would have remembered reading something like that. | ||
Heyoka
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
I swear I can remember reading or hearing something about Terran's not getting the 3rd armor upgrade in TvP because it wasn't worth the gas, unless the P went carriers. whoever told you that is a giant newbie. always get the armor if you can. So I don't think there's anything wrong at all with lazz's post  | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On November 10 2009 07:00 Always wrote: I think I pretty clearly stated it wasn't my idea to not get the 3rd armor.actually dude, I think you meant that the TC's reasoning is flawed, since the TC is the one that thinks T doesn't need to get a 3rd armor upgrade unless the P is going carriers. just thought you might want to know to correct your otherwise legit post. but yeah-- even if you took a lot of damage from goons, you can still assume that the p isn't matching you upgrade for upgrade. more armor = happier terran, I think. I haven't heard anything that says otherwise. I play T myself, and I feel like I would have remembered reading something like that. | ||
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SpriteLove
United States226 Posts
On November 10 2009 06:38 Ziph wrote: I think you should just stick to playing zerg. this plz d:D | ||
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Toxic
Canada233 Posts
2-3 150/23 = 6.52 7hits 150/18 = 8.33 9 hits 3-3 150/24 = 6.25 7hits 150/16 = 9.38 10 hits So yeah, with just that i would say it doesn't make much of a difference. The only real benefit is vs carriers. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On November 10 2009 08:00 Toxic wrote: Goon hits ||||||||||||||||| Zealot hits 2-3 150/23 = 6.52 7hits 150/18 = 8.33 9 hits 3-3 150/24 = 6.25 7hits 150/16 = 9.38 10 hits So yeah, with just that i would say it doesn't make much of a difference. The only real benefit is vs carriers. and the zealot hits doesn't really count because the majority of zealot damage on tanks is from splash. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On November 10 2009 08:00 Toxic wrote: Goon hits ||||||||||||||||| Zealot hits 2-3 150/23 = 6.52 7hits 150/18 = 8.33 9 hits 3-3 150/24 = 6.25 7hits 150/16 = 9.38 10 hits So yeah, with just that i would say it doesn't make much of a difference. The only real benefit is vs carriers. wow way to completely ignore my post have you ever played late game TvP? a large proportion of the damage a terran army takes isnt from direct attacks from zealots/goons, such as splash damage from tanks, mines, psi storms, and arbiter/carriers. armor helps against splash. armor helps against mines. armor helps against carriers/arbiters. these other unaccounted factors will reduce a tanks HP to a level other than 150, which undermines and devalues the importance of those calculations. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On November 10 2009 09:24 Divinek wrote: More upgrades is always better. I don't see a reason not to get it unless for some reason you have no gas at all. It is something to do with protoss does 500 damage per shot, so getting another armor for only 499 damage isn't going to do shit. *may be exaggeration. | ||
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Flash has near-perfect macro. He doesn't need anything to keep his mins/gas spent. However, for most relevant levels of play, you're not going to have perfect macro. You're going to get supply blocked, or miss a production round in late game. The third armor upgrade may not provide that much benefit, but it gets mins/gas spent. | ||
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