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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
November 09 2009 21:34 GMT
#1
I was in a little arguement on iccup about whether terrans get the 3rd armor upgrade in TvP. I swear I can remember reading or hearing something about Terran's not getting the 3rd armor upgrade in TvP because it wasn't worth the gas, unless the P went carriers.

I can't remember exactly why it was, but I think it had something to do with how it didn't effect how many hits it took goons to kill tanks when P was +3 attack, regardless of T's armor.

Am I just making this up, or what?

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mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
November 09 2009 21:38 GMT
#2
I think you should just stick to playing zerg.
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Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4642 Posts
November 09 2009 21:47 GMT
#3
Never heard the expression "rolling out with a 3-3 army"?
This neo violence, pure self defiance
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 21:56:13
November 09 2009 21:49 GMT
#4
whoever told you that is a giant newbie. always get the armor if you can.

most of the damage a terran army takes isnt even from goons late game.. its mostly from siege tank splash, mines and psi storms. then you have to factor in zealot damage, (which gets reduced greatly by armor upgrades as zealots hit twice) and arbiter/carrier damage, and then you're left with the remaining damage being dealt by goons.. goons are simply a proportion of the damage taken so you shouldn't justify not getting armor simply because "oh goons will still 7 shot tanks anyway even if i get armor.. so the armor doesn't make a difference" which is obviously a farce because siege tanks almost NEVER only take damage from goons. they take damage from multiple sources and the armor might end up keeping a tank alive at 1 hp etc..

tldr: siege tanks take damage from multiple sources, so your friend's reasoning is flawed.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 09 2009 21:53 GMT
#5
Replace argument with debate newb sounds so aggressive

(I was the one saying you usually get 3-3 o.o)
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 09 2009 21:59 GMT
#6
Well, you're right that it doesn't make a difference for goons vs tanks. A tank will fall to a +3 upgraded goon after 7 hits no matter whether or not its 2 armor upped or 3. I can't help but think that there's other uses for the extra hp though, zealots will take longer to kill the tank etc.
Always
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States376 Posts
November 09 2009 22:00 GMT
#7
On November 10 2009 06:49 lazz wrote:
whoever told you that is a giant newbie. always get the armor if you can.

most of the damage a terran army takes isnt even from goons late game.. its mostly from siege tank splash, mines and psi storms. then you have to factor in zealot damage, (which gets reduced greatly by armor upgrades as zealots hit twice) and arbiter/carrier damage, and then you're left with the remaining damage being dealt by goons.. goons are simply a proportion of the damage taken so you shouldn't justify not getting armor simply because "oh goons will still 7 shot tanks anyway even if i get armor.. so the armor doesn't make a difference" which is obviously a farce because siege tanks almost NEVER only take damage from goons. they take damage from multiple sources and the armor might end up keeping a tank alive at 1 hp etc..

tldr: siege tanks take damage from multiple sources, so your friend's reasoning is flawed.


actually dude, I think you meant that the TC's reasoning is flawed, since the TC is the one that thinks T doesn't need to get a 3rd armor upgrade unless the P is going carriers. just thought you might want to know to correct your otherwise legit post.

but yeah-- even if you took a lot of damage from goons, you can still assume that the p isn't matching you upgrade for upgrade. more armor = happier terran, I think. I haven't heard anything that says otherwise. I play T myself, and I feel like I would have remembered reading something like that.
"Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error." - Linus Pauling
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 22:13:33
November 09 2009 22:13 GMT
#8
IdrA didnt get third armor in the game vs G5 on destination that was uploaded recently, and Flash didn't get third armor in the rep of him vs backho iirc (both games lategame situations where they certainly had the gas)
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 09 2009 22:14 GMT
#9
I swear I can remember reading or hearing something about Terran's not getting the 3rd armor upgrade in TvP because it wasn't worth the gas, unless the P went carriers.


whoever told you that is a giant newbie. always get the armor if you can.


So I don't think there's anything wrong at all with lazz's post
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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
November 09 2009 22:52 GMT
#10
On November 10 2009 07:00 Always wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 06:49 lazz wrote:
whoever told you that is a giant newbie. always get the armor if you can.

most of the damage a terran army takes isnt even from goons late game.. its mostly from siege tank splash, mines and psi storms. then you have to factor in zealot damage, (which gets reduced greatly by armor upgrades as zealots hit twice) and arbiter/carrier damage, and then you're left with the remaining damage being dealt by goons.. goons are simply a proportion of the damage taken so you shouldn't justify not getting armor simply because "oh goons will still 7 shot tanks anyway even if i get armor.. so the armor doesn't make a difference" which is obviously a farce because siege tanks almost NEVER only take damage from goons. they take damage from multiple sources and the armor might end up keeping a tank alive at 1 hp etc..

tldr: siege tanks take damage from multiple sources, so your friend's reasoning is flawed.


actually dude, I think you meant that the TC's reasoning is flawed, since the TC is the one that thinks T doesn't need to get a 3rd armor upgrade unless the P is going carriers. just thought you might want to know to correct your otherwise legit post.

but yeah-- even if you took a lot of damage from goons, you can still assume that the p isn't matching you upgrade for upgrade. more armor = happier terran, I think. I haven't heard anything that says otherwise. I play T myself, and I feel like I would have remembered reading something like that.
I think I pretty clearly stated it wasn't my idea to not get the 3rd armor.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
SpriteLove
Profile Joined September 2008
United States226 Posts
November 09 2009 22:57 GMT
#11
On November 10 2009 06:38 Ziph wrote:
I think you should just stick to playing zerg.


this plz d:D
mG.SpriteLove
Toxic
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada233 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 23:00:52
November 09 2009 23:00 GMT
#12
Goon hits ||||||||||||||||| Zealot hits
2-3 150/23 = 6.52 7hits 150/18 = 8.33 9 hits
3-3 150/24 = 6.25 7hits 150/16 = 9.38 10 hits

So yeah, with just that i would say it doesn't make much of a difference. The only real benefit is vs carriers.
Yes.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
November 09 2009 23:12 GMT
#13
On November 10 2009 08:00 Toxic wrote:
Goon hits ||||||||||||||||| Zealot hits
2-3 150/23 = 6.52 7hits 150/18 = 8.33 9 hits
3-3 150/24 = 6.25 7hits 150/16 = 9.38 10 hits

So yeah, with just that i would say it doesn't make much of a difference. The only real benefit is vs carriers.


and the zealot hits doesn't really count because the majority of zealot damage on tanks is from splash.
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
November 09 2009 23:37 GMT
#14
Just get the upgrade. Don't you ever get excited when you see 3/3 on your units?
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SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
November 09 2009 23:37 GMT
#15
it doesnt hurt to upgrade....
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 00:07:20
November 09 2009 23:58 GMT
#16
On November 10 2009 08:00 Toxic wrote:
Goon hits ||||||||||||||||| Zealot hits
2-3 150/23 = 6.52 7hits 150/18 = 8.33 9 hits
3-3 150/24 = 6.25 7hits 150/16 = 9.38 10 hits

So yeah, with just that i would say it doesn't make much of a difference. The only real benefit is vs carriers.


wow way to completely ignore my post

have you ever played late game TvP? a large proportion of the damage a terran army takes isnt from direct attacks from zealots/goons, such as splash damage from tanks, mines, psi storms, and arbiter/carriers. armor helps against splash. armor helps against mines. armor helps against carriers/arbiters. these other unaccounted factors will reduce a tanks HP to a level other than 150, which undermines and devalues the importance of those calculations.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
November 10 2009 00:04 GMT
#17
Actually alot of pro terrans don't get 3-3 and stick on 3-2. I think it's probably a good thing to get 3-3 in most cases, but I doubt it makes much difference.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
November 10 2009 00:24 GMT
#18
More upgrades is always better. I don't see a reason not to get it unless for some reason you have no gas at all.
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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
November 10 2009 00:49 GMT
#19
On November 10 2009 09:24 Divinek wrote:
More upgrades is always better. I don't see a reason not to get it unless for some reason you have no gas at all.


It is something to do with protoss does 500 damage per shot, so getting another armor for only 499 damage isn't going to do shit.

*may be exaggeration.
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Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
November 10 2009 01:07 GMT
#20
I've seen this alot too in pro games terrans usually only get 3-2. Just like how pro protoss usually only upgrade 2nd armor then 1st shield instead of 3rd armor and usually stop there. Really though if it's late enough in the game i see no reason no to get that extra upgrade.
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