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Gnarly
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States151 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 07:18:46
October 18 2009 07:02 GMT
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vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 07:16:33
October 18 2009 07:13 GMT
#2
In all honestly.. If the protoss player your facing.. went for a DT rush and then has TWO count umm TWO shuttles *hopefully with reavers?* then id say the guy hacks thats alot of tech off one base..

If its any other units than reavers in the TWO shuttles.. doesnt matter snipe the shuttles even if u dont your army is better you didnt waste 400 precious minerals in a mirror m/u on shuttles..

Secondly after this odd fast as fuck tech.. why the fuck do you have 2 reavers and no shuttle.. unrealistic because shuttle comes before the first reaver unless u seriously blow. Now since you have the shuttle and reaver you should be harrasing his mineral lines and hoping for some probe kills.

keep 2 goons by main min line with 1 obs for a possible dt drop. keep ur army at your choke with an obs to get the dt if he tries to just walk into your base.

After killing whatever the fuck he had in those TWO shuttles pressure his base.. doesnt matter if u lose ur units you expo'd and he went for a templar archives/ citadel of adun / and robo.. and TWO shuttles.. he should have jack shit pretty much and it should be GG.. if its not

its 2 base to one and only a complete noob can fuck up the game at this point.

Honestly unrealistic as fuck question.
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SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
October 18 2009 07:16 GMT
#3
I would write a blog about it.
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Gnarly
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States151 Posts
October 18 2009 07:18 GMT
#4
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
October 18 2009 07:19 GMT
#5
You mindcontrol the shuttles so your reavers don't have to crawl.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 18 2009 07:24 GMT
#6
go back and defend because he's probably a bad player
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 18 2009 07:59 GMT
#7
lol? you kill the drop then kill him. Also sounds like your scouting is kind of poor. Do you know if he has an expansion? If he doesn't why are you even moving out of your base? There's absolutely no reason to leave your base in a pvp until you're ready to kill him, which should be very easy considering you have a huge army lead if he went dt and shuttles
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 18 2009 08:01 GMT
#8
why don't you just post a replay or explain what happened because your description is pretty terrible
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
October 18 2009 08:07 GMT
#9
I believe the correct way to phrase it is "What would you do?"
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 08:09:39
October 18 2009 08:09 GMT
#10
On October 18 2009 17:07 resonance wrote:
I believe the correct way to phrase it is "What would you do?"


Its best to ask "what would jesus do" because only he can defend a 2 shuttle drop.
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Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
October 18 2009 08:11 GMT
#11
On October 18 2009 17:09 Slaughter wrote:
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On October 18 2009 17:07 resonance wrote:
I believe the correct way to phrase it is "What would you do?"


Its best to ask "what would jesus do" because only he can defend a 2 shuttle drop.


lol good one
sYz-Adrenaline
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 08:18:50
October 18 2009 08:18 GMT
#12
I would of had 2-3 goons at home to protect from drop anyways

hopefully pick off one shuttle and send army back and drop the reavers :o
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Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
October 18 2009 08:31 GMT
#13
Vrook covered it pretty well but I'll add 2 things.

1. I would just camp at my base with goons around mineral lines until i had a shuttle to harass with ( why the fuck wouldn't i have a shuttle at this point unless somehow the enemy's second shuttle is mine and he MC'd it.)

2. I would easily defend dt drop seeing how i went goons and robo and his DT attack is so late because not only did he make templar tech he made robo tech and 2 shuttles so thats a fucking long time before his shuttles come. After easily defending the DT drop i would type "LOL" and then i would go on to type "you must be the guy who wrote in the strategy forum about going hallucinate PvP. Nope this strat didn't work either keep trying"
meow
Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
October 18 2009 08:31 GMT
#14
> Send your Shuttles with Reavers alone for counter-harass.
> Order your Observer to chase enemy Shuttles.
> Back off 2-4 Goons to deal with Shuttles.
> Scout around for proxy Robo.

He probably invested fortune in tech, so I guess sneaking Shuttles to his base for harass will be quite easy. If he went for DT you need that Obs close to his Shuttles and just couple of units to deal with whatever he drops. When you are sure you scouted his base completely without seeing Robo, look for proxy. Also, he might got some kind of ninja expo, so maybe you should look for it as well.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
October 18 2009 10:02 GMT
#15
Looks like an all or nothing attack with mass DTs, i.e an 8 DT drop. Getting to DTs, as well as reavers when you've only got 2 reavers + a shuttle and some obs doesn't seem feasible, and the fact that he has been so covert about everything indicates a cheese strat. If it's a mass dt/rest of his army drop I'll keep my reavers at home with my obs just to see if he's going to drop you. If it's DTs the reavers can easily take care of them, and if it's reavers you'll be able to reaver micro until your goons get in. His army can't be big so once you defend you'll be able to either reaver harass and expo or even just expo and keep defending from harass.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
October 18 2009 10:45 GMT
#16
Alt+Q+Q before I die to a 4 Dark Archon drop.
No I'm never serious.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
October 18 2009 14:13 GMT
#17
copycat
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Gnarly
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States151 Posts
October 18 2009 16:33 GMT
#18
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Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 18:27:45
October 18 2009 18:23 GMT
#19
On October 19 2009 01:33 Gnarly wrote:
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On October 18 2009 16:59 BlackJack wrote:
lol? you kill the drop then kill him. Also sounds like your scouting is kind of poor. Do you know if he has an expansion? If he doesn't why are you even moving out of your base? There's absolutely no reason to leave your base in a pvp until you're ready to kill him, which should be very easy considering you have a huge army lead if he went dt and shuttles


This was typed up a bit high, and I know some details aren't covered, but I will probably fix that. But no, there is no expo. You're moving out of your base to expand yourself, now that you have obs.

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On October 18 2009 17:01 BlackJack wrote:
why don't you just post a replay or explain what happened because your description is pretty terrible


I'm still trying to figure out some more details before I put it into play.

What I believe can happen by the 7-8 minute mark, I know it's a full minute, but numbers aren't down yet, is to have 3 shuttles out, but one real shuttle. I opened with DT, but I'm thinking about putting it to one gate, to help speed things up. I should also put that there is 4 probes on the gas, to bring in gas just that much faster.


4 probes does not make you mine gas faster unless it's a certain map. Most maps these days 3 probes can sufficiently mine a gas as fast as possible. Having 4 would make no difference.

On October 19 2009 01:33 Gnarly wrote:

It's basically a three point attack at the same time, but since it's so early, that's just not possible.

The best answer here would be to just straight up go for it and kill me. You may have to deal with 2 fake shuttles absorbing some fire, but one may still not suspect hallucinations. Since I didn't expand, I have a ramp to help me out immensely.

Part of the reason for my army moving out is to try to snipe any counter harass as well as provide a fake front.


I dunno, I was watching some replays for timings last night, seems like a complex idea, but I don't even know if timings would allow this with other builds yet.


The best answer here would be to camp with your goons for a few extra seconds while you send your obs out to scout and your reavers to drop harass. I can kill at least 5 dragoons with range with 2 reavers and a shuttle, and with your build i would assume you can't possibly have 5 goons with range since the tech route you chose plus 2 shuttles.

If your going to do a 3 pronged attack that involves shuttles and deception, why not just use a standard reaver build and go 2 shuttles. Why would you want to drop DT instead of reaver. 1 DT can't do shit especially if the opponent has goons / obs.
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Gnarly
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States151 Posts
October 19 2009 01:57 GMT
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vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
October 19 2009 02:17 GMT
#21
On October 18 2009 17:31 Probe. wrote:
"you must be the guy who wrote in the strategy forum about going hallucinate PvP. Nope this strat didn't work either keep trying"


LOLOL
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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
October 19 2009 03:07 GMT
#22
Getting hallucination in a PvP is the worst thing you could possibly do. Ill bet you 500$ that I can beat you 5 times in a row if you do that just by macroing. Are you seriously considering using a build with hallucination? you cant win its too much.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
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