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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-29 23:52:29
September 29 2009 23:50 GMT
#21
On September 30 2009 05:10 caldo149 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2009 03:11 EsX_Raptor wrote:
caldo is right, that's the answer.

edit: you made me think, you clearly state there is no smallest positive real number while i (somewhat) state there is always a smaller number (which also means there is no smallest one). I guess they're somewhat equivalent?

My fixed version should be:

∀x∈R ∃(y>0)∈R (y<x)

Any thoughts?

I think that your expression would be equally valid if you stated x>0, otherwise i can think of examples that make it false easily. With that quick fix though, our solutions both imply the same things and solve the given problem. I was just a bit more literal with my "translation."

Oh I see, didn't notice that! Thank you for your response n_n this had me confused for a while haha

edit: for those who say math sucks, you haven't really gotten well into it! It can get pretty fascinating after a while
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
September 30 2009 01:38 GMT
#22
Ahh can't wait to get to modern algebra..
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United States12815 Posts
September 30 2009 01:47 GMT
#23
you are right.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
September 30 2009 07:33 GMT
#24
On September 30 2009 08:31 Papvin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2009 06:25 IMlemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2009 03:11 EsX_Raptor wrote:
caldo is right, that's the answer.

edit: you made me think, you clearly state there is no smallest positive real number while i (somewhat) state there is always a smaller number (which also means there is no smallest one). I guess they're somewhat equivalent?

My fixed version should be:

∀x∈R ∃(y>0)∈R (y<x)

Any thoughts?


Problem with this, is that it's not a valid formula in mathematical logic. Can you use predicates? If so, something like this would do.

P(x) - number is real
R(x) - number is positive
Q(x,y) - y is smaller than x

F = ∀x∃y (P(x) /\ P(y) /\ R(x) /\ R(y) /\ Q(x,y))

^True if x is positive and real, false otherwise. y must be kept in check too.

If you can't use predicates, im kinda out of ideas how to express it precisely. To state that x ∈ R you'd have to write out all of the real numbers' properties.

Instead of your F, setting R+ to the set of real (strictly) positive numbers, wouldn't it suffice to write
F = ∀x∈R+∃y∈R+:y<x?
Or are you speaking of stricly formal mathematical language, where nothing is left to the intuition?


I assume OP wanted to get a valid formula. Thingies caldo wrote above aren't legit. If you compare that to equations, it would be the same thing as writing, say " = x(x > 9) , sqrt (3 < y)". While it's obvious what you mean, it's wrong in mathematical (gay) sense.

Math gets stupidly abstract and boring really fast.
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