• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:28
CEST 22:28
KST 05:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy2[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Yamato Cup Series
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr -> DragOn vs StRyKeR [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10484 users

help with algebra :( - Page 2

Blogs > Mr.Maestro
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-29 23:52:29
September 29 2009 23:50 GMT
#21
On September 30 2009 05:10 caldo149 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2009 03:11 EsX_Raptor wrote:
caldo is right, that's the answer.

edit: you made me think, you clearly state there is no smallest positive real number while i (somewhat) state there is always a smaller number (which also means there is no smallest one). I guess they're somewhat equivalent?

My fixed version should be:

∀x∈R ∃(y>0)∈R (y<x)

Any thoughts?

I think that your expression would be equally valid if you stated x>0, otherwise i can think of examples that make it false easily. With that quick fix though, our solutions both imply the same things and solve the given problem. I was just a bit more literal with my "translation."

Oh I see, didn't notice that! Thank you for your response n_n this had me confused for a while haha

edit: for those who say math sucks, you haven't really gotten well into it! It can get pretty fascinating after a while
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
September 30 2009 01:38 GMT
#22
Ahh can't wait to get to modern algebra..
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12804 Posts
September 30 2009 01:47 GMT
#23
you are right.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
September 30 2009 07:33 GMT
#24
On September 30 2009 08:31 Papvin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2009 06:25 IMlemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2009 03:11 EsX_Raptor wrote:
caldo is right, that's the answer.

edit: you made me think, you clearly state there is no smallest positive real number while i (somewhat) state there is always a smaller number (which also means there is no smallest one). I guess they're somewhat equivalent?

My fixed version should be:

∀x∈R ∃(y>0)∈R (y<x)

Any thoughts?


Problem with this, is that it's not a valid formula in mathematical logic. Can you use predicates? If so, something like this would do.

P(x) - number is real
R(x) - number is positive
Q(x,y) - y is smaller than x

F = ∀x∃y (P(x) /\ P(y) /\ R(x) /\ R(y) /\ Q(x,y))

^True if x is positive and real, false otherwise. y must be kept in check too.

If you can't use predicates, im kinda out of ideas how to express it precisely. To state that x ∈ R you'd have to write out all of the real numbers' properties.

Instead of your F, setting R+ to the set of real (strictly) positive numbers, wouldn't it suffice to write
F = ∀x∈R+∃y∈R+:y<x?
Or are you speaking of stricly formal mathematical language, where nothing is left to the intuition?


I assume OP wanted to get a valid formula. Thingies caldo wrote above aren't legit. If you compare that to equations, it would be the same thing as writing, say " = x(x > 9) , sqrt (3 < y)". While it's obvious what you mean, it's wrong in mathematical (gay) sense.

Math gets stupidly abstract and boring really fast.
My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
S23 - Announcement Showmatch
Ret vs TerrOr
DragOn vs StRyKeR
ZZZero.O215
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 524
ProTech146
-ZergGirl 64
JuggernautJason33
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 532
ZZZero.O 215
Dewaltoss 121
Trap 50
soO 18
zelot 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever189
febbydoto9
League of Legends
Doublelift2396
JimRising 165
Counter-Strike
fl0m898
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu696
Khaldor306
Other Games
Grubby3801
FrodaN2939
Liquid`RaSZi2433
summit1g767
B2W.Neo694
KnowMe202
XaKoH 174
ArmadaUGS135
Pyrionflax134
ZombieGrub70
CosmosSc2 26
Railgan24
Mew2King15
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile125
• Reevou 9
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2488
League of Legends
• Shiphtur218
Other Games
• imaqtpie698
• Scarra584
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 32m
Afreeca Starleague
13h 32m
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
14h 32m
Monday Night Weeklies
19h 32m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 13h
Light vs EffOrt
OSC
1d 15h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
GSL
6 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

K-JUNGMAN
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.