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On March 27 2010 20:13 Boblion wrote:Just bumping this for the lulz. 27/03/2010 The new Nvidia cards have been released ! Performances seem to be decent but price isn't. Also being 6+ months late doesn't help. Show nested quote +On October 04 2009 18:58 Saddened Izzy wrote:
Anyways way pay 400 bucks on a 5870 when the GT300 could crush it in a few months it's like the bitches who bought a 2900HD from ATI then got their ass rolled and handed to them from the G80 and G92 i'm a skeptic of nvidia due to it fucks up PR so many times so i'm not stupid i don't buy cards until it's worth it in this case when DX11 has enough of a hold to actually mean anything and when windows 7 is actually out, and also until i have a card to compete with it.
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Also 300 or 400 bucks to throw down to get a 5850 or 5870 is not too expensive to get?
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Hell if I'm going beyond the point of reason to buy a graphics card the 250 dollar mark i might as well get the best of the season then wait it out a few years.
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rant rant rant FOAM1231d;hja loool
If you do alot of photoshop at a professional level and do alot of compiling of machine code type things that can take awhile to run and folding at home it's actually still pretty good. I mean it's not as bad as ATI's 2600's that ran hot and underperformed so ATI had to sell the cards cheap, these cards run hot but perform on bar and a bit better so the cost a bit more.
I'm looking forward to the refresh that would be a better yeilding chip with better gate control in about a year. A true fermi not all these crippled chips, even the 480 isn't a complete chip has 1 sm disabled telling us they made a chip that is too hard to make currently.
It's a good gaming chip and one hell of a gpgpu chip in terms of raw gaming not so much worth it, the 470 but dual 480's would still be a best buy nvidia's sli is far greater in performance gains then ATI's crossfire making it probably a better choice for the 3 monitor 3d x32 CSAA glory you just blew all your money down.
super high end they still have the market but for the lot of us the card just looks bad for the price.
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On March 28 2010 03:18 Sadistx wrote:
These cards would have been decent if they launched approximately at the same time, like gtx 280 and 4870, but since Nvidia is so late, they were expected to show more serious performance gains, and not 5-10% over 5870, while consuming flat out 50% more power.
Lol you can afford throwing down 500 bucks for a gpu but you can't afford the 50-100 dollars extra a year depending where you live. The idle power is still very low for the card it's just the max draw is surprisingly high.
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enjoy burning everything in your case with the exposed heatsink that reaches 80C LOL!
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Closer to 90 C actually not mention space shuttle launch fan loudness under load.
The cards are under-performing horribly due to the time of the launch. People are guessing that the delays and shit were due to nVidia trying do "stealth" OCs on these cards when it became obvious it wasn't standing up toe to toe with ATI's tops.
The good news for nVidia fanboys is that it doesn't seem like this card is the defining card of this generation unlike the previous launch cards, it's not completely using all of its abilities yet.
The problem is that ATI is stretching into multicores already with better results of this nVidia release so nVidia once again is playing catch up.
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On March 28 2010 05:18 mahnini wrote:
enjoy burning everything in your case with the exposed heatsink that reaches 80C LOL!
That doesn't even matter... the 5870 and 5850 and 5970 and the new 5770 are not exclusive to venting out of the case, all those cards vent in case and all reach high temps. Just get a decent case
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On March 28 2010 07:13 Judicator wrote:
Closer to 90 C actually not mention space shuttle launch fan loudness under load.
The cards are under-performing horribly due to the time of the launch. People are guessing that the delays and shit were due to nVidia trying do "stealth" OCs on these cards when it became obvious it wasn't standing up toe to toe with ATI's tops.
The good news for nVidia fanboys is that it doesn't seem like this card is the defining card of this generation unlike the previous launch cards, it's not completely using all of its abilities yet.
The problem is that ATI is stretching into multicores already with better results of this nVidia release so nVidia once again is playing catch up.
On avg it's closer to 80c under load only under futuremark a power vampire that task a card 100% does the high draw power comes into play and the high heat.
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On March 28 2010 07:30 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 05:18 mahnini wrote:
enjoy burning everything in your case with the exposed heatsink that reaches 80C LOL! That doesn't even matter... the 5870 and 5850 and 5970 and the new 5770 are not exclusive to venting out of the case, all those cards vent in case and all reach high temps. Just get a decent case
that's not true, the reference cooler for 5850 / 5870 all vent outside of the case the 5770 might not but it runs a lot cooler than these higher end cards. the gtx 480 on the other hand has part of its heatsink exposed outside of the shroud and probably takes up half the surface of the card. it's not that big of a deal since people buying high end cards need huge cases to fit them anyway but it's still funny.
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On March 28 2010 07:47 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 07:30 semantics wrote:On March 28 2010 05:18 mahnini wrote:
enjoy burning everything in your case with the exposed heatsink that reaches 80C LOL! That doesn't even matter... the 5870 and 5850 and 5970 and the new 5770 are not exclusive to venting out of the case, all those cards vent in case and all reach high temps. Just get a decent case that's not true, the reference cooler for 5850 / 5870 all vent outside of the case the 5770 might not but it runs a lot cooler than these higher end cards. the gtx 480 on the other hand has part of its heatsink exposed outside of the shroud and probably takes up half the surface of the card. it's not that big of a deal since people buying high end cards need huge cases to fit them anyway but it's still funny.
No the 5870 vents into the case i'm not to sure on the 5850 but i know the 5870 vents into the case.
Imma have to dig up a review
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422-21.html
"throttle, dip back to 99, and then hop back up to 100. What you really need to be careful with in a closed case, though, is a rising ambient. The Radeon HD 5870’s decked-out bracket doesn’t have a full slot’s worth of ventilation anymore, so half of the card’s air actually blows out the top back into your chassis."
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/09/30/ati-radeon-hd-5870-architecture-analysis/3
Not all of the warm air is blown directly out of the chassis though, as there are some vents along the top of the heatsink shroud (in the red plastic portions, for example). Again, there's channeling on the underside of the shroud to ensure that air is ushered in the right direction.
Judging by the size of the vents on the top edge of the shroud and feeling around the area for airflow, we believe that no more than a third of the exhausted air goes back into the chassis
Overall it is not that much of a deal as most people who throw down 500 for a card can throw down 100 for a case that doesn't suck and some cable management.
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The big difference about the HD5800 series and what we've seen of Fermi is that unlike Fermi, how the HD5800 blows heat out doesn't really matter since they're really quiet and cool cards anyway unless you're trying to kill them in Furmark. The 5870 in particular gets quite noisy at temperatures it probably won't ever reach except in stress tests but it doesn't even get close to how fucking loud the current Fermi cards are.
On March 28 2010 08:51 Pakje wrote:this is basically fermi
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/7
Its a fucking leafblower.
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God some of the reviewer sites have the sound as 40dB others have it fairly silent -_-
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The only site that has pretty much said that these cards are quiet is Guru3D. Everyone else has been disappointed with its PSU demands, heat, and noise.
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yeah, but Guru3D also has one of the best series of benchmarks :/
Admittedly I have only checked Guru3D, Tom's, and Anandtech.
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I checked several sites the one saying the card is like a leafblower don't really seem to have valid test.
HardOPC for example is using a dB rating not a dBA rating to take into account how we hear. They also did their test 6 inches away from the card... do you play with your ears 6 inches away from the card
3d guru used a certified dBA tester at 30 inches away from the pc and at a closed set up. Like most of us, and even take into consideration that most people are closer to 36-48 inches away from the card when the PC is on the ground instead of a set up with it on your desk.
Most of us run a closed case not an open benchmarking rack.
And 3d guru is one of the premier sites in terms of journalism while reviewing.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/13
"Ever since the release today of the GeForce GTX 400 series there has been much discussion regarding the noise levels the cards make under load. Especially the GTX 480 is topic of much discussion. Some sites show numbers up in the 60 to 70 DBa, which honestly just isn't right.
What happens is that people measure differently and often subjectively. If you place a DBa gun a CM away from the graphics card ventilator then sure, you record really high noise levels. But if you play games, do you place your ear directly on the air exhaust ? Of course not, that just does not make sense to us.
We measure real-life conditions. That means we take a distance of 75cm from the PC and place a DBa gun pointed at the PC. We assume your PC chassis is closed and not open, so is ours. Now to proof to you that the GTX 480 is noisy, but definitely not what some media make it claim to be I made two video's of the GTX 480 in idle and under heavy stress with Furmark.
The end result is A PC creating roughly as much noise as say a GeForce GTX 295. And again, we are not disputing that this isn't noisy, contrary .. it is noisy alright. But to say it's at a the level of 60~70 DBa makes no sense
Have a look and listen to the videos.
Above video shows the GeForce GTX 480 in IDLE = ~ 37 DBa.
Above video shows the GeForce GTX 480 heavily stressed with Furmark = ~ 45 DBa
And that my friends is how we measure. We are not saying that other websites are wrong in their measurements, no Sir. We measure in a real-life situation, and that's roughly the distance where your ears are positioned.
There is one more note I like to make, some sites made videos of the noise levels as well, and it is banging noisy. Just like our video, a video camera will always compensate and increase microphone levels when needed. Making that recording sound out of proportion.
Add to that this, if the only sound recorded is the noise of the PC, at what volume should you play it back to be able to have that volume level representative of what the noise levels really are ?."
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On March 28 2010 11:50 FragKrag wrote:
yeah, but Guru3D also has one of the best series of benchmarks :/
Admittedly I have only checked Guru3D, Tom's, and Anandtech.
3d guru said that it was loud compared to the other cards but nothing to complain about. Tom's I do not remember them taking noise levels or anything but they did comment about it being louder then the rest but not a big difference.
I have yet to read anandtech for some reason I have read hexus but not anandtech lol. But maybe that because i think anandtech writers like AMD too much.
It's not that i do not want to read all the reviews it's just that each review is so freakin extensive usually 20 pages worth of material that's I've only been doing like 1 article every once and awhile when i have free time.
If i read them all back to back i'd be skimming becuase i'm like "yeah yeah yeah i've been over how the arch is and it's features 100 times already"
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Yeah, I like the way Guru3D does their benchmarks. They easily have the most complete and probably accurate benchmarks out there. Usually trust what they say without much after thought.
Usually the first place I check because their benches are always so thorough. <3 Guru3D
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lol, I laughed at those quite a bit 
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On March 28 2010 12:12 semantics wrote:I checked several sites the one saying the card is like a leafblower don't really seem to have valid test. HardOPC for example is using a dB rating not a dBA rating to take into account how we hear. They also did their test 6 inches away from the card... do you play with your ears 6 inches away from the card 3d guru used a certified dBA tester at 30 inches away from the pc and at a closed set up. Like most of us, and even take into consideration that most people are closer to 36-48 inches away from the card when the PC is on the ground instead of a set up with it on your desk. Most of us run a closed case not an open benchmarking rack. And 3d guru is one of the premier sites in terms of journalism while reviewing. http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/13Show nested quote +
"Ever since the release today of the GeForce GTX 400 series there has been much discussion regarding the noise levels the cards make under load. Especially the GTX 480 is topic of much discussion. Some sites show numbers up in the 60 to 70 DBa, which honestly just isn't right.
What happens is that people measure differently and often subjectively. If you place a DBa gun a CM away from the graphics card ventilator then sure, you record really high noise levels. But if you play games, do you place your ear directly on the air exhaust ? Of course not, that just does not make sense to us.
We measure real-life conditions. That means we take a distance of 75cm from the PC and place a DBa gun pointed at the PC. We assume your PC chassis is closed and not open, so is ours. Now to proof to you that the GTX 480 is noisy, but definitely not what some media make it claim to be I made two video's of the GTX 480 in idle and under heavy stress with Furmark.
The end result is A PC creating roughly as much noise as say a GeForce GTX 295. And again, we are not disputing that this isn't noisy, contrary .. it is noisy alright. But to say it's at a the level of 60~70 DBa makes no sense
Have a look and listen to the videos.
Above video shows the GeForce GTX 480 in IDLE = ~ 37 DBa.
Above video shows the GeForce GTX 480 heavily stressed with Furmark = ~ 45 DBa
And that my friends is how we measure. We are not saying that other websites are wrong in their measurements, no Sir. We measure in a real-life situation, and that's roughly the distance where your ears are positioned.
There is one more note I like to make, some sites made videos of the noise levels as well, and it is banging noisy. Just like our video, a video camera will always compensate and increase microphone levels when needed. Making that recording sound out of proportion.
Add to that this, if the only sound recorded is the noise of the PC, at what volume should you play it back to be able to have that volume level representative of what the noise levels really are ?."
It doesn't matter how they justify the noise...when its roughly as loud as a GTX295, it noise is just unacceptable. Not to mention the heat its producing is going to make everything else in the case scream in pain in the process.
The open bench is simply a method of comparing how noisy this card is compared to all other cards. I don't really care about the numbers because its such a sensitive thing to test and the numbers can be shifted around thanks to ad money. If 3DGuru didn't attempt to defend the GTX480 and simply fill their review with every synonym for "amazing" they could find, I'd be more inclined to trust their review over everyone else.
Of course every website has a different set of criteria for testing hardware and thus you get different opinions. 3DGuru seem to generally care about raw performance (stuff like putting aside the NZXT Whisper's horrid build quality and the horrible efficiency of the GTX295 suggests this to me) which is fine but that's generally not what other websites are looking at hence the difference in opinion. I don't think anyone can deny that the Fermi cards are the current cards to buy if you want to run the most graphically intensive games but I think its a bit shallow to only care about graphical power in a video card.
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Whether or not you look at the numbers, recording in an open environment a couple inches away from the card is not going to give you accurate results.
Anyways, I look forward to what the partners can do with nonreference coolers because the reference one is disappointing.
Aside from the power consumption, the most disappoint part of fermi (imo) was the limited display options. Only HDMI and DVI while ATi offers display port 
Edit: As for sound, Overclockersclub and Guru3D seem to agree that 70% fan speed is decently quiet.
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