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I know this is TL. I know you all are more intelligent than this.
However, it doesn't help anything when I do end up arguing with non-Americans who do think of America like this. This is just my way of taking out some frustration after long and somewhat drunken political "discussion" with a Scot last night. He wouldn't let me talk and his questions always kept coming back to, "Why do you not think Obama is the second coming of (insert deity/prophet/genius/Enlightened One here)," and then not letting me answer.
Oh well.
EDIT: Also the one problem with kupax is that it's insanely hard to find the direct links for your files.
  
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The map is somewhat accurate for me, I must admit. Probably as much correct as those "how America sees the World" maps you certainly know.
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Yeah this is quite ridiculous. People have a fucked up view of America as a whole.
Alot of europeans are very ignorant and don't even realize it. Way to generalize you commies
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hmmm looks about right to me.. really difficult to explain the west coast to non americans..its just different in every area..
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
pretty likely this is also how even americans in the blue region of the map see this country too, maybe with illinois (chicago, i just don't want to be a red!) and michigan tossed in there! really though, yeah a lot of the things northerners say about the rest of the US is in jest, but a lot of it also isn't.
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On September 12 2009 19:46 intrigue wrote:
pretty likely this is also how even americans in the blue region of the map see this country too, maybe with illinois (chicago) and michigan tossed in there.
michigan represent
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the west side of our state is definately not blue though.
North of Lansing pretty much too =[
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Yeah... you pretty much got it right, but I'm ashamed to admit it. I lived in the U.S. (Virginia, Alexandria, close to D.C.) for 3 years and thats how I see the U.S.... maybe add to blue Florida and most of Michigan.
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I think the map puts the correct portion of michigan in the blue section imo ;d
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On September 12 2009 19:40 disco wrote:
lol
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See, the very problem is that you think it's the same to not know shit about america, and not know shit about the world.
Who cares about America.
Can you name 3 regions that make at least some sense, just like in the pic in the op, of Germany? Italy? Japan?
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On September 12 2009 20:15 niteReloaded wrote:
See, the very problem is that you think it's the same to not know shit about america, and not know shit about the world.
Who cares about America.
Can you name 3 regions that make at least some sense, just like in the pic in the op, of Germany? Italy? Japan?
I'm not sure what your problem is. It's not like this is a serious thread - I specifically stated I'm just blowing off steam.
But hey, they're kind of fun to do, so here's a couple more:
Here's Italy:
Here's China:
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disco is so right. Just add "shisha comes from here" to the middle east.
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England2657 Posts
On September 12 2009 19:40 disco wrote:
I like how Africa isn't even on that map.
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United States42179 Posts
If you ain't in the pink I don't wanna know.
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That's what you get for having a drunken political discussion with someone from Scotland lol.
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Seems like a pretty accurate stereotype, except it's "racist religious gun-loving hicks" in the "south" and the northern part is mostly "don't know or care".
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The west coast of USA is a very very strange place.
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If I made a backpack traveling in the USA like whole summer or something, which places I should visit?
Asking USA citizens here
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On September 12 2009 19:46 intrigue wrote:
pretty likely this is also how even americans in the blue region of the map see this country too, maybe with illinois (chicago, i just don't want to be a red!) and michigan tossed in there! really though, yeah a lot of the things northerners say about the rest of the US is in jest, but a lot of it also isn't.
The blue barely creeps into the 1% of NE Illinois that contains chicago.
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Korea (South)11570 Posts
On September 12 2009 23:23 freelander wrote:
If I made a backpack traveling in the USA like whole summer or something, which places I should visit?
Asking USA citizens here
Las Vegas, New York City, Miami, Washington DC, Las Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia.
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On September 12 2009 19:29 Musoeun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I know this is TL. I know you all are more intelligent than this. However, it doesn't help anything when I do end up arguing with non-Americans who do think of America like this.
It has nothing to do with intelligence. This is precisely what the US is like.
You've basically drawn voting patterns for the last three elections, so I would venture that more like-minded people are in the centre states, and different like-minded people are on the fringes.
The rest of the world sees those voting pictures, too.
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On September 12 2009 20:15 niteReloaded wrote:
See, the very problem is that you think it's the same to not know shit about america, and not know shit about the world.
Who cares about America.
Can you name 3 regions that make at least some sense, just like in the pic in the op, of Germany? Italy? Japan?
Yeah um America is hugely important though, just like other super nations. Also, alot of culture; music, movies etc comes from the USA. So why are you talking like that?
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On September 12 2009 21:29 Kwark wrote:If you ain't in the pink I don't wanna know.
lol ya the British empire was fucking big
I read Tai-Pan recently. I think that period in history is interesting and I would like to read more stuff about the british empire
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United States24612 Posts
On September 12 2009 23:55 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2009 23:23 freelander wrote:
If I made a backpack traveling in the USA like whole summer or something, which places I should visit?
Asking USA citizens here Las Vegas, New York City, Miami, Washington DC, Las Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia.
Good luck backpacking several of those things in one summer lol
USA is very big!
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On September 12 2009 19:29 Musoeun wrote:He wouldn't let me talk and his questions always kept coming back to, "Why do you not think Obama is the second coming of (insert deity/prophet/genius/Enlightened One here)," and then not letting me answer.
Funny. I am a non-American and I consider Obama (just like the US presidents before him) to be the coming of the next Roman emperor. There are differences of opinion about Obama even outside the US.
Personally, I am not one to generalise about Americans, since I have encountered Americans of various intelligence and wisdom. However, there are certain beliefs in the US that even force me (as well as other Europeans) to raise an eyebrow. For example, a lot of Americans believe that "nationalised health care = socialism". Yet, there are many countries in Europe that have nationalised health care (if not all of them), including a lot of countries that never experienced socialism, and I would hardly be able to call them socialist states.
Having said that, the US is hardly the only place with weird or bizzare beliefs. In South Korea, many people believe that having an electric fan turned on overnight in a closed room will kill you, even though medical experts have proven this belief to be false.
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WTF
I live in Georgia and I know very few Gun Loving Hicks.
I actually know a lot of intelligent and respectable people.
Fuck this map, even if its a fucking joke.
EVERYONE WITH FUCKING STEREOTYPES
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
On September 12 2009 19:46 intrigue wrote:
pretty likely this is also how even americans in the blue region of the map see this country too,
so true
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I live in the blue region and IMO this is pretty true.
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On September 12 2009 21:16 Flicky wrote:I like how Africa isn't even on that map.
Truth be told, I think less than 0.0001% of the population outside of Africa gives a shit what happens inside Africa. One of the most devastating genocides in the history of mankind happened back in the mid 1990's and almost nobody even knows of it. :/
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On September 13 2009 01:49 dhe95 wrote:
I live in the blue region and IMO this is pretty true.
IMO you're retarded.
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The OP map is not accurate it all..if it was then everyone else in the world would be screwed. Most Americans are moderate and that BLUE / RED ideological polarizing map was propaganda for 2000/2004 elections. In reality the whole map would be "purple", with some patches of red in the deep south and some even smaller patches of blue near San Francisco and the New England States.
Even most Americans are deeply misinformed about this because that blue/red map was such a strong theme ( but a deceptive one ) during recent presidential elections. The extremists on either end of the political spectrum realized it would help their respective campaigns to polarize the country as much as possible.
Consider a voter who is a moderate republican, but not adamantly conservative. Now consider a voter who is a neo conservative / religious / gun-touting individual. The idea was that both would vote for a strongly conservative candidate, but only the moderate conservative would vote for a moderately conservative candidate, while the neoconservative would be upset by the moderate values of the moderate candidate (neo cons don't have any sense of pluralism because of the religious doctrine they uphold). Then there would be party division and possibly more than 1 conservative candidate. That's what happened in 2000 when Nader detracted enough votes from Al Gore to loose the democrats the election, and so ensued the reign of Bush.
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On September 12 2009 21:16 Flicky wrote:
I like how Africa isn't even on that map.
because americans are politically correct
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yea w.e we're still the best lolol suck it
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On September 13 2009 01:27 gumbum8 wrote:
WTF
I live in Georgia and I know very few Gun Loving Hicks.
I actually know a lot of intelligent and respectable people.
Fuck this map, even if its a fucking joke.
EVERYONE WITH FUCKING STEREOTYPES
Do you live in/around Atlanta? From what I've seen it's the exception to the stereotype in Georgia. :p
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On September 13 2009 01:27 gumbum8 wrote:
WTF
I live in Georgia and I know very few Gun Loving Hicks.
I actually know a lot of intelligent and respectable people.
Fuck this map, even if its a fucking joke.
EVERYONE WITH FUCKING STEREOTYPES
Same thing with Texas.
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On September 12 2009 19:40 disco wrote:
haha this is kinda true..
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With clips like this, for every truly stupid answer there's usually quite a few intelligent answers. That doesn't make for good television though.
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If you're anywhere in Europe, yellow probably applies to you <3
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On September 12 2009 19:40 disco wrote:
lol that is awesome
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On September 13 2009 02:24 gjg.instinct wrote:
The OP map is not accurate it all..if it was then everyone else in the world would be screwed. Most Americans are moderate and that BLUE / RED ideological polarizing map was propaganda for 2000/2004 elections. In reality the whole map would be "purple", with some patches of red in the deep south and some even smaller patches of blue near San Francisco and the New England States.
Even most Americans are deeply misinformed about this because that blue/red map was such a strong theme ( but a deceptive one ) during recent presidential elections. The extremists on either end of the political spectrum realized it would help their respective campaigns to polarize the country as much as possible.
This is a very good point that rarely comes up. All those red states still have 35-49% democrats, and the blue states have 35-49% republicans. It's not like any state is 100% one way or the other. Also, New England and the deep south are always the examples of polarized regions, but in fact the most heavily democratic state is Hawaii and the largest republican areas are states like Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, and Alaska. The US is quite moderate, but our two party primary system is a huge barrier to any moderate candidate ever being on the ballot for president.
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This is my favorite thread on TL in a long while. Keep the maps coming, they're all brilliant.
I am from purple land and while I attempt to avoid stereotyping people outside California it is difficult. Maybe this is why but I can't be sure. I know the article is long but it is funny and cogent to the topic.
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On September 13 2009 03:45 Railz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If you're anywhere in Europe, yellow probably applies to you <3
Why?
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OP pretty much nailed it, just that the red color was somehow messed up at both ends.
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I live in the red, and yeah it's pretty much true. There are pockets of intelligent resistance here and there... but I haven't met many of them, and the religious fucked-up right that gives that stereotype to the area vastly outnumber them.
So, once again, I blame religion for the stereotype of my home.
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On September 12 2009 19:40 disco wrote:
That is a very accurate world map.
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On September 13 2009 03:21 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2009 01:27 gumbum8 wrote:
WTF
I live in Georgia and I know very few Gun Loving Hicks.
I actually know a lot of intelligent and respectable people.
Fuck this map, even if its a fucking joke.
EVERYONE WITH FUCKING STEREOTYPES Same thing with Texas.
agreed, i grew up with some rednecks and i still know a few, there are pockets of hicks but not as many as you would think and most ppl just like to hunt and shoot guns at the range that aren't crazy ppl. there are still a lot of democrats in texas it's just that there are more republicans and religious nuts who give us a bad name and have major influence. go to austin and you'll find a hippy fest.
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On September 13 2009 03:21 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2009 01:27 gumbum8 wrote:
WTF
I live in Georgia and I know very few Gun Loving Hicks.
I actually know a lot of intelligent and respectable people.
Fuck this map, even if its a fucking joke.
EVERYONE WITH FUCKING STEREOTYPES Same thing with Texas.
HAHAHAH You're KIDDING right?
Very few Gun Loving Hicks in Texas? HAHAHAHAHA
You don't live here if you honestly believe that. Everyone has a damn gun in Texas... I have 2 myself. That map in the OP is actually rather accurate -.-
The only real exception to this is Austin... that's it.
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On September 13 2009 03:45 Railz wrote:If you're anywhere in Europe, yellow probably applies to you <3
i live in new york, and i approve
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United States22883 Posts
On September 12 2009 19:53 Sadist wrote:
I think the map puts the correct portion of michigan in the blue section imo ;d
Aha, yeah. That part of the map is actually pretty accurate.
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On September 13 2009 06:50 Meta wrote:
I live in the red, and yeah it's pretty much true. There are pockets of intelligent resistance here and there... but I haven't met many of them, and the religious fucked-up right that gives that stereotype to the area vastly outnumber them.
So, once again, I blame religion for the stereotype of my home.
And the blue area is one of the most corrupt places on the planet. The Bos-Wash corridor is a nightmarish land filled with arrogant hypocrites. Chicago is also quite corrupt and always has been, from Capone to the Daley's.
I've lived in the DC area for most of my life. It's hideous. It's also one of the crime capitals of America, right up next to Pilidelphia and Detroit. And what's funny? DC has repeatedly been caught lying about the murder rates in the past to try to cover up just how bad it is.
Foreigners always complain about how arrogant Americans are. Most foreigners have never actually dealt with an American hick; their interractions with Americans have been mostly limited to people from the Bos-Wash corridor and from the Pacific coast. :/ A lot of prominent American map hackers in Starcraft from those areas as well. :/
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On September 13 2009 01:27 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Personally, I am not one to generalise about Americans, since I have encountered Americans of various intelligence and wisdom. However, there are certain beliefs in the US that even force me (as well as other Europeans) to raise an eyebrow. For example, a lot of Americans believe that "nationalised health care = socialism". Yet, there are many countries in Europe that have nationalised health care (if not all of them), including a lot of countries that never experienced socialism, and I would hardly be able to call them socialist states.
Socialism (in its simplest "ideal") is the control of the economy by the state for furthering the common good. It was originally proposed - as I understand it, but economics isn't my specialty so correct me if I'm wrong - as a method of transition to true communism, which is control of all "means of production" (read: economy) by the community as a whole for the benefit of the whole without need for "the state".
So, handing over control of corporations to the government is socialistic. Since some parts of the bailout amount to a government buyout (and therefore control over) companies in the financial industry (and GM), the bailout was a socialistic move. Of course, the same goes for things like Social Security and Medicare, since again government tax money is being used to pay for stuff. Most people don't really realize this, as those programs have been around for a while, so they're American, and America Isn't Socialist! But the healthcare bill (or the most widely read health care draft proposal, to be technical) takes that same approach and extends it to significantly more people, and it's new, so people are actually noticing the socialistic tendencies involved.
Europe's nationalized health care is also socialistic by definition - that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing, though. Most people tend to think, "Does it work?" is usually a much more important question than, "What is it?" Similarly, most societies throughout history, including America, have "socialized" their military spending, and justice spending.
Of course, the key difference from pure socialism lies in justification - in America and, I think, Europe, government spending is done with the understanding (or at least the rhetorical justification, depending whom you ask) that it's really the people (through their representatives) spending their own money rather than "the state" doing whatever it wants because it's god on earth. Additionally we can still kick our government out of office if it starts doing things we don't like, meaning they don't have final control.
The biggest concern of conservatives is the proliferation over the years of un-elected, essentially un-supervised government bodies and agencies that have been given increasing executive authority to regulate stuff. Many of Obama's favored agencies and programs are getting into this territory with his idea of (basically) government-sponsored community work (see: ACORN and Americorps or whatever it's called), and the healthcare bill (or again, the draft) would create yet another committee, unelected, that would be disposing of taxpayer money without answering directly to the public.
(Bush was just as guilty of this as Obama, it's just that his thing was national security instead of health-care so he had the neo-cons on his side. To define my terms, neo-cons are the combination of business- and religious-right that favors big government that favors them, rather than the "traditional" conservatives and/or libertarians who favor a smaller Federal government in all areas. Neo-conservatism is probably the biggest "conservative" player in America right now and the usual MO of the Republican party - but essentially their only difference from mainstream liberalism is what they want to spend money on. See FOX news for business-neo-con. Go look at the National Review sometime for probably the biggest proponent of religious-style-neo-con. I can't off-hand think of any big libertarian or traditional conservative news outlet.)
Like many other things though, the real question is how do exercise moderation - clearly some government spending is necessary (say, police, we all agree here, right?), we have to have some agencies have to remain more-or-less unelected if we want them to do a competent job (the FBI and FDA come to mind), and in some ways the centralized government probably can be more efficient than scattered individual effort. On the other hand, you can only demand so much in taxes before the economy starts to crumble and you can only have so large a deficit before it starts creating long-term problems, so there's a limit to how much money the government can spend safely, and then there's the question of how much of that money should be spent anyway. The economy tends to do best with tax levels as low as possible, and a better economy tends to mean a better standard of living. But of course there's more than the economy so we need some taxes and... yeah. What's the right amount of taxes and what should it be spent on?
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That map is pretty much how I see america and I live there
Just add a level for norcal in between hick and california and put a few blue splotches in the red and you basically have all of it
isn't most of the midwest/south a bunch of bible loving rednecks anyway?
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On September 13 2009 15:40 Vivi57 wrote:
That map is pretty much how I see america and I live there
Just add a level for norcal in between hick and california and put a few blue splotches in the red and you basically have all of it
isn't most of the midwest/south a bunch of bible loving rednecks anyway?
From what I've met in Utah... 8 out of 10 mormons are questioning their faith. It's a beautiful thing.
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Korea (South)11570 Posts
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off topic but that was freakishly scary to see..
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People in the blue area like the west coast I've found. We have a lot of things in common.
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On September 13 2009 01:37 JoMal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2009 19:46 intrigue wrote:
pretty likely this is also how even americans in the blue region of the map see this country too, so true
On September 13 2009 01:49 dhe95 wrote:
I live in the blue region and IMO this is pretty true.
Oh man lolz
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