• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:40
CEST 12:40
KST 19:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris34Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195
StarCraft 2
General
Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update A Eulogy for the Six Pool BoxeR's Wings Episode 2 - Fan Translation #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below
Brood War
General
No Rain in ASL20? Post ASL20 Ro24 discussion. BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group F [ASL20] Ro24 Group E [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined! [ASL20] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Mechabellum Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The year 2050 European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1312 users

My Melee Map

Blogs > Kenpachi
Post a Reply
Normal
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-04 00:59:49
September 03 2009 13:53 GMT
#1
I havent made a melee map ever but i gave it a try after finding out my map editor had a MIRROR option >> Well, i came here to ask for information about my map because im not a good map critic and its wrong for me to judge my own map.
Heres how it looks
Sanctuary 1.1
[image loading]


Version 1.0
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I have the Obs version and Non obs version uploaded there.
http://mapmaking.myfastforum.org/sutra619.php#619

What Race does this map favor?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Poll: What race does this map favor?
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Terran



*****
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
MagisterMan
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden525 Posts
September 03 2009 13:59 GMT
#2
Can't see the pic
Nachos?
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
September 03 2009 13:59 GMT
#3
[image loading]
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-03 14:00:23
September 03 2009 14:00 GMT
#4
On September 03 2009 22:59 Patriot.dlk wrote:
My Map thats seeable


:D thanks
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 03 2009 14:00 GMT
#5
Favors Z or T. I dont think you can forge FE with that natural.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
September 03 2009 14:01 GMT
#6
Siege tank can get nat easy. fix that high ground I reckon thats above nat.
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
September 03 2009 14:16 GMT
#7
imba starting gas positioning
POGGERS
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
September 03 2009 14:18 GMT
#8
I think it's good for Z. I also think the 3rd gases at the top and bottom should be a little more accessible... mineral wall and buildings is really a pain.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-03 14:20:03
September 03 2009 14:19 GMT
#9
On September 03 2009 23:16 konadora wrote:
imba starting gas positioning


eh?

On September 03 2009 23:18 Pokebunny wrote:
I think it's good for Z. I also think the 3rd gases at the top and bottom should be a little more accessible... mineral wall and buildings is really a pain.


You can pylon/depot jump.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-03 14:21:18
September 03 2009 14:20 GMT
#10
On September 03 2009 23:19 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2009 23:16 konadora wrote:
imba starting gas positioning


eh?

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2009 23:18 Pokebunny wrote:
I think it's good for Z. I also think the 3rd gases at the top and bottom should be a little more accessible... mineral wall and buildings is really a pain.


You can pylon/depot jump.

Gas mining efficiency (iirc)

top > left > right > bottom

oh

what about the zergs
POGGERS
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-03 14:22:50
September 03 2009 14:22 GMT
#11
Mine a mineral with 2 Drones and stop 1 drone from mining so it unstacks into the expo.

You can do this with all races
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
September 03 2009 14:24 GMT
#12
Doesnt seem possible for the top expo
POGGERS
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-03 14:30:39
September 03 2009 14:24 GMT
#13
it is.

no i take that back >>

i take that back it is possible.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
September 03 2009 14:25 GMT
#14
you need a mineral field sticking out like the bottom one to make it possible
POGGERS
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 03 2009 14:31 GMT
#15
Fix gas imba please. The problem with any position except left or top is that they're imbalanced for each specific race. Top and left have similiar harvest rates for each race, but down and right are really imbalanced depending on which race you have. It's just a mess.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
September 03 2009 14:32 GMT
#16
On September 03 2009 23:31 Shikyo wrote:
Fix gas imba please. The problem with any position except left or top is that they're imbalanced for each specific race. Top and left have similiar harvest rates for each race, but down and right are really imbalanced depending on which race you have. It's just a mess.

yeah this

which is why mapmakers try not to use horizontal mineral layouts of starting positions
POGGERS
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 03 2009 14:35 GMT
#17
garrr its my first melee map i dont know much~~~~
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
September 03 2009 14:41 GMT
#18
btw did you use 'units' or 'sprites' or 'unit sprites' for your 4 power generators?
POGGERS
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 03 2009 14:42 GMT
#19
Units. Absolutely no Sprites on my map.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 03 2009 14:42 GMT
#20
yeah and once you fix the gas positions it becomes non-mirror and things like mutalisk harass will be more or less effective depending on starting position.. bleh
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
September 03 2009 14:49 GMT
#21
If you use units they don't appear

You gotta use 'unit sprites'
POGGERS
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-03 15:05:19
September 03 2009 15:04 GMT
#22
Updated Sanctuary

Changes
Moved Top Left and Bottom Left Base Geysers to the Left for Balance.
Moved Bottom 3rd Gas Geyser to the Left
Used "Unit Sprites"
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
etch
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada176 Posts
September 03 2009 15:19 GMT
#23
The top two naturals seem more vulnerable to muta harass because of their orientation. There also doesn't seem to be much room to construct turrets behind the mineral line; a bit like the original bluestorm.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 03 2009 15:26 GMT
#24
But then they cant go on higher grounds or into water after harassing the minerals safely assuming you have defense near the cliffs
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
September 03 2009 15:36 GMT
#25
On September 04 2009 00:26 Kenpachi wrote:
But then they cant go on higher grounds or into water after harassing the minerals safely assuming you have defense near the cliffs

???????

he's saying the nat mineral lines at top are much easier to harass than the bottom ones because the top ones are right beside the cliff while bottom ones are right at the edge of map
POGGERS
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
September 03 2009 16:13 GMT
#26
I like it. People will always compare it to the best of the best maps (where someone makes them for a living) and complain about the smallest things.

I think its an awesome start and an outstanding first map. Dont take peoples suggestions/complaints the wrong way, they just assume every map needs to be a pro league map. You should be very proud of your first creation, I know its way better than the first ones I've made.

Some of the suggestions are good though, just done take it personal haha. I'd definitely move the nat minerals out a little bit so you can get defense there. And maybe make a third gas easier to take. This looks like a really fun map to play with friends though :D
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
September 03 2009 16:24 GMT
#27
terran will pwn in this map.
aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
September 03 2009 16:35 GMT
#28
On September 04 2009 01:24 Piste wrote:
terran will pwn in this map.

holding the middle looks ridicolously strong as terran.
great map btw, i like it. Perhabs you could make the naturals a bit more wallable?
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
September 03 2009 17:07 GMT
#29
man this map mis a good third
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
September 03 2009 17:13 GMT
#30
rather curious how protoss will fare on this map in PvZ with a 3rd semi-island 3rd gas
dats racist
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-03 18:03:57
September 03 2009 18:02 GMT
#31
The biggest problem right now is that in vertical positions, Terran can both protect their cliff while at the same time attacking the enemies. This wouldn't be so bad if Protoss could get to the mid-game, but it's looking way too easy for Terran to just decimate them while even if the Protoss tries to counterattack, Terran can just move some of this units cliffing the opponents natural back to his when he see Toss move out.

Actually, the biggest problem is that its uninspired. A nice enough effort since you just got into mapping; I'm not trying to get you down. I'd just like to see your next map show something you think other maps don't have.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
September 03 2009 21:11 GMT
#32
On September 04 2009 03:02 Chef wrote:
The biggest problem right now is that in vertical positions, Terran can both protect their cliff while at the same time attacking the enemies. This wouldn't be so bad if Protoss could get to the mid-game, but it's looking way too easy for Terran to just decimate them while even if the Protoss tries to counterattack, Terran can just move some of this units cliffing the opponents natural back to his when he see Toss move out.

Actually, the biggest problem is that its uninspired. A nice enough effort since you just got into mapping; I'm not trying to get you down. I'd just like to see your next map show something you think other maps don't have.

Do you have any suggestions what that would be? Why not orientate yourself at the things that are tested and work pretty well?
Besides i think he added new ideas to the map, like the tunnels next to the islands, the access to the naturals, the possibilites the location of the min onlys offer and more stuff.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
September 03 2009 21:22 GMT
#33
asking what map favors what race is useless, because everyone will vote for terran to have the most advantage....
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
September 03 2009 21:43 GMT
#34
On September 04 2009 06:11 aqui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2009 03:02 Chef wrote:
The biggest problem right now is that in vertical positions, Terran can both protect their cliff while at the same time attacking the enemies. This wouldn't be so bad if Protoss could get to the mid-game, but it's looking way too easy for Terran to just decimate them while even if the Protoss tries to counterattack, Terran can just move some of this units cliffing the opponents natural back to his when he see Toss move out.

Actually, the biggest problem is that its uninspired. A nice enough effort since you just got into mapping; I'm not trying to get you down. I'd just like to see your next map show something you think other maps don't have.

Do you have any suggestions what that would be? Why not orientate yourself at the things that are tested and work pretty well?
Besides i think he added new ideas to the map, like the tunnels next to the islands, the access to the naturals, the possibilites the location of the min onlys offer and more stuff.

i lol'd
POGGERS
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 03 2009 23:42 GMT
#35
On September 04 2009 06:22 YPang wrote:
asking what map favors what race is useless, because everyone will vote for terran to have the most advantage....


I was unsure because some of my friends said it was Protoss (wtf..) and others said it was Terran. I thought it was Zerg at first >>
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-04 00:07:45
September 04 2009 00:06 GMT
#36
Change the name, there are like 100 other maps with the name including KEspa and Blizzard.

Also hide the poll image in a spoiler or something. Btw this map reminds a lot of ragnarok.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 04 2009 00:58 GMT
#37
Lol there is nothing in KeSPA with Sanctuary. Idk about Blizz cuz i deleted all my Blizzard maps.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 20m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 51
Rex 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4384
PianO 1788
Horang2 827
BeSt 427
Larva 396
Mini 362
Stork 342
Hyuk 316
ZerO 280
actioN 253
[ Show more ]
Light 222
EffOrt 155
Zeus 148
Leta 143
Mong 142
Mind 135
TY 123
ggaemo 123
Hyun 89
Nal_rA 76
Rush 62
ToSsGirL 55
yabsab 49
Liquid`Ret 45
Pusan 44
Sacsri 42
soO 38
NotJumperer 36
sorry 31
JYJ30
JulyZerg 28
zelot 24
Sharp 17
Yoon 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
[sc1f]eonzerg 13
HiyA 10
Hm[arnc] 5
Dota 2
XcaliburYe225
XaKoH 161
League of Legends
JimRising 245
Reynor100
Counter-Strike
zeus215
oskar181
flusha128
Other Games
summit1g7216
singsing1684
SortOf170
Lowko159
Happy148
Hui .97
B2W.Neo67
Dewaltoss14
ZerO(Twitch)12
MindelVK1
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL1959
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota286
League of Legends
• Jankos714
• Stunt541
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
20m
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Cure vs Rogue
Classic vs HeRoMaRinE
Rex19
Cosmonarchy
5h 20m
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
Big Brain Bouts
5h 20m
Iba vs GgMaChine
TriGGeR vs Bunny
Reynor vs Classic
Serral vs Clem
BSL Team Wars
8h 20m
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
8h 20m
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
Code For Giants Cup
11h 50m
SC Evo League
1d 1h
TaeJa vs Cure
Rogue vs threepoint
ByuN vs Creator
MaNa vs Classic
Maestros of the Game
1d 5h
ShoWTimE vs Cham
GuMiho vs Ryung
Zoun vs Spirit
Rogue vs MaNa
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 7h
SC Evo League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
2 days
SHIN vs Creator
Astrea vs Lambo
Bunny vs SKillous
HeRoMaRinE vs TriGGeR
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.