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Is TvZ supposed to be THIS HARD!?!?!?!!!?!?

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Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-29 03:12:32
August 29 2009 03:08 GMT
#1
TvP isn't even a problem at D//D+.
TvZ is a ridiculous nightmare.
If you don't have 200apm it's almost impossible to play at any effective level as I see it.
I am getting completely destroyed by Lurkers and Mutalisks, even if I get a contain on the Zerg it's only a matter of time before I make some retarded control mistake and lose everything. If I try to do anything other than micro my army gets flattened and if I actually micro my units my macro falls way way behind.
Mutalisks fly freely in my base as my marines get stuck on buildings and get picked off.
Lurkers will kill all of my units in 2 seconds or prevent me from getting any map coverage.
Basically if the Zerg goes mutas it's gg already because my timings will be so effed up by the muta harass. CONSTANTLY having to regroup hotkeys and units drives me nuts.

I've watched all the TvZ FPVODs on youtube over 9000 times and I've endlessly tried to perfect my builds. I don't think my macro/micro is that bad when I watch the B level Terrans on livestream, but whenever I'm in the driver seat the Zerg suddenly turns into some crazy gosu who is impossible to defeat.

Honestly, I don't think that TvZ at D/D+ level should require this much effort.
I'm amazed at Terran players who complain about Protoss when I feel Protoss is far easier to deal with.

I feel like I'm 100% better than I was at the start of the season, yet I get crushed by D level players this far into the season.
I can 1a2a3a4a5a6a in .75 seconds, but that doesn't mean anything when your marines get stuck trying to fend off mutas.

*
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 29 2009 03:12 GMT
#2
TvZ is ridiculously hard. I know what you mean.

I mean, if it weren't for mech, I'd probably be stuck at C-.
Even though my mech is terrible and the only reason my Terran has gone so far is TvP, which is not THAT bad unless they go dt or reaver.
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
August 29 2009 03:12 GMT
#3
Don't worry
I'm sure there are many zergs out there who feel the exact opposite (Groybc)
Just going to have to practice. There is no substitute.
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
August 29 2009 03:13 GMT
#4
I've been forcing myself to play TvZ with bio only, and it's a nightmare. I can't believe how easy people on livestream/fpvods make it look.
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Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
August 29 2009 03:16 GMT
#5
I never understand these TvZ trouble blogs because ZvT is some seriously tough shit. I played a 1 hour ZvT today where I seriously built like 60 ultralisks and I almost lost because the 1 base terran can still macro so damn well.
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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-29 03:18:49
August 29 2009 03:17 GMT
#6
I predict at least one AzureEye post in this thread.

Any matchup can be more or less difficult than the others depending on the level of your opponent and the map.
BW forever || Thall
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-29 03:20:54
August 29 2009 03:19 GMT
#7
On August 29 2009 12:16 Arrian wrote:
I never understand these TvZ trouble blogs because ZvT is some seriously tough shit. I played a 1 hour ZvT today where I seriously built like 60 ultralisks and I almost lost because the 1 base terran can still macro so damn well.

60 ultralisk < 1base Terran

May god help your Zerg souls.


EDIT: PM me and I can can critique replays with you, or just post a replay here and I could help ' -'a
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foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
August 29 2009 03:23 GMT
#8
Ugh I can relate. :| I try to consistently go bio, but ugh.
觀過斯知仁矣.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20090 Posts
August 29 2009 03:37 GMT
#9
Try playing zvt.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
August 29 2009 03:38 GMT
#10
terrans dont bio anymore?
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 29 2009 03:39 GMT
#11
ZvT is like 50 times harder than TvZ. <300 APM means all of your attacks fail miserably -,-
:)
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
August 29 2009 03:41 GMT
#12
You're getting crushed by D level players? Hm, time to learn builds? *See stylish vods, also strykers profile for terran_9 & inter.mind
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 29 2009 03:41 GMT
#13
On August 29 2009 12:12 gumbum8 wrote:
Don't worry
I'm sure there are many zergs out there who feel the exact opposite (Grobyc)
Just going to have to practice. There is no substitute.

lol ^_^

Yeah, ZvT is quite a bit harder at lower levels(maybe higher too, idk, im stuck around D+/C-) than TvZ IMO.

It takes not only practice from mass gaming, but thought into building placement and following a solid BO.

I just used to mass game TvZ freestyle, and it's so much harder than if you actually follow FPVODs and watch replays. You say you watch them, but I guess you need to focus more on the analyzing and why the Terran does what he does, rather than just think "okay he terran expands then builds up mnm while waiting for mutas to come." I'm not saying you're doing that exactly, but that's what I used to do, and when I started to actually analyze them properly the MU became much more clear and easier to play.

GL
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
August 29 2009 03:43 GMT
#14
Obviously your building placement and ability to micro vs muta sucks or you wouldn't be having trouble. Once you can properly fend off muta you have more units and more ground between the opponent's lurkers and your demise, making it easier. If your macro/multi-task is solid you can lose your whole army to a misclick to lurkers and just go get a new army from your nat, no big deal.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
Revabug
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom147 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-29 03:43:51
August 29 2009 03:43 GMT
#15
Jeez, you realise Zerg has nothing near close to matching Stylish's VODs and FAQs right?

So stop complaining :D
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
August 29 2009 03:44 GMT
#16
Yeah, TvZ is hard..but ZvT is even harder
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
August 29 2009 03:46 GMT
#17
8rax solves lots of problems :D
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
August 29 2009 03:50 GMT
#18
Standard bio seems to be the most impressive way to win, which is why I'm staying away from cheese and mech -however it's getting to the point where it feels like I'm tying a hand behind my back.

I have been watching all of the FPVODs, practicing BOs in singe player with a piece of paper with all of it written down.
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LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
August 29 2009 03:59 GMT
#19
I think you should play single mode and just practice BOs over and over until you feel very comfortable (maybe do a drill where you practice a single build 10 times before playing a real game). Then when you play a real game it gets 100 times harder due to distraction etc but you'll be more primed and warmed up. You should also learn to cheese just for additional varieties to spice things up vs players who want to re you.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
August 29 2009 04:00 GMT
#20
On August 29 2009 12:46 Perguvious wrote:
8rax solves lots of problems :D
Doesn't help you get truly better though. In fact 8rax tends to make you a worse player if you don't have ur fundamentals down.
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