EPTIs TvZ supposed to be THIS HARD!?!?!?!!!?!? - Page 2
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shavingcream66
United States1219 Posts
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
TvZ is hard, but keep in mind ZvT is also really hard - I'd say ZvT is harder. In TvZ you have so many options to abuse and screw with zerg and at low levels, you'll win every game just by using a quirky BO well. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
TvZ is hard, but keep in mind ZvT is also really hard - I'd say ZvT is harder. In TvZ you have so many options to abuse and screw with zerg and at low levels, you'll win every game just by using a quirky BO well. If you think I'm a zerg player complaining, you're wrong - I'm a C/C+ terran and my best matchup is TvZ - I get trashed by C+ tosses :/ | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
I'm sure your play could improve but it also seem that you have a mindset problem though. You are overestimating your opponent, a problem I myself often do as well. It's not a bad thing necessarily but it seems like everytime you start a TvZ your opponent has an auto-advantage because you think you will lose. Btw: Don't feel that you must do FE into defend vs mutas every game. Switch it up with the old style of 1 base play. It's a lot of fun being the aggressor instead of the defender every game and is perfectly viable at the level you are playing. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
i feel tvz is a lot easier than tvp people ranks above me i can give a good game if they're zerg but i lose badly to protoss ranks below me. | ||
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
On August 29 2009 12:46 Perguvious wrote: 8rax solves causes lots of problems :D Fixed | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
Didn't fix it very well, did ya? | ||
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On August 29 2009 12:39 synapse wrote: ZvT is like 50 times harder than TvZ. <300 APM means all of your attacks fail miserably -,- On D level, you 9pool terran 100% and you win. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
just as you, i've found it very hard to play TvZ at D/D+ level. I know what you mean. I just massed games and then things started to go together. I had a zerg practice partner that always tell me that my timing is too slow, and everything is too slow. That was like an "aha" moment that made me realize that i needed to make everything faster, and pay constant attention to my idle scvs and rax. Thats what made me click... I believe that once you get over this hump in TvZ, and when you hit C-/C/B- or even B, TvZ is a easy ride if you know 1 standard BO and practice the hell out of it vs all scenarios zergs can do. Hell, in TvP toss got reavers/DT/DT Drop, 14NEX, and so many gay shit u gotta practice for. TvZ is Zerg either 2 hatch or 3hatch, muta or lurker. IT cant get any harder than that. | ||
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
On August 29 2009 13:11 Sigh wrote: 5 Lurkers can kill a 150 supply army in 5 seconds. =( 5 stimmed firebats can kill a hatchery/expo in 10secs.. Zerg is tough in a sense that they cant really break their armies up in mid/early game, which they are prone to multi-area harrassments.. | ||
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caldo149
United States469 Posts
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Loser777
1931 Posts
TvZ is getting me addicted to this game at a time when I really can't afford to be. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On August 29 2009 14:12 Loser777 wrote: Thanks for all of the suggestions on cheese -that was how I got to D+ in the first place... then started only playing Zs on Iccup and forcing myself to use Han Bang 3 Vessel 1 Tank build and I'm back at D. (Why I made this thread) TvZ is getting me addicted to this game at a time when I really can't afford to be. Heh. Ive had Wraithphobia from ZvT and now, i wtfpwn 2port wraiths. Just learn from your mistakes. The same person who gave me Wraithphobia gave a friend of mine Mutaphobia so he builds like 204354835634683682436348624368346838456 Turrets and <3s Valks | ||
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CoOl]1st[
United States243 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
On August 29 2009 13:01 shavingcream66 wrote: yes. honestly TvZ was my sole reason for quitting terran really?! it was my sole reason for playing starcraft 1v1s - i just racepicked either side of the matchup and cheesed in tvp. fucking fun, there's simply so many little things you HAVE to pay attention to and it's just a huge rush. as for advice, i think lower level terrans seem to make the mistake of underestimating harass. they see progamers get away with minimal turrets and don't realize how much better the placement and mm micro needs to be to pull that off - just prioritize staying alive until you get a big mm/tank/vessel ball and roll the z. it's really hard to break a proper midgame t army for beginner zergs. | ||
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LuMiX
China5758 Posts
On August 29 2009 16:45 intrigue wrote: really?! it was my sole reason for playing starcraft 1v1s - i just racepicked either side of the matchup and cheesed in tvp. fucking fun, there's simply so many little things you HAVE to pay attention to and it's just a huge rush. as for advice, i think lower level terrans seem to make the mistake of underestimating harass. they see progamers get away with minimal turrets and don't realize how much better the placement and mm micro needs to be to pull that off - just prioritize staying alive until you get a big mm/tank/vessel ball and roll the z. it's really hard to break a proper midgame t army for beginner zergs. he's not lying. every tvp proxy fact! ^_^ edit- to be fair, every tvp for me is 2fact rush hahha | ||
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Loser777
1931 Posts
But yes, cheesing toss is a huge rush... nothing is more satisfying than BBSing a toss or rinescv rush when he gas steals you. | ||
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