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TLnet Poll - How are you feeling about SC2 esports headed…

How are you feeling about SC2 esports headed into 2020? :

Positive (762)35%
Neutral/Don't know (744)34%
Negative (679)31%

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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net133 Posts
November 10 2019 19:35 GMT
#1
gnuoy000
Profile Joined July 2018
31 Posts
November 11 2019 00:04 GMT
#2
i'm not sick of the game, i feel like the active players are all amazing, and i love the personalities we have from the streamers, to the casters, to the progamers themselves. i think the game is still good and I don't have negative feelings toward the game. the balance is bad right now, but i have hope that it will improve. however, i am not hopeful that we will see the same level of investment, particularly from blizzard. so i put negative. it would be nice to be proved wrong.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
November 11 2019 01:23 GMT
#3
any news on the latest design/balance updates?
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
jedi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
United States172 Posts
November 11 2019 03:04 GMT
#4
Worried for the game's overall support next year with Blizzard's recent moves and staff resignations
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
November 11 2019 03:50 GMT
#5
I feel positive so far. IEM and HSC are still going.I know on the pylon show they said the reason SC2 isn't on Dreamhack or MLG is because of WCS scheduling. If we lost WCS I'm sure we'd get other tourneys like MLG and Dreamhack
Artosis loves Starcraft
that_one_danny
Profile Joined July 2019
7 Posts
November 11 2019 18:30 GMT
#6
Oh plz, we all know its bullshit, that sc2 isnt on MLG or dreamhack because of scheduling issues...

I dont know how to feel. havent touched the game in 2 weeks, which is insane for me. I just feel too burnt out, when playing terran. for now id say negative. the game doesnt feel like fun anymore.
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
November 11 2019 20:07 GMT
#7
maybe if the game was balanced and didnt have the worst global finals ever
yxme
Profile Joined May 2019
15 Posts
November 11 2019 21:05 GMT
#8
I feel positive about the game itself. I feel negative about Blizzard's support for SC2.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States878 Posts
November 11 2019 23:48 GMT
#9
Feeling positive overall. There's still plenty of passion and financial support, and the balance team is attempting to address zerg domination. I'm also very happy that China brought team leagues back to the spotlight - it feels like they're trying to fill a hole that has been missing for a while in that regard.

My biggest concern is the stagnation of the Korean scene. Feels like every GSL is the same names over and over again.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Dedraterllaerau
Profile Joined May 2019
113 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-12 06:32:33
November 12 2019 06:30 GMT
#10
Worried about Blizzard balance/design team, watching the changes they do to the game while a few are good like the obvious ones ( Swarhost nydus abuse / removing Infested Terrans ), outside of those obvious changes they seem to have no clue of how to balance or how to design good gameplay.

Blizzard had the entirety of Heart of the Swarm plus years in LOTV teaching everyone what a poorly designed unit the swarm host is and yet it still remains in the game, this is also where Infested Terrans enter the picture with the same problem, free units do not belong in Starcraft, you are adding another element of economy which the 2 other races do not have. (could get me started on Injects and mules aswell)

I believe the end of 2020 will be Zerg dominated with Terran close second and Protoss still left in the dust since they decided to keep screwing over Protoss in 2020 aswell. If they do remove Infested Terrans there might be a slight chance Protoss can perform well with Carriers and storm in the late game vs Zerg but I doubt they will remove infested Terrans.

Regardless of what happens after the next patch I trust Blizzard will do what they always do, if Protoss has something strong early in the patch it will be instantly patched before they can find a response to it, if Terran or Zerg has it might take a year+ to fix.

What do I base this on?

Carrier got nerfed hardcore before Zergs started to understand the strength of infested Terrans.

Immortal all inns a problem? Got nerfed fast, zerg solved the problem themselves and shut it down before the patch was even released.

These are only the latest, it is far from the first time it has happened.

I called all this early 2019, we are now closing in on December and the only thing Blizzard managed to do for 2019 was nerf the already weakest race Protoss to the ground because they were to busy listening to the complaints from ignorant twitch chat/biased streamers. Meanwhile, Zerg gets away with the most broken Meta SC2 has ever seen in its history.
Not to mention so many SC2 Pro's inability to even try to make unbiased opinions towards Blizzard, you wanna win I get it.

You need some people with real leadership/understanding and vision for the game Blizzard, you are not gonna find the answers if you keep looking to people with obvious bias for inputs. You need someone who truly understands the game and has a vision for great RTS gameplay.
Hvvacha
Profile Joined April 2018
82 Posts
November 12 2019 12:07 GMT
#11
On November 12 2019 15:30 Dedraterllaerau wrote:
Worried about Blizzard balance/design team, watching the changes they do to the game while a few are good like the obvious ones ( Swarhost nydus abuse / removing Infested Terrans ), outside of those obvious changes they seem to have no clue of how to balance or how to design good gameplay.

Blizzard had the entirety of Heart of the Swarm plus years in LOTV teaching everyone what a poorly designed unit the swarm host is and yet it still remains in the game, this is also where Infested Terrans enter the picture with the same problem, free units do not belong in Starcraft, you are adding another element of economy which the 2 other races do not have. (could get me started on Injects and mules aswell)

I believe the end of 2020 will be Zerg dominated with Terran close second and Protoss still left in the dust since they decided to keep screwing over Protoss in 2020 aswell. If they do remove Infested Terrans there might be a slight chance Protoss can perform well with Carriers and storm in the late game vs Zerg but I doubt they will remove infested Terrans.

Regardless of what happens after the next patch I trust Blizzard will do what they always do, if Protoss has something strong early in the patch it will be instantly patched before they can find a response to it, if Terran or Zerg has it might take a year+ to fix.

What do I base this on?

Carrier got nerfed hardcore before Zergs started to understand the strength of infested Terrans.

Immortal all inns a problem? Got nerfed fast, zerg solved the problem themselves and shut it down before the patch was even released.

These are only the latest, it is far from the first time it has happened.

I called all this early 2019, we are now closing in on December and the only thing Blizzard managed to do for 2019 was nerf the already weakest race Protoss to the ground because they were to busy listening to the complaints from ignorant twitch chat/biased streamers. Meanwhile, Zerg gets away with the most broken Meta SC2 has ever seen in its history.
Not to mention so many SC2 Pro's inability to even try to make unbiased opinions towards Blizzard, you wanna win I get it.

You need some people with real leadership/understanding and vision for the game Blizzard, you are not gonna find the answers if you keep looking to people with obvious bias for inputs. You need someone who truly understands the game and has a vision for great RTS gameplay.


weakest race, not even having the least amount of 1st places in premier tournaments this year
DrunkenJedi
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany175 Posts
November 12 2019 21:04 GMT
#12
The worst Global Finals ever certainly doesn't help. But still it's the on and only RTS eSports. So there will be coverage. But SC 2 is certainly not on the rise.
We had ASUS ROG back this summer which was awesome but the viewership was so bad, it's really sad to see.
"Don't worry, I use Special Tactics this time, no problem."
Darkness2k11
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile313 Posts
November 13 2019 04:24 GMT
#13
Negative, I thought this year was going fine until the Nydus/SH strat started popping on every match-up, then Blizzcon finals was meh and the only thing we got was a new coop commander and deepmind stuff, it's not looking good.
When Behind, Dark Shrine
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
November 13 2019 17:30 GMT
#14
I think the balance problem is really not a thing compared to the situation of blizzard now and there are less great players and the youngest generation of Korean who plays at top tier is 1997(8), still positive next year, not sure how future goes
"You don't need a gsl champion, you don't need a esl champion. I feel like I'm just a normal man. I just practice very hard this time, like 15hrs everyday" Oliveira 2023
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States721 Posts
November 13 2019 21:51 GMT
#15
I won't sit idly by and watch my favorite esport and only hobby fall to ruin.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
November 14 2019 00:03 GMT
#16
On November 11 2019 09:04 gnuoy000 wrote:
i'm not sick of the game, i feel like the active players are all amazing, and i love the personalities we have from the streamers, to the casters, to the progamers themselves. i think the game is still good and I don't have negative feelings toward the game. the balance is bad right now, but i have hope that it will improve. however, i am not hopeful that we will see the same level of investment, particularly from blizzard. so i put negative. it would be nice to be proved wrong.


Exactly the same here.
ArcadePlus
Profile Joined March 2012
United States44 Posts
November 14 2019 00:44 GMT
#17
As much as I love SC2 and BW, I don't trust Blizzard and I don't really even respect them anymore. I don't know what great blend of talent and direction they had when they made WoL, LotV, and BW, but they're either gone, have given up, or are being strong-armed by something inside the company.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
November 14 2019 19:49 GMT
#18
Feeling negative just by seeing so many empty chairs and less crowd last Blizzcon - first they moved players from big arena to smaller one but still with booth, now they force players to play without booth like it's 4x4 game. Just compare 2016 finals (where Dark played) and this time you'll see the difference. Also production declined pretty bad.

No Blizzcon for BW is big blow too, they only made 2 (can't even call that Blizzcon because it's only bo5 match between two pros but still that was something) because game kinda was new'ish. Now only 3 devs run Remastered and they push updates half a year with 1% change. I got a feeling both games can fall apart.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
November 16 2019 22:54 GMT
#19
balance is bad and has been for several patches, and blizzard is acting the fool in all matters of ways and has lost my support. don't feel great about the game but still love it
etsharry
Profile Joined February 2013
20 Posts
November 19 2019 13:26 GMT
#20
Negative, I still love the game and I think it is greater than ever, but after recent events and the whole year filled with multiple rts devs being laid-off, i really feel that Blizzard will decrease the SC funding massively. And noone can deny that that will hurt our scene massively, especially the Korean scene. If GSL dies, it would shatter my whole life tbh.
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