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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 08 2019 11:56 GMT
#41
The ban reason states quite clearly what the priorities of TL moderation is and it is the same reason why I am basically one step from hell here as well: more then anything, they are now about being respected. I fully expect someone to jump here and say it is not true and that it is just "explaining their motivations to them" or something along those lines, but there is now a mountain of evidence that "being respected" is the key priority of at least some members of the TL mod team.

It wasn't like that in the past and the shift was slow and thus never really perceived, until it just brought about a slow genocide of veterans who signed up years ago for a completely different forum.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 12:35:39
February 08 2019 12:30 GMT
#42
EDIT: Never mind, it wasn't worth engaging with.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 08 2019 12:43 GMT
#43
Only took three pages to get to genocide.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 08 2019 12:57 GMT
#44
After taking some time to try to learn some more about it, I also have the stance that this is an unfair ban.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9244 Posts
February 08 2019 15:46 GMT
#45
You can't be sure because you don't have access to the pms he sent to mods and users who share his trait of being unable to walk away from fruitless arguments.
You're now breathing manually
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 16:51:07
February 08 2019 16:50 GMT
#46
People would be better off if they could just drop unproductive disagreements. Performance hysteria is not productive under all conditions
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 08 2019 17:13 GMT
#47
This is a forum. Who is to say whether a disagreement is productive or not? For users like us who have no power, performance is all we have and is everything.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 08 2019 17:17 GMT
#48
It’s not hard to tell whether a disagreement is productive. Is this your sixth PM reformulating a question or demanding an answer to a person who has only sent you one?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 17:50:40
February 08 2019 17:48 GMT
#49
Can talking to people randomly on teh interwebz be consider productive? I don't know, I'm not you or GH. Perhaps GH consider that productive. I guess you don't. All I know is that my PMs with GH was greatly amusing to me. It was a productive use of that short period of time. Mostly it showed to me how GH perceives himself. He genuinely thinks he is a lot smarter and wiser than he really is.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 08 2019 17:50 GMT
#50
Sounds like someone else
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 08 2019 17:51 GMT
#51
Same back at you. See how easy that was? A productive use of time indeed.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 20:16:49
February 08 2019 18:01 GMT
#52
On February 09 2019 00:46 Sent. wrote:
You can't be sure because you don't have access to the pms he sent to mods and users who share his trait of being unable to walk away from fruitless arguments.


yes I do because he sent them to me

and anyone who wants to know GH's side of things then i guess you could just PM him yourself if he's still around (he probably is).


edit: he tells me that banned users can only pm staff, so I guess that technically, you can't.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
February 08 2019 19:38 GMT
#53
On February 09 2019 02:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Can talking to people randomly on teh interwebz be consider productive? I don't know, I'm not you or GH. Perhaps GH consider that productive. I guess you don't. All I know is that my PMs with GH was greatly amusing to me. It was a productive use of that short period of time. Mostly it showed to me how GH perceives himself. He genuinely thinks he is a lot smarter and wiser than he really is.

Holy condescending batman
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 20:04:23
February 08 2019 20:00 GMT
#54
You haven't seen how condescending and aloof he conducts himself in his PM. He truly has no idea. In his PMs, he thinks he is cleverly manipulating you whilst being condescending towards you. A very strange debating technique, or his attempt to reach out to me, who can say. Lets just say he didn't exactly well endear himself towards me, when it was himself that decided to PM me. *shrugs* Whilst I can joke and say I am a shitposter. Hey if he ever comes back he will forever hound me. Such is life.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 21:41:54
February 08 2019 21:40 GMT
#55
I can confirm that GH was insufferable in his PMs. To the point where I told him to stop PMing me. He failed that simple request a few times too.

He would also become obsessed with specific posters and having them admit they were wrong. I dealt with that as well. But even if they did admit a mistake, it was not enough. You had to not only admit you were wrong, but you allowed yourself to be deceived by your neoliberal bias. And even then he would assume you were not sincere.

I get that folks don’t think a forum vet should be banned over a PM disagreement. But some people don’t respect boundaries or can’t read the room. They fight and engage until they get what they want, even if the person on the other side specifically asks to be left alone. GH was one of those people. And that is one of the many reasons he wanted to be able to moderate his own politics blog.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 08 2019 21:53 GMT
#56
On February 09 2019 05:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You haven't seen how condescending and aloof he conducts himself in his PM. He truly has no idea. In his PMs, he thinks he is cleverly manipulating you whilst being condescending towards you. A very strange debating technique, or his attempt to reach out to me, who can say. Lets just say he didn't exactly well endear himself towards me, when it was himself that decided to PM me. *shrugs* Whilst I can joke and say I am a shitposter. Hey if he ever comes back he will forever hound me. Such is life.


wanna post such a PM chain then?

Right now what I am being presented with is people making claims about him (not just the people in this thread), and then him defending himself by sending me the actual PM chains, which generally seem to make him look like the more reasonable person, at least in my opinion.

He messaged me after your post with a PM chain between him and you, and between the two of you, he looked much more civil. Since it's private, I am not posting it. But if you say it's cool, I'll post it and then other users can decide for themselves who's tone and behavior is more inappropriate.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 08 2019 22:03 GMT
#57
Are you saying we are lying?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 08 2019 22:14 GMT
#58
I generally don't make claims about things I have no clue about. I thought I made myself pretty clear. Do you know what an opinion is?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 08 2019 22:34 GMT
#59
People have described events that took place over years and through numerous discussions. And afternoon hearing that, you requested to read one of these exchanges to assess if the feels expressed in this thread are justified.

I can understand wanting to have a better understanding. But demanding recipients is essentially saying you don’t believe us. Or you suspect our feelings about the exchanges were not justified
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
February 08 2019 22:43 GMT
#60
On February 09 2019 06:53 travis wrote:
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On February 09 2019 05:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You haven't seen how condescending and aloof he conducts himself in his PM. He truly has no idea. In his PMs, he thinks he is cleverly manipulating you whilst being condescending towards you. A very strange debating technique, or his attempt to reach out to me, who can say. Lets just say he didn't exactly well endear himself towards me, when it was himself that decided to PM me. *shrugs* Whilst I can joke and say I am a shitposter. Hey if he ever comes back he will forever hound me. Such is life.


wanna post such a PM chain then?

Right now what I am being presented with is people making claims about him (not just the people in this thread), and then him defending himself by sending me the actual PM chains, which generally seem to make him look like the more reasonable person, at least in my opinion.

He messaged me after your post with a PM chain between him and you, and between the two of you, he looked much more civil. Since it's private, I am not posting it. But if you say it's cool, I'll post it and then other users can decide for themselves who's tone and behavior is more inappropriate.

So you're saying that a guy who was recently permanently banned is messaging you, the poster who has shown the most initiative in questioning his ban, evidence that casts him in a positive light?

Color me surprised.
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