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On January 26 2017 13:46 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2017 06:00 opisska wrote:On January 26 2017 02:32 LegalLord wrote:On January 25 2017 06:48 Yuljan wrote:On January 25 2017 03:20 Morfildur wrote:On January 25 2017 00:49 OtherWorld wrote:On January 25 2017 00:00 LegalLord wrote:
Germany, of all European countries, seems least likely to have a populist revolution of sorts. But as someone said way upthread, history will not be as kind to Merkel and her leadership as the German electorate is right now. Why ? Germany is still, economically, the strongest European country (by far, even), doubtlessly has the potential to become the strongest military in Europe if they want to, and is also the key holding the EU together. If we look at economic indicators, the unemployment rate was at more than 10% when she took office, in 2005, and is today nearing 4% ; meanwhile, the GDP went up by roughly 30%, average wages went up, etc. By comparison, in France during the same timespan, under 3 different Presidents and 5 different Prime Ministers, unemployment rate went from 8.5% to 10%, and the GDP went up by only 10%. (source : www.tradingeconomics.com) People outside Germany only see the immigrant controversy and don't understand that most Germans are actually fine with refugees and immigrants, so they think Merkel is the root of all evil. Germany took more refugees than any other country and came out stronger while their own countries took the opportunity to blame everything on refugees to avoid actually improving things, e.g. "Oh, unemployment is high, sorry, we can't do anything with all the refugees streaming in. Blame Merkel." And where to you get your inside few that most Germans are fine with it? Having grown up in a multicultural city and worked there until last year when I finally got the chance to say goodbye to Germany, none of the people from my workplace or friends support the immigration policies. Most of the former immigrants too. They are not quite at the level were theyd vote for a right wing party but most of them told me they are planning to leave Germany as well. How did Germany come out stronger from taking in the refugees? Crime rates have surged and most of the refugees will never contribute anything to the country. They are a drain on the whole society and the full impact will only become visible in 10 years. I like how some Germans often portray the world as crazy even though every other country saw the problems this shortsighted and idiotic immigration policy will have. Now they slowly admit to positiones that were labelled right wing/nazi only 1 year ago. To be honest I think the refugees was a major contributor to the rise of populist and right wing parties in the world given that people realized how deluded and shortsighted to current "democratic" (i.e. party oligarchies in the west) governments have become. It definitely was the deciding factor for Brexit. One and a half years ago they said you were crazy if you mentioned theyd be terrorist in the refugees (i.e. the guys fleeing from the syrian army advances - mainly supporters of al-nusra, ISIS and other islamist calling themself the free syrian army). Now we have daily raids on terrorist supporters and I dont even want to count the number of attacks perpetrated by people that came in as refugees. One year ago they said cologne was committed by these bad north africans who just pretend to be refugees. This year a mob of the same men came again and after police controlled them it turned out most of them are syrians. I could go on and on about this topic but I dont blame you for your ignorance. You live in a different world and I truly hope that my fears wont become true and Germany keeps on going as always. I personally have drawn my conclusion having lived in a muslim dominated neighbourhood and also studied in a muslim country for half a year. While I called many of them my friends, I would never want my children to grow up with these people. Islam is the most hateful doctrine in the world and bringing in a mass of young, uneducated islamic men is a recipe for disaster of disproportional impact for the future of my former homeland. A state that does not control its border is not state at all so for me the German government has failed in every possible aspect. While a rebellion in Germany seems unlikely, I wouldnt consider it unjustified. User was temp banned for this post. This one makes me a bit sad. I could instantly see that it was going to get a ban but it was a genuinely insightful post into the frustrations of certain people with troubling developments. No need to beat around the bush: this is a stupid ban and the mod in question should feel ashamed of himself. This ohmygodhecalledislamhatefulwhatanazi mentality may turn out to be the key component in the rise of the fourth reich. At least my jew-related prediction above would then come to reality sooner, even if for a completely different reason. I now we should be cheerful here, but this is alarmingly unfunny. The saddest part is that the people causing the most harm are deeply convinced of doing good. Ironically, the other side that they are nurturing will be convinced of the same when time comes. I'm not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If you have problems with the ban, feel free to take it to website feedback. Only thing I'll say here is that while I empathize with his situation, TL is not the place for these types of hateful posts. No one will stop him if he rants all pf this to his inner circle of close friends but TL has rules and his mod history doesn't paint his recent posts in good light either. Not much else to say.
So the guy writes a long, touching story detailing his issues and the only thing you see is a "hateful post". I am sorry, but this is getting stupid. Another topic on which TL has declared the one true acceptable opinion - so why is it even discussed here? Why are the moderators working so hard to maintain the echo chamber?
But this time, the problem is way bigger than TL. This is a huge issue of the society in many European countries nowadays - people like BigFan, who see people Yuljan as "hateful" and refuse to listen to them and give them any space. Why do you people so fiercely refuse to see how dire the situation is? The fear of Islam is no longer a fringe problem of a couple of mislead uneducated idiots, it's a fully mainstream view - in Czech Republic it is surely held by the majority of population. Yet the BigFans of Europe (sorry man, your name will just be used as a label, if I were speaking Czech, we have some pretty clear terms for both sides of this divide, but in English, I am lost) are consistently trying to deny them any voice and keep on insisting that this is some kind of deranged minority. This attitude of whack-a-mole silencing would actually make sense, if it was a minority (it works in many cases), but it's completely idiotic when dealing with a majority.
Surely, a ban on TL is not a very far-reaching act. But it is a symptom. A symptom of shortsightedness and self-centrism of the "smart people". Any such instance of repression only nurtures the "hate". And not only large scale state repressions count. Every time you unfriend a guy on facebook because he posts about the terrors of islam too much, you are just making another dig to the trench. I constantly see some people believing that the trench is good, because it keeps the bad guys away, but that's total bullshit. The trench is around YOU, it keeps you away, because you are totally outnumbered.
I honestly think this is by far the biggest issue of the western civilization at the moment. There is real danger that within a couple of years, after a series of elections across Europe, we will suddenly find out that the majority has democratically elected what is basically the new nazis, out of the sheer frustration with immigration and the utter refusal of the current political elites to even talk about it. Then it is gonna be far too late to start the dialogue, so I urge people to take their time now to do it. Find your local islamophobe and talk to him - but in an open-minded manner, not as a lecture from your position of natural intellectual superiority.
The least TL can do to save the world would be to not ban such people on sight.
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this is a starcraft site. for whatever reason, the people who own and operate the site have opened it up to non-starcraft related discussions. however, they want it to remain a friendly and welcoming place (for better or worse), and keep what most consider to be hate speech out of it. if you dont like it, move along to a site that welcomes your views. this isnt a podium for every view on earth.
i know you want to have some pseudo-intellectual discussion about why every view should be allowed to be expressed and people should get thicker skin, but when it comes down to it, you are a guest on tl.net and they dont give a shit about what you want when it comes to hate speech.
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Agreed with OP.
Too often you get labelled a racist on this forum for attempting to voice a discomfort with the current immigration situation in Europe. It's pretty frustrating.
I first thought this ban was completely overkill, the fact that the account had been banned twice prior is somewhat of an explanation, I wonder what would've happened if a 'clean' account had made that post.
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On January 26 2017 17:07 dAPhREAk wrote:
this is a starcraft site. for whatever reason, the people who own and operate the site have opened it up to non-starcraft related discussions. however, they want it to remain a friendly and welcoming place (for better or worse), and keep what most consider to be hate speech out of it. if you dont like it, move along to a site that welcomes your views. this isnt a podium for every view on earth.
i know you want to have some pseudo-intellectual discussion about why every view should be allowed to be expressed and people should get thicker skin, but when it comes down to it, you are a guest on tl.net and they dont give a shit about what you want when it comes to hate speech.
Sure, for people who value their comfort over their social responsibility, this is a completely valid point of view. However, the people who own and operate the site have repeatedly declared that they are opened to criticism of their ways, they have even said that to me personally on many occasions, so I do that.
I feel this direction of discussion honestly tiring. I have repeatedly expressed that the I fully accept that the TL powers to be are in full right in deciding about what is posted on their site, you do not need to convince me about that. You are really arguing against something I have never said. My essential point is that the fact that their action are rightful doesn't absolve them from being judged on whether they aren't stupid.
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On January 26 2017 17:16 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2017 17:07 dAPhREAk wrote:
this is a starcraft site. for whatever reason, the people who own and operate the site have opened it up to non-starcraft related discussions. however, they want it to remain a friendly and welcoming place (for better or worse), and keep what most consider to be hate speech out of it. if you dont like it, move along to a site that welcomes your views. this isnt a podium for every view on earth.
i know you want to have some pseudo-intellectual discussion about why every view should be allowed to be expressed and people should get thicker skin, but when it comes down to it, you are a guest on tl.net and they dont give a shit about what you want when it comes to hate speech. Sure, for people who value their comfort over their social responsibility, this is a completely valid point of view. However, the people who own and operate the site have repeatedly declared that they are opened to criticism of their ways, they have even said that to me personally on many occasions, so I do that. I feel this direction of discussion honestly tiring. I have repeatedly expressed that the I fully accept that the TL powers to be are in full right in deciding about what is posted on their site, you do not need to convince me about that. You are really arguing against something I have never said. My essential point is that the fact that their action are rightful doesn't absolve them from being judged on whether they aren't stupid.
please explain to me why allowing hate speech increases social responsibility. the stupid thing about this discussion is that you can discuss these kinds of things, just leave out the stereotyping and hate. you can say immigration policies are wrong without grouping all muslims into categories and making generic statements.
i honestly think tl.net is too light on some of these things (specifically, the failure to crackdown on anti-religion), but whatever.
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On January 26 2017 17:22 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2017 17:16 opisska wrote:On January 26 2017 17:07 dAPhREAk wrote:
this is a starcraft site. for whatever reason, the people who own and operate the site have opened it up to non-starcraft related discussions. however, they want it to remain a friendly and welcoming place (for better or worse), and keep what most consider to be hate speech out of it. if you dont like it, move along to a site that welcomes your views. this isnt a podium for every view on earth.
i know you want to have some pseudo-intellectual discussion about why every view should be allowed to be expressed and people should get thicker skin, but when it comes down to it, you are a guest on tl.net and they dont give a shit about what you want when it comes to hate speech. Sure, for people who value their comfort over their social responsibility, this is a completely valid point of view. However, the people who own and operate the site have repeatedly declared that they are opened to criticism of their ways, they have even said that to me personally on many occasions, so I do that. I feel this direction of discussion honestly tiring. I have repeatedly expressed that the I fully accept that the TL powers to be are in full right in deciding about what is posted on their site, you do not need to convince me about that. You are really arguing against something I have never said. My essential point is that the fact that their action are rightful doesn't absolve them from being judged on whether they aren't stupid. please explain to me why allowing hate speech increases social responsibility. the stupid thing about this discussion is that you can discuss these kinds of things, just leave out the stereotyping and hate. you can say immigration policies are wrong without grouping all muslims into categories and making generic statements. i honestly think tl.net is too light on some of these things (specifically, the failure to crackdown on anti-religion), but whatever.
Labeling opinions held by millions of people as "hate speech" is simply not a solution. Hiding in a shrinking bubble while the whole continent is being taking over by rampant xenofobia is the exact opposite of social responsibility. I really do not see how I can explain it further. I understand the idea of suppressing hateful speech and isolating those who perpetuate it in the hope that it will not spread, but this ship has sailed. I am not saying that you have to agree with their simplified view of Islam, but I would propose trying to argue with them, instead of just forcing them away, into their own bubbles, where their view will only become reinforced. The communication between the "tolerant" and the "islamophobic" camps is painfully needed at the moment, otherwise it just becomes a blind battle of simplifications.
This really is my main point here - and I want to get it across independently of my actual opinion on Islam and religion in general. I am aware that those opinions might be known to some of you, thus possible devaluating my point because it can be taken as "kicking for my team", but I am sincerely asking people to not do that.
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I dont understand hating immigrants. Can somebody explain to me how it makes sense to not want immigration?
I dont see a difference between people born in my country and people born outside. They are all humans. Borders are drawn arbitrarily. What exactly makes immigrants worse than natives in your opinion? What is the difference between these two groups other than what is written on a piece of paper?
Its an honest question.
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As the person who reported this post, I have to say about it :
(1) That I reported it because of the "Islam is most hateful doctrine in the world" line. I would have done the same had he put any other religion instead. Saying your opinion is one thing. Branding your opinion as a fact that no one can discuss is another, and is such a usual tactic of extremists (be them from the left or the right) that it's really, really tiring.
(2) I fail to see how you find it "touching", though. Yes, it's typical of miserable people who, because they feel they're failures, feel the need to blame their - very real, don't get me wrong - issues on others, in some kind of persecutory delusion that is becoming more and more mainstream. You can see all the symptoms : un-sourced assesments about crime rates and who commit them ; narrative of foreigners as parasites, people who "will never contribute anything" (oh hey, another opinion presented as a fact), who are a "drain", but whose full impact will only be seen in 10 years (classical "cancer narrative" right there !) ; blame of the "party oligarchy", of the (fake) "democracy" in which the real opinion of the people (whatever that even means) isn't considered, even though the very fact that populist parties are rising proves that wrong ; calling people who disagree with his vision of the world ignorant people ; border-control fetishism that disregards basic history lessons about borders (yeah, we all know there was absolutely no illegal immigration before Schengen, right ? Borders were all 10-meter tall walls and not at all virtual lines over a field, right ?) ; heavy emphasis on his own experience with these people, as if his experience was of course completely unbiased and objective (never forget Hitler based his view of the "World Jewry" not on statistics or facts, but on his own experience in Vienna !) ; and the good old "I don't want my children to grow up with these barbarous people !" argument (well, guess what, I don't my children to grow up in a society filled with hate speech, yet I'll have no choice. Sucks, right ?).
(3) The very fact that we had, both in the European Politics thread and here, several posters expressing support for his views (as well as the fact that we have a fair share of far-right posters in both Politics threads), disprove your view that this is "another topic on which TL has declared the one true acceptable opinion". In fact, TL allows plenty of anti-refugee/anti-EU/anti-establishment/anti-PC/anti-whatever speech (more in the US Politics thread than in the European one, though), as long as it stays decently polite and does not go on to such stupid generalization as "Islam is the most hateful doctrine in the world". Come on, had the guy replaced this sentence with something like "I don't think we can say, looking at the world right now, that Islam is a religion of peace", I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have been banned, even though his post still reeked of carefully disguised hate speech.
(4) As for the rest of your post, the part about people not listening to these frustrated people, I think once again, facts disprove this : populist parties are rising, and potentially will be elected ; medias are increasingly covering these frustrated people, thus giving them a voice ; and non-populist parties have radically changed their discourse to cater to these frustrated people. See for example the Parti Socialiste in France, who, after having been elected on the promise - among others - of giving to foreigners living in France the right to vote in local elections, and after having historically been the main voice opposing the broad generalizations made on Islam by the right to far-right sphere, has not only never realized that promise, but also has tried to put into law proposals from the far-right (!) about dual citizens losing their French citizenship in case of being sentenced by a court, and has adopted a narrative based on Sécurité, Laïcité, Uniformité rather than Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité. In fact, the issue is that people are listening to these people, but are not discussing with them - and in this I agree with you : open-mindedly discussing with your local Islamophobe is something everyone should do. But, in my experience, I've found that they themselves fail to be open-minded, and most of the time it's them who try to lecture you, persuaded that because they're "anti-mainstream" and they "don't believe the shit medias tell us", they have a natural intellectual superiority over you, poor blind sheep unable to think by yourself (you can see this in Yuljan post, btw : "I don't blame you for your ignorance. You live in a truly different world"). You need common ground to discuss with people. How can you find a common ground with someone to whom your reality is a lie, while for yourself his reality is a fantasy ?
edit : well, I strongly disagree with the un-ban. I hoped TL would hold itself to higher standards than you usually see on the Internet.
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On January 26 2017 18:36 KadaverBB wrote:I've reversed the ban because I don't think the opinion expressed in the post is completely outlandish or controversial. It could have been worded more carefully in some parts to sound less harsh though. I also want to say that moderating is extremely difficult and mistakes happen from time to time. I've made plenty myself. You also should avoid statements like"TL has declared the one true acceptable opinion" , we are actually trying very hard to not intervene in these discussions. We could be way, way harder on some stuff, but we choose not to. Some posts are just worded way too aggressively or unmannered to be acceptable, something very common in political topics. We are also not a fan of hateful generalizations. Politics are hard, maybe for the moderation team especially, so please don't turn every ban in a politics thread into an outrage (You are very good at this opisska  ) 
Thank you.
On January 26 2017 18:32 RoomOfMush wrote:
I dont understand hating immigrants. Can somebody explain to me how it makes sense to not want immigration?
I dont see a difference between people born in my country and people born outside. They are all humans. Borders are drawn arbitrarily. What exactly makes immigrants worse than natives in your opinion? What is the difference between these two groups other than what is written on a piece of paper?
Its an honest question.
There's a difference between "hating immigrants" and "believing immigration has a negative effect for my country". I don't think anyone in this discussion has claimed the former.
Yuljan attempted to explain the latter, his post is in the quote in OP.
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I just popped in to say that I agree with OtherWorld. It *should* not be okay to call "Islam the most hateful ideology". The rest of Yuljan's post was mostly hyperbolic nonsense, but within the bounds of acceptable conversation.
I can't believe I also agree with DaPhreak, but I do. Opisska's crusade against moderation here is well known, but no, not all opinions are equal, and some should simply be kept to yourself. Examples of such opinions (well documented to not be allowed to be voiced on TL):
- Holocaust never happened.
- Holocaust did happen, and it was awesome. We should do it again asap.
- Black people were born to be slaves, and are generally inferior to whites.
- Muslims are bad people.
- Christians are bad people.
- If your woman is outside of the kitchen, the chain is too long.
- You, *specific person* and/or TL leadership, are *expletive*
It is simply not okay to voice your opinion like this: some are simply vulgar/rude, and others are gross misrepresentations/hyperbolic/racist. And I for one am glad that we try to keep this type of stuff away from TL. Lets never change that.
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There's a difference between hate speech and just plain speech of hate. To be fair, the post is full of hatred and unsubstantiated crap and entirely unpleasant to read, but that in itself should not be a bannable, unless it is in the thread rules.
"Islam is the most hateful doctrine in the world" is pretty close to the line though, but if that is bannable then I do not regard it as crossing the invisible line on the slippery slope. Others may regard that invisible line elsewhere though. It's not abusive, nor is it calling for violence, though I suppose that the argument could be called that it is likely to stir up racial hatred. In the end, the difference is that he said Islam, not muslims. If he said "muslims is the most hateful people in the world" then that would be bannable.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
KBB the great unbanner/unwarner... well you see something new every day.
Glad that ban got reversed and/or commuted.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Opisska: I'm sorry but what? Did you even read that small post of mine that you quoted from ABL? I say it right in the second part that I empathize with his situation. So, tell me, what do you expect me to do? Change his immigration laws? Fly over to where he's living and have a heart to heart conversation? The guy clearly made up his mind from his "extensive" experience. I mean, having "lived in a muslim dominated neighbourhood and also studied in a muslim country for half a year" clearly makes you an expert on the religion, Islam, right? After all, all muslims are perfect practitioners of Islam as well, aren't they? That's why all muslims see eye to eye on everything, right? Give me a fucking break. If he wanted to have an actual conversation, he would've phrased his whole post differently.
The guy clearly knew what he was posting because he's posted similar inflammatory posts in the past and got actioned for them by two separate mods (see posts below). He is free to disagree with Islam's principles and state that he doesn't believe it works with western values and that would've been fine, but, let's be real, his post had clearly hateful components and should've at least been warned but got banned precisely due to his mod history (Laurens).
On December 21 2015 02:34 Yuljan wrote:
The thing is you use poverty and unemployment to explain why muslims are overrepresented in crime in all European countries but the thing is they are overrepresented no matter the circumstances. Poverty is not the explanation. A backward 1000 year old culture combined with the fact that they dont seem to put any importance in education and you have our wonderful societies.
User was temp banned for this post.
On January 06 2016 07:22 Yuljan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 04:14 Tien wrote:
Germany is too afraid to just publicly say this unlimited refugee PR stunt was a massive mistake. Germany is also too afraid to mention that a large part of all violent crime is done by one particular group of immigrants and their descendants. But hey the German media is like the tl mods and you get banned/publicly exorcised if you ever mention that. The ting in cologne has happened for years but I guess they can't ignore it if a thousand get together and hide the aggressors. Also helps that our judicial enforcement is a joke and there is zero chance of any significant punishment. If you want to import millions of people from middle age so cities you should at least have the foresight to import their medieval punishment since violence is the only thing they seem to understand. User was temp banned for this post.
These posts were written about a month ago. I don't need to tell you what's wrong with either one, should be pretty obvious to anyone. So, what does he decide to do? Well, why not test TL mods again and have more direct bashing. I'm sorry but no. Part of his post was clear hate speech, cut and dry. There's no way around it. TL shouldn't be condoning such statements either. Otherworld's post explains his post in great detail so I would recommend reading it before commenting further.
As has been mentioned by some posters, this is a primarily starcraft site. Just because there is a general forum where other topics are discussed doesn't mean you can start bashing every thing you hate and think you should get a pass. If the guy is frustrated with how things are going, as mentioned in my earlier post, talk with close friends about it. Don't air your dirty laundry on TL!
While I typically don't disagree with Kadaver's actions because I think he's a great mod overall, this reversal isn't a great idea imo. These types of posts should not exist on TL. By reversing this, you essentially opened the floodgate for all similar comments bashing other religions and I don't think you realize the extent of it either. As Acrofales stated, there are clear lines that shouldn't be crossed on TL and it should've been left that way. I've seen way too forums become filled with racism once a mod decided to give leeway to a poster.
I'll respect the decision but suffice to say, I'm extremely disappointed that his post is allowed to stay with no repercussions. Like Otherworld, I would've also thought TL standards were the highest having spent so much of my time volunteering for the site so I hope this decision is reviewed.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
I'll be honest, I don't see either of those two posts as banworthy either (second one maybe for martyring but not for content). "Having a history" isn't particularly meaningful if said history comes from a set of bans that weren't worth giving.
He says what he says somewhat aggressively but there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "X group has shown itself disproportionately predisposed to violence and crime" in a manner that can barely be called aggressive, much less hateful.
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On January 26 2017 23:02 LegalLord wrote:
I'll be honest, I don't see either of those two posts as banworthy either (second one maybe for martyring but not for content). "Having a history" isn't particularly meaningful if said history comes from a set of bans that weren't worth giving.
He says what he says somewhat aggressively but there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "X group has shown itself disproportionately predisposed to violence and crime" in a manner that can barely be called aggressive, much less hateful.
Really?! Here are what I feel is perfectly banworthy (the rest is merely despiccable)
A backward 1000 year old culture combined with the fact that they dont seem to put any importance in education and you have our wonderful societies.
and from the second one:
If you want to import millions of people from middle age so cities you should at least have the foresight to import their medieval punishment since violence is the only thing they seem to understand.
How are these sentences in any way okay?
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OtherWorld, honestly, this post should (maybe with less annoyed aggresivity) have been essentially your reply to that guy, instead of the report (to be fair, I did not read the whole context, so I don't know if you haven't done so). There are some logical inconsistencies though, such as claiming that that populist parties are listening to the is a counterpoint to what I said - it isn't that's those people just listening to themselves, but that is not really the point.
I'd like to apologize to the mods for saying the things KBB is calling me out for - my only hope is that people who know me a little do essentially ignore all these attacking parts of what I write, because they know I talk like that to everyone, so it doesn't really mean much 
At any rate I am slightly glad I wrote all of that, because it got shit done.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
On January 26 2017 23:05 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2017 23:02 LegalLord wrote:
I'll be honest, I don't see either of those two posts as banworthy either (second one maybe for martyring but not for content). "Having a history" isn't particularly meaningful if said history comes from a set of bans that weren't worth giving.
He says what he says somewhat aggressively but there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "X group has shown itself disproportionately predisposed to violence and crime" in a manner that can barely be called aggressive, much less hateful. Really?! Here are what I feel is perfectly banworthy (the rest is merely despiccable) Show nested quote + A backward 1000 year old culture combined with the fact that they dont seem to put any importance in education and you have our wonderful societies. and from the second one: Show nested quote +If you want to import millions of people from middle age so cities you should at least have the foresight to import their medieval punishment since violence is the only thing they seem to understand. How are these sentences in any way okay?
What's wrong with saying that certain cultures are ass-backwards? People feel perfectly justified in saying the same about certain European countries whenever they do something that is looked upon unfavorably by the "EU" so why is this different?
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Germany25657 Posts
Just because you attack everybody doesn't mean its the right thing to do, that is a very poor excuse, just saying.
Since there is still internal discussion about this issue, we will take another look.
I'd appreciate if you guys could avoid turning this into Politics 3.0 since we already have 2.0 in Website feedback and one of those is enough.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
I think it would be good to, as the topic of this thread may imply, to clarify what is and isn't a "hateful post" since that topic comes up time and time again and continues to be a contentious issue.
The problem of perceived partisanship of moderation in the politics thread is not at all a new one.
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