US Politics Feedback Thread - Page 42

On January 19 2017 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
is the the message from the left "it's okay for black people to riot and break shit because they're not going to be able to get the attention of anyone through peaceful means." is that their message? if so, what's wrong with the post?

if its not then why can't people discuss in a civil manner exactly what the message from the left is?

On January 19 2017 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
is the the message from the left "it's okay for black people to riot and break shit because they're not going to be able to get the attention of anyone through peaceful means." is that their message? if so, what's wrong with the post?

if its not then why can't people discuss in a civil manner exactly what the message from the left is?

Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit whites and Negroes looted in unity.

A profound judgment of today's riots was expressed by Victor Hugo a century ago. He said, 'If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.'

The policymakers of the white society have caused the darkness; they create discrimination; they structured slums; and they perpetuate unemployment, ignorance and poverty. It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes; but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by law in the ghettos. Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of law; and he violates laws on equal employment and education and the provisions for civic services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Negroes live in them but do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison. Let us say boldly that if the violations of law by the white man in the slums over the years were calculated and compared with the law-breaking of a few days of riots, the hardened criminal would be the white man. These are often difficult things to say but I have come to see more and more that it is necessary to utter the truth in order to deal with the great problems that we face in our society.

On January 19 2017 05:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
so in 1917 or earlier the 2017 "message from the left" was answered? huh
what is the current, 2017 message from left? we know what xDaunt believes it is.

and what is stopping it from being discussed in a civil manner?

On January 19 2017 05:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it specifically states the "message from the left". so you are equating with anyone "from the left" as oppressed?
providing a concrete example: my mom is a Canadian NDP voter, pretty left wing. she made half a million dollars last year. u r saying she is oppressed?

On January 19 2017 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:

Maybe I misunderstood, I'm talking about BLM and it's real supporters. It's tough with words like "the left" since who that references depends on who's using it.
But in reference to violence and looting related to BLM the position is clear.

On January 23 2017 03:33 zlefin wrote:
frustration levels high, too many shitty posters making basic errors in argumentation in thread; and sticking to it long after being proven wrong, likewise continually asserting as true things without foundation that have long since been addressed very thoroughly.
I repeat my usual complaint, diatribe, and call for change and moderation.

On January 23 2017 05:50 IgnE wrote:
how long does it take to read 400 posts? and is it worth it?