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On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here
Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation.
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The silent majority, I believe, are the crowd who are capable of having a reasonable, measured discussion without throwing a hissy fit every time someone tells them to behave
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On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:....
Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation.
The vocal minority, on the other hand, has a profoundly warped view of what's really going on in the thread and should not be trusted to assess the moderation.
It's a sticky issue. Or rather, it would be if the mods had any particularly good reason to give a damn about either. Talking about politics is not the core business of the website.
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On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation.
Having been at the receiving end of a lot of that moderation, I am a certified expert in assessing its quality.
The current moderation is fine. It’s not perfect or magical. It doesn’t make me want to sing or dance. It’s fine. It gets the job done.
The people complaint about the moderation are the same small group that has always had an issue being told what they can or cannot do. Or folks who just want to post like passive agressive assholes all day hoping to bait out a ban.
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I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example?
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On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example?
People with the self awareness of a toaster are not going to be able to differentiate between your situation and the situation of the majority.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example?
Well I would certainly lump you into
The vocal minority, on the other hand, has a profoundly warped view of what's really going on in the thread and should not be trusted to assess the moderation.
if that's what you're asking.
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On July 25 2018 00:51 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? Well I would certainly lump you into Show nested quote +The vocal minority, on the other hand, has a profoundly warped view of what's really going on in the thread and should not be trusted to assess the moderation. if that's what you're asking.
What about my view is "profoundly warped" about what's really going on in the thread?
On July 25 2018 00:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? People with the self awareness of a toaster are not going to be able to differentiate between your situation and the situation of the majority.
hahahaha. Awwwwww
A man can dream.
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On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation.
On July 25 2018 00:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation. Having been at the receiving end of a lot of that moderation, I am a certified expert in assessing its quality. The current moderation is fine. It’s not perfect or magical. It doesn’t make me want to sing or dance. It’s fine. It gets the job done. The people complaint about the moderation are the same small group that has always had an issue being told what they can or cannot do. Or folks who just want to post like passive agressive assholes all day hoping to bait out a ban.
meaning no personal offense to either of you, i’d wager on average those with more actions are by far the least qualified to measure the moderations efficacy. either the actionee clearly cannot understand where exactly the line should be for common decency, or they are outright trolling and that alone bars them from having any meaningful input on the matter.
On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example?
i think what is most often the case is a person reads what a poster says and reads only what they expect to read from that poster. for instance, i have gotten no particular impression that anyone thinks your complaints are any better or worse than any others(with the exception of LL’s mistaken assumption.) my own opinion is that they are definitely better in terms of quality of complaint, but no different in their nature. (with strong exception to Jimmi’s PM; that’s outrageous.)
so many times a poster is saying one thing and the recipient hears another.
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On July 25 2018 00:56 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation. Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation. Having been at the receiving end of a lot of that moderation, I am a certified expert in assessing its quality. The current moderation is fine. It’s not perfect or magical. It doesn’t make me want to sing or dance. It’s fine. It gets the job done. The people complaint about the moderation are the same small group that has always had an issue being told what they can or cannot do. Or folks who just want to post like passive agressive assholes all day hoping to bait out a ban. meaning no personal offense to either of you, i’d wager on average those with more actions are by far the least qualified to measure the moderations efficacy. either the actionee clearly cannot understand where exactly the line should be for common decency, or they are outright trolling and that alone bars them from having any meaningful input on the matter. Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? i think what is most often the case is a person reads what a poster says and reads only what they expect to read from that poster. for instance, i have gotten no particular impression that anyone thinks your complaints are any better or worse than any others(with the exception of LL’s mistaken assumption.) my own opinion is that they are definitely better in terms of quality of complaint, but no different in their nature. (with strong exception to Jimmi’s PM; that’s outrageous.) so many times a poster is saying one thing and the recipient hears another.
Yeah that was posted in thread, not even a PM. It was Seekers idea for him to PM me garbage like that.
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On July 25 2018 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:51 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? Well I would certainly lump you into The vocal minority, on the other hand, has a profoundly warped view of what's really going on in the thread and should not be trusted to assess the moderation. if that's what you're asking. What about my view is "profoundly warped" about what's really going on in the thread?
The conversation where I try and convince you of that is not a worthwhile use of my time or yours.
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On July 25 2018 00:59 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 25 2018 00:51 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? Well I would certainly lump you into The vocal minority, on the other hand, has a profoundly warped view of what's really going on in the thread and should not be trusted to assess the moderation. if that's what you're asking. What about my view is "profoundly warped" about what's really going on in the thread? The conversation where I try and convince you of that is not a worthwhile use of my time or yours.
Aw this was one of those things New England town hall thingies then.
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On July 25 2018 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:59 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 25 2018 00:51 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? Well I would certainly lump you into The vocal minority, on the other hand, has a profoundly warped view of what's really going on in the thread and should not be trusted to assess the moderation. if that's what you're asking. What about my view is "profoundly warped" about what's really going on in the thread? The conversation where I try and convince you of that is not a worthwhile use of my time or yours. Aw this was one of those things New England town hall thingies then.
Well, you asked a question and I gave you a straight answer. I don't really feel the need to get baited into a shitshow on that basis. If that requires me to make a statement without in-depth discussion, so be it.
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On July 25 2018 01:03 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 25 2018 00:59 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 25 2018 00:51 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? Well I would certainly lump you into The vocal minority, on the other hand, has a profoundly warped view of what's really going on in the thread and should not be trusted to assess the moderation. if that's what you're asking. What about my view is "profoundly warped" about what's really going on in the thread? The conversation where I try and convince you of that is not a worthwhile use of my time or yours. Aw this was one of those things New England town hall thingies then. Well, you asked a question and I gave you a straight answer. I don't really feel the need to get baited into a shitshow on that basis.
You gave me a shitty unsupported answer that usually you would be critical of in your typically "lets be reasonable and look at the supporting evidence of the position" way, but it's more convenient for you in this case to do this. I do think you're right that plumbing any deeper would be a waste of time though.
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On July 25 2018 00:16 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say you what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here an interesting hypothesis; I wonder if enough of the silent people read this thread for a poll to be useful? iirc polls often get more people answering than are otherwise active in the thread. not sure about optimal settings to use; requiring logins is better for authentication, but idunno what the overall user base is like and how many people just read. let's see what we get Poll: How do you feel about the job Seeker is doing in US pol moderation(Vote): Strongly Approve
(Vote): Moderately Approve
(Vote): Slightly Approve
(Vote): Neutral
(Vote): Slightly Disapprove
(Vote): Moderately Disapprove
(Vote): Strongly Disapprove
The silent people probably don't know this thread exists. It's not even visible on non-starcraft versions of the site.
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On July 25 2018 01:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 01:03 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 25 2018 00:59 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 25 2018 00:51 Aquanim wrote:On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? Well I would certainly lump you into The vocal minority, on the other hand, has a profoundly warped view of what's really going on in the thread and should not be trusted to assess the moderation. if that's what you're asking. What about my view is "profoundly warped" about what's really going on in the thread? The conversation where I try and convince you of that is not a worthwhile use of my time or yours. Aw this was one of those things New England town hall thingies then. Well, you asked a question and I gave you a straight answer. I don't really feel the need to get baited into a shitshow on that basis. You gave me a shitty unsupported answer that usually you would be critical of in your typically "lets be reasonable and look at the supporting evidence of the position" way, but it's more convenient for you in this case to do this. I do think you're right that plumbing any deeper would be a waste of time though.
So you think I was right to drop it, but felt the need to take a shot at me anyway. Nice.
On a similar note, whether Jimmi should have been modactioned or not, it's pretty tasteless to bait him into crossing the line and then bitch in here when the mods wouldn't play ball.
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On July 25 2018 00:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:56 brian wrote:On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation. On July 25 2018 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation. Having been at the receiving end of a lot of that moderation, I am a certified expert in assessing its quality. The current moderation is fine. It’s not perfect or magical. It doesn’t make me want to sing or dance. It’s fine. It gets the job done. The people complaint about the moderation are the same small group that has always had an issue being told what they can or cannot do. Or folks who just want to post like passive agressive assholes all day hoping to bait out a ban. meaning no personal offense to either of you, i’d wager on average those with more actions are by far the least qualified to measure the moderations efficacy. either the actionee clearly cannot understand where exactly the line should be for common decency, or they are outright trolling and that alone bars them from having any meaningful input on the matter. On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? i think what is most often the case is a person reads what a poster says and reads only what they expect to read from that poster. for instance, i have gotten no particular impression that anyone thinks your complaints are any better or worse than any others(with the exception of LL’s mistaken assumption.) my own opinion is that they are definitely better in terms of quality of complaint, but no different in their nature. (with strong exception to Jimmi’s PM; that’s outrageous.) so many times a poster is saying one thing and the recipient hears another. Yeah that was posted in thread, not even a PM. It was Seekers idea for him to PM me garbage like that.
I'd assume people think it was a PM because they never saw it. The post was edited/deleted with an apology quite quickly. That doesn't make it right, but you look like a petty child at this point.
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On July 25 2018 01:11 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 00:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 25 2018 00:56 brian wrote:On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation. On July 25 2018 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 00:25 xDaunt wrote:On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here Let's be clear on one thing. The "silent majority" knows fuck all about what's really going on in the thread and is far from qualified to assess the moderation. Having been at the receiving end of a lot of that moderation, I am a certified expert in assessing its quality. The current moderation is fine. It’s not perfect or magical. It doesn’t make me want to sing or dance. It’s fine. It gets the job done. The people complaint about the moderation are the same small group that has always had an issue being told what they can or cannot do. Or folks who just want to post like passive agressive assholes all day hoping to bait out a ban. meaning no personal offense to either of you, i’d wager on average those with more actions are by far the least qualified to measure the moderations efficacy. either the actionee clearly cannot understand where exactly the line should be for common decency, or they are outright trolling and that alone bars them from having any meaningful input on the matter. On July 25 2018 00:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
I feel like my complaints, which are rather distinctive from pretty much everyone else's complaints here are being lumped into this discussion. Am I imagining that or are people just not taking the time to make the distinctions brian did for example? i think what is most often the case is a person reads what a poster says and reads only what they expect to read from that poster. for instance, i have gotten no particular impression that anyone thinks your complaints are any better or worse than any others(with the exception of LL’s mistaken assumption.) my own opinion is that they are definitely better in terms of quality of complaint, but no different in their nature. (with strong exception to Jimmi’s PM; that’s outrageous.) so many times a poster is saying one thing and the recipient hears another. Yeah that was posted in thread, not even a PM. It was Seekers idea for him to PM me garbage like that. I'd assume people think it was a PM because they never saw it. The post was edited/deleted with an apology. That doesn't make it right, but you look like a petty child at this point.
That's true for the uncle tom part (though that wasn't an apology), but the calling me racist thing for something like the third time was still there last time I checked.
Regardless it was less the not actioning him for calling me a racist uncle tom in the thread and more for Seeker telling him to PM that trash to me.
fwiw people finding this the time to get in on this discussion seems far more like childish grade school group dynamics than anything I've said.
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everyone is equally deserving of an opinion and a post. we all just want to be heard, right? that this happens to be the topic is what it is. i definitely feel stupid partaking every now and then though.
my apology on misunderstanding the uncle tom situation. the editing definitely makes it better. not good. but at least better, and i can understand now why it’s a little weird to mod it, but couldn’t possibly understand encouraging it. though i also don’t think anyone actually encouraged it; and rather this is a prime example of hearing what you expect as opposed to what was intended.
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On July 25 2018 01:23 brian wrote:
everyone is equally deserving of an opinion and a post. that this happens to be the topic is what it is. i definitely feel stupid partaking every now and then though.
my apology on misunderstanding the uncle tom situation. the editing definitely makes it better. not good. but at least better, and i can understand now why it’s a little weird to mod it, but couldn’t possibly understand encouraging it. though i also don’t think anyone actually encouraged it; and rather this is a prime example of hearing what you expect as opposed to what was intended.
He posted it, Seeker read it, told him to take it to PM's. I read what was there.
I also should have done you the service you did me and clarify I wasn't referencing your posts.
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