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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
On July 24 2018 21:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 21:40 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 21:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 24 2018 21:36 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 21:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 24 2018 21:13 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 13:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 24 2018 12:26 Seeker wrote:
When in doubt, just report it. The mods will handle the rest. It's much easier for us to carry out mod actions anyway if there are more reports to look at. On July 24 2018 12:27 Seeker wrote:
JimmiC, GH, you two need to take it to PMs. The constant bickering is mucking up this thread. If you can't discuss things in a civil manner, then just don't discuss them. Can you explain why I was instabanned (without discussion) for PM'ing something not nearly as bad as Jimmi said in the thread and your suggestion was for him to PM me that trash? When were you instabanned? This one: You have been temp banned for 1 week by Seeker.
Reason: GH, I can't do a temporary thread ban this time around because you were reported for a PM you sent.
The sole contents of the PM would have gotten you only a 2 day temp ban, but then the user provided evidence that shows that you've clearly targeted them before in the past. So when you come back from this 1 week ban, please leave then alone. But you can start with why in the hell you would tell him to PM me that garbage regardless of your previous actions against me. Because I said so? See? That wasn't so hard. Could have done that a long time ago and done away with the ever waning pretense. Could have saved you some time and effort too. Let me know when you want to talk like adults instead of being a whiny little teenager. When I find someone willing to have that talk I'll be sure you're the first to know.
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That help you guys understand the deal persecuted conservatives?
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To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled.
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On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled.
for the record, I'm perfectly content sharing it so people can come to their own conclusions.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled.
To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do.
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On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do.
I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like.
I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback.
Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice.
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for some opposing perspective. i find a lot of the complaints generally very childish in nature. if i were to guesstimate strictly my own personal thoughts on this thread (not the pol thread,) i’d respond with ‘just grow the fuck up’ seven times out of ten.
i’m not saying that’s the case in this very instance, and rather i would definitively say that is not the case. but keeping that in mind i find your criticisms over the top.
the amount of times people in this thread complain about being actioned for being an asshole when ‘but he was a bigger asshole yesterday!’ is ridiculous. it’s not a competition. we’re presumably adults, but people constantly run here as if Seeker’s daddy and we need some validation.
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On July 24 2018 22:48 brian wrote:
for some opposing perspective. i find a lot of the complaints generally very childish in nature. if i were to guesstimate strictly my own personal thoughts on this thread (not the pol thread,) i’d respond with ‘just grow the fuck up’ seven times out of ten.
i’m not saying that’s the case in this very instance, and rather i would definitively say that is not the case. but keeping that in mind i find your criticisms over the top.
the amount of times people in this thread complain about being actioned for being an asshole when ‘but he was a bigger asshole yesterday!’ is ridiculous. it’s not a competition. we’re presumably adults.
Look, if you want to say that GH can get a little overzealous about asking about being actioned... well I doubt you would find much contention there. But we seem to agree that this wasn’t a very correct response, even if sometimes it can be.
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while it’s definitely happened, i am specifically not calling out GH because it happens a lot, from many people, and he is not even remotely the majority offender. and even when it has in my own biased perspective i wouldn’t even rank it top 5 in childish. (and even then i would like to say top 10 but we just don’t have that many posters.)
and i did it just last page so don’t take this as any kind of soapbox, but you won’t see me complaining about it.
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I have no idea what was in the JimmiC post before the edit, so I can't comment on the question of moderation.
That being said, given that immediately prior GH was having a go at Jimmi's identity I can't say I have a great deal of sympathy as such for GH's position here.
And no, "I didn't mean any malice" doesn't get you off the hook.
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As for LegalLord's opinion, his purpose on the forum in any thread including this one appears to be mostly to shitstir so I would encourage the mods to ignore him. Probably preaching to the choir here tho.
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On July 24 2018 22:53 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 22:48 brian wrote:
for some opposing perspective. i find a lot of the complaints generally very childish in nature. if i were to guesstimate strictly my own personal thoughts on this thread (not the pol thread,) i’d respond with ‘just grow the fuck up’ seven times out of ten.
i’m not saying that’s the case in this very instance, and rather i would definitively say that is not the case. but keeping that in mind i find your criticisms over the top.
the amount of times people in this thread complain about being actioned for being an asshole when ‘but he was a bigger asshole yesterday!’ is ridiculous. it’s not a competition. we’re presumably adults. Look, if you want to say that GH can get a little overzealous about asking about being actioned... well I doubt you would find much contention there. But we seem to agree that this wasn’t a very correct response, even if sometimes it can be.
I don't think that particular aspect of the criticism was aimed at me (turns out that was right*). I think there may be some confusion about what my point about conservatives knowing the deal was about.
I wasn't saying that the complaints are all justified or their perceptions of persecution are accurate (or as problematic as they think if they were). Merely that we can dispense with the pretense of a moderation system based on substance and reason now and go to more comical ban reasons reflective of the capricious nature of the bans themselves.
More importantly in some ways, people can stop looking for a sensible explanation. If they still think it's coming they are only fooling themselves.
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United Kingdom10011 Posts
Its all a bit much, this, don't you think?
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This thread has reached Degrassi levels of petty drama. I’m kinda into it, if only for the laughs.
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On July 24 2018 23:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Its all a bit much, this, don't you think?
Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national TL opinion before it can be cured.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice.
This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place.
Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible.
If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod.
Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe.
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United Kingdom10011 Posts
On July 24 2018 23:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 23:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Its all a bit much, this, don't you think?
Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national TL opinion before it can be cured.
Irony works best when it is actually what you really think, yeah?
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On July 24 2018 23:48 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 23:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 24 2018 23:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Its all a bit much, this, don't you think?
Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national TL opinion before it can be cured. Irony works best when it is actually what you really think, yeah?
It's like seasoning. It takes just the right amount of truth and hyperbole, of course some people prefer to just inundate their food with salt if any seasoning at all.
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On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe.
I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions
Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here
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On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say you what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here
tbf the guy has already called me a racist upper class uncle tom. All of which are wrong, but more pertinently clearly outside the bounds of acceptable discourse (except they aren't because they're being accepted and to a degree defended) and I wouldn't like getting caught in such capricious behavior either.
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On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled. To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do. I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like. I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback. Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice. This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place. Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible. If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say you what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod. Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe. I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here
an interesting hypothesis; I wonder if enough of the silent people read this thread for a poll to be useful?
iirc polls often get more people answering than are otherwise active in the thread. not sure about optimal settings to use; requiring logins is better for authentication, but idunno what the overall user base is like and how many people just read.
let's see what we get
Poll: How do you feel about the job Seeker is doing in US pol moderation(Vote): Strongly Approve
(Vote): Moderately Approve
(Vote): Slightly Approve
(Vote): Neutral
(Vote): Slightly Disapprove
(Vote): Moderately Disapprove
(Vote): Strongly Disapprove
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