A Plea To Mods And We As A Community - Page 7

On May 03 2012 09:42 DharmaTurtle wrote:
Please take the time to read what I wrote - it's one of my shorter posts, and you address none of my points. Idra's stream was left featured during his ban not because of his posting history, but because the featured list was an impartial resource for people looking for streams to watch.

On May 03 2012 09:42 DharmaTurtle wrote:


Please take the time to read what I wrote - it's one of my shorter posts, and you address none of my points. Idra's stream was left featured during his ban not because of his posting history, but because the featured list was an impartial resource for people looking for streams to watch.

You have 8 posts, and all of them in this thread. Lurk my reddit history and TL history, and notice that I didn't say a single word in that catalyzing TL 150 page thread. Nor did I comment in the reddit thread. Not one single word. Don't lie.

Read my reply to koreasilver, your comment makes the same points his does.

On May 03 2012 09:57 lyonfront wrote:

Bullshit. It's not a impartial resource. TL chooses who gets featured, list their stream or not.

On May 03 2012 10:41 haileris wrote:
Look, I'm a really big fan of Destiny. I really hope this situation will let him understand others' perspectives. I'm fairly certain if he avoided any racist comments from the beginning, he'd be getting invitations to cast games left and right. He'd be tripping himself over invitations to fly all over the world to talk -- continuing this behavior hurts him more than anything else, and I'm perfectly willing to blow all my social capital with Destiny to push him along as a fan.

On May 03 2012 09:57 lyonfront wrote:


Bullshit. It's not a impartial resource. TL chooses who gets featured, list their stream or not. They will let you feature it as long as you abide by the site rules. You keep bringing up IdrA, how about i bring up Orb's stream which was banned by TL using racial slurs? Why do you ignore that?




You post in every Destiny thread at Reddit and that's why your name stands out. Also aren't you mod in his chat? You have 272 posts and majority of them are related to Destiny ?? It almost seems like it's his smurf.

Anyway, i created an account because this thread was being linked in Reddit and Destiny's chat to basically have people come here and post for Destiny. I thought it was bullshit that his fans were trying to peer pressure the mods.

Also bottom line, it won't get through Destiny's head that he is not above everyone else until his stream is banned. Banning his account here won't do shit because he will just ignore. He needs to be taught a lesson and this will. Anyway, it's pointless arguing with you, hope the mods stick to their guns.

On May 03 2012 15:19 DharmaTurtle wrote:

My post history in reverse order: Teamliquid API, Scarlett Fanclub, How to set volume controls as macros on Razer BW, JediGamer/Syndicate turning a new leaf, TL Hacker Database, Season 3!, Tasteless' voice, Megumixbear Fanclub, (q)Are keypads legal in tournaments or ladder?, Gimix Fan Club, An Apology to a Fan, No replays released from Anaheim, SpazCraft - Returning, MLG Anaheim 2011 Relay Race, EG signs PuMa, responds to criticism, [GSTL] Continuing Efforts, Puma leaves TSL for EG, and oh hey! [Stream] Destiny. On July 20, 2011. You got me - I'm his smurf. It's been 11 months since I've talked about him. I just waltz into every Destiny thread, don't I.

Yes, I am a mod. How is that relevant, beyond ad hominem?

I've already threatened to ban the chat morons who come in here to post garbage this morning before my first post. I've already (temp)banned people for going into Dragon's chat during his showmatch with Destiny and posting inflammatory comments. Point me to the people who are trying to peer pressure the mods and I'll mow them down. But for the past ~4 pages it's been the same ~15 people yakking, so I have no idea what you mean by peer pressure...

And again, you talk about how Destiny "needs to be taught a lesson". So for insulting someone's feelings over the Internet, TL is going to deprive him of a significant portion of his sole source of income? When they specifically didn't do so (and gave broad, sweeping reasons) when another famous streamer was banned? =\

@haileris: Damn straight. But given Destiny's ego...
Not even sure if he can log in to talk to TLadmin if he is banned. Oh well, I'm sure they have their methods.

On May 03 2012 22:47 lyonfront wrote:


Orb got banned for using racial slurs (before the shitstorm), IdrA dint. Why do you keeping picking IdrA's situation to compare to Destiny and not Orb? Why dint you voice your concern about mod's consistency then?

What part of this site being a private organization that does what's best for them do you not understand? Yes, banning his stream is the only way to teach him a lesson because that's the only thing that will make him pay attention to the issue. If you just banned his account for a year, he would not care because he doesn't use his TL account other than to advertise his stream.

He is not merely insulting people over internet, he is acting like he is above everyone else. He posted memes and troll comments in that thread. It has also been happening for long time. TL mods would have banned his stream even if he was making zero income from it. It's not their concern to worry about Destiny's finances. You act like a dick then they will take away what's precious to you.

It's Destiny's that has to learn his lesson and not act like a moron if he wants his stream unbanned which generates his income.


Also i brought up the fact you are mod, post mostly about Destiny is to make sure everyone knows you are very biased. Nothing wrong with that, just making sure people know.

On May 03 2012 23:21 ahtf wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Sure punish destiny if you are against what he is dooing but you need to uphold some kind of similar treatment between people.

PS: and yes this the same could have been said about the orb situation DS

On May 03 2012 23:27 JingleHell wrote:


I agree wholeheartedly, treat Destiny like any other foul-mouthed, non-contributer who only uses TL to promote his stream.

Perm, de-feature, and close threads about him.

On May 03 2012 23:44 ahtf wrote:


Sure lets do it. I don't have a huge problem with it. It will be a problem with the judging. Idra quite often has called people no lifes, idiots etc. Is that offensive enough, or is insulting one person ok?
Incontrol who is against foul language on his stream has the picture "im incontrol bitch", bitch is degrading comment against women, should he be defeatured until he removes it?
Alot of players use the word rape, which probably some rape victims have a problem with, should these players be banned?.
Heck some players and commentators use "oh my god" in a way some people will feel is insulting.

Stop trying to censors other peoples language, just don't listen to them. People have a choice to go watch streams, don´t watch destinys stream if you don´t like his language. Do we really need a third party to come in and be a moral judge.

I say that tl should let people say what they want on their own streams or enforce the same rules on all, if that rule you can´t insult people they will have alot of banning to do.

On May 03 2012 23:49 JingleHell wrote:


Right. IdrA and Incontrol, definitely in the same category of contributions as Destiny. Not quite. But hey, ignore the key part there.

I find it vaguely ironic you tell me not to censor other people's language, when merely uttering that phrase constitutes raw, unadultered hypocrisy. You're trying to censor what you perceive as an attempt at censorship. If Destiny has a "right" to be offensive, there's certainly no room to complain about people's reactions to what he says.

Aside from that, I won't waste effort on a rebuttal to all the words you put in my mouth.

On May 03 2012 23:44 ahtf wrote:


Sure lets do it. I don't have a huge problem with it. It will be a problem with the judging. Idra quite often has called people no lifes, idiots etc. Is that offensive enough, or is insulting one person ok?
Incontrol who is against foul language on his stream has the picture "im incontrol bitch", bitch is degrading comment against women, should he be defeatured until he removes it?
Alot of players use the word rape, which probably some rape victims have a problem with, should these players be banned?.
Heck some players and commentators use "oh my god" in a way some people will feel is insulting.

Stop trying to censors other peoples language, just don't listen to them. People have a choice to go watch streams, don´t watch destinys stream if you don´t like his language. Do we really need a third party to come in and be a moral judge.

I say that tl should let people say what they want on their own streams or enforce the same rules on all, if that rule you can´t insult people they will have alot of banning to do.

On May 03 2012 23:57 andrewlt wrote:



Frankly, this type of logic is just childish. You're exaggerating and stretching analogies way too far. The world is not black and white. Some words are stronger than others. Some words are more hurtful than others. Some insults cross the line. Some don't. Society, or in this case, TL mods, decides and it is a common naive view of young people that they are somehow above and beyond societal norms.

Contrary to what is taught in school, words are very powerful. People whose occupations make them public personalities are held to a higher standard. What Destiny said in his stream is unacceptable for any public figure to say. He chose an occupation that puts him in the same league as reality TV stars, athletes, entertainers and other media types.

On May 03 2012 23:55 ahtf wrote:




Well I still dont judge how accepted insults should be after how big contribution they do in other case to the community. Destiny raced 32k dollars for doctors without borders, I think thats the biggest contribtuion the starcraft community has ever gotten. The goodwill for such things are immense. Especially from the scene outside of starcraft which people keeps talking about all the time.

Your second part is just strange. I havn't said you can't write that you think destiny is wrong etc, go ahead do it. Removing his stream and banning him is censoring. Saying that you think his language is foul-mouth and that you think people shouldn't watch him aint censoring. Saying a person is wrong is not censoring. Censoring is to supress someone from speaking.

On May 04 2012 00:02 ahtf wrote:



Well in 29 and work for the state with a lot of contact with the public. I agree with you, but what adults also know is that anyh punishments must be fair and based on the same standards. And you cant punish some and let other pass on a whim.
And your believes about words are not a fact. Destiny seldom use the language he uses on his stream outside of it. Trying to prevent people to use words "society" dosn't like is a trait strong in some countries. The strange things these countries usually don't ahve less racism, crime or anything else.

On May 03 2012 23:21 ahtf wrote:



Because we probably didn't care about orb enough to discuss it. Everyone has their bar to reach before they find it worth discussing something on the internet. And orb didn't reach mine, and probably several other of destinys fans who has the same reason.


You say he dosn´t use his tl account, and follow that up with that destiny has posted trolls and memes etc for a long time. Does he use his account or not? Or do you mean he does it outside of TL. If TL has decided to take a moral stand on all streamers and ban etc for what they say outside of tl or on their streams the admins will have alot of work to do.

Your third point: Yes tl is a privat organization who can do what ever they want within the law, does that somehow remove the right from us users/customers to critize and try to get a complete answer from them. If a company whatever it is don't deliver a product im satisfied with I will complain, for example ending of mass effect 3. Why should I hold TL to a different standard then any other privat organization(bioware)?

Before someone post "then leave" etc, this issue dosn't reach my bar for boycotting a organization as little as the mass effect 3 ending will have me boycotting bioware.


TL state in their rules that the moderating won't be fair but that they will try to hold it fair. I don't believe they tried to be fair this time which is why im complaining. Sure punish destiny if you are against what he is dooing but you need to uphold some kind of similar treatment between people.

PS: and yes this the same could have been said about the orb situation DS

On May 04 2012 00:02 ahtf wrote:

Well in 29 and work for the state with a lot of contact with the public. I agree with you, but what adults also know is that anyh punishments must be fair and based on the same standards. And you cant punish some and let other pass on a whim.
And your believes about words are not a fact. Destiny seldom use the language he uses on his stream outside of it. Trying to prevent people to use words "society" dosn't like is a trait strong in some countries. The strange things these countries usually don't ahve less racism, crime or anything else.

On May 04 2012 00:02 ahtf wrote:



Well in 29 and work for the state with a lot of contact with the public. I agree with you, but what adults also know is that anyh punishments must be fair and based on the same standards. And you cant punish some and let other pass on a whim.
And your believes about words are not a fact. Destiny seldom use the language he uses on his stream outside of it. Trying to prevent people to use words "society" dosn't like is a trait strong in some countries. The strange things these countries usually don't ahve less racism, crime or anything else.