[D] Blizzard Banning for Single Player Cheats - Page 7
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Fredo510
United States7 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:48 Half wrote: Then why did you respond LOL. My response wasn't idiotic. Please stop, this is the SC2 general forum. | ||
BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:48 Half wrote: You realized I was responding to someone who was comparing the same to vigilante serial killers right? i didn't, actually, so i guess i must apologize. it doesn't make your analogy less ridiculous, though, i hope you realize that. | ||
DrakanSilva
Chile932 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:23 Half wrote: Recently, Blizzard has banned several community members for using third party cheats in single player games and custom games versus AI. The cheats being used were not the maphacks or drophacks we're accustomed to in multiplayer games, but rather, "Trainers", local game hacks used to manipulate local, offline, play. These work in single player, but not in multiplayer, because single player games are entirely local, and only upload critical achievement and completion data onto multiplayer. In practice, the work functionally identical to exploiting in game single player exploits, or the use of blizzard sanctioned cheat codes. The same report was also confirmed in the Rock Paper Shotgun gaming blog The end result is that the several hundreds of people received account bans for cheating in Starcraft 2's single player component, without any prior warning that this would occur. In reality, this entails blizzard will ban for any modifications or programs that interfere with the game, regardless of the effect, and that they have complete administrative control over your Starcraft 2 account. It also implies that programs such as warden will be running, regardless of your format of play. Thoughts? (Original reported by Cheathappens.com. They don't host maphacks or any competitive hack, only single player trainers, which have traditionally never been the subject of controversy) Thoughts ? Well done... you want to play games with trainer ? then be smarter and install it not using your legal copy / cdkey / bnet account. It's not a big deal... it might be the first time that a company does that to their users but hey... somebody have to do it for the first time... Cheating in singleplayer or in multiplayer to show-off to the community that you have "MORE" of what you deserve should be banned. It doesn't matter if it is 1v1 games, or achievement points, or ladder points... | ||
Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:54 BulldogBCN wrote: i didn't, actually, so i guess i must apologize. it doesn't make your analogy less ridiculous, though, i hope you realize that. What? I wasn't even making an analogy lol. Its called an example. Specifically why you need to stop confusing corporate policy with legal policy. Please stop, this is the SC2 general forum. Please. | ||
Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:46 Half wrote: Where? I haven't seen a single bit of legal defense for this move more complex then "The TOS said so duuuddee". It's Blizzard's game. They specified all of the rules within the terms of service, which you signed and agreed to abide by, when you activated your account. If you violate these rules, they can do whatever they want to your account about it. So ask, did you violate these rules? You modified Blizzard files you agreed not to. Thus, they removed you from the game. + Show Spoiler + Additional License Limitations. The license granted to you in Section 1 is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the "License Limitations"). Any use of the Service or any Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard's copyrights in and to the Service and/or Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience; Account Suspension/Cancelation. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. Accounts terminated by Blizzard for any type of abuse, including without limitation a violation of these Terms of Use, will not be reactivated for any reason. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this TOU, a Game EULA or other Blizzard policy. from: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html | ||
Phanekim
United States777 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:57 vica wrote: It's Blizzard's game. They specified all of the rules within the terms of service, which you signed and agreed to abide by, when you activated your account. If you violate these rules, they can do whatever they want to your account about it. So ask, did you violate these rules? You modified Blizzard files you agreed not to. Thus, they removed you from the game. + Show Spoiler + Additional License Limitations. The license granted to you in Section 1 is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the "License Limitations"). Any use of the Service or any Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard's copyrights in and to the Service and/or Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience; Account Suspension/Cancelation. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. Accounts terminated by Blizzard for any type of abuse, including without limitation a violation of these Terms of Use, will not be reactivated for any reason. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this TOU, a Game EULA or other Blizzard policy. = "The TOS said so duuuddee". If you feel that response is inadequate the reread the thread, you're not making any new or relevant points here, so you can just mill over whats been said already. | ||
throttled
United States382 Posts
....so whats your counter argument to that simple, yet incredibly conclusive statement again? | ||
stevensegal
Canada3 Posts
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 12 2010 06:02 PokePill wrote: Nice sensationalist original post. They are 14 day bans. You are completely invalidating their service by farming achievements, it's no different than anything else they ban you for, there is no gray line at all, you are cheating. http://www.cheathappens.com/show_board.asp?titleID=13225 No. Seriously, this thread has officially come full circle or something. Think i'll stop being a forum warrior and let you guys have some fun D:. (At guy below me: Seriously is reading the entire thread that hard for you? I don't think you people have produced any new or original arguments for four pages now that haven't been addressed in the previous four) | ||
Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:59 Half wrote: = If you feel that response is inadequate the reread the thread, you're not making any new or relevant points here, so you can just mill over whats been said already. You gave up your rights when you signed their terms of service. This is a service, not a product. Do not mistake the two. All you are holding is a blank cd and a key that lets you access the service. It can be terminated at anytime for any reason whatsoever. | ||
BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:57 Half wrote: What? I wasn't even making an analogy lol. Its called an example. Specifically why you need to stop confusing corporate policy with legal policy. you trivialized corporate crime by comparing it to blizzard banning cheaters. i don't care what you want to call it, it is what it is. | ||
fireb0rn
Canada15 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 12 2010 06:05 BulldogBCN wrote: you trivialized corporate crime by comparing it to blizzard banning cheaters. i don't care what you want to call it, it is what it is. Except I never compared it to blizzard cheaters D:, nor did I even compare anything at all. Man you're hopeless bro. | ||
kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 12 2010 06:02 stevensegal wrote: I don't use any trainers or cheats and I never have gotten banned No one dares ban you, you'll break their bones with your aikido. | ||
Bey
United States78 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:23 Half wrote: Recently, Blizzard has banned several community members for using third party cheats in single player games and custom games versus AI. ... These work in single player... upload critical achievement and completion data onto multiplayer. ... (emphasis added) All of the ToS and legal arguments going on in this thread are missing the point. Because of the acheivement system, "single player" in SC2 *is a form of multi-player.* Your accomplishments are public, viewable to everyone, and scored in a way that is meant to be comparable. One need look no further than WoW to know that some players take achievement play very seriously. If you are against cheating in multiplayer, I think common sense and basic reason compels you to stand against this form of cheating too. Personal feelings aside (I don't give a shit about achieves either), it *is not* "single-player" in the traditional sense of the word, and shouldn't be treated as such. You used a 3rd party program to modify game data, and the record of this game was then sent to their servers and out to the rest of the world. You cheated. You should be banned. | ||
Paver
Australia105 Posts
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On October 12 2010 06:05 fireb0rn wrote: Why, when something like this happens, do people automatically jump and say "it's in the EULA, so it's fine"? We KNOW that it is legal for Blizzard to do this. The only question is whether it is just/reasonable for them to do it. The fact that people are undermining the achievement system is a problem, but the punishment is clearly not proportionate to the crime. If the problem is that they are getting achievement points they don't deserve, why would you not just disable achievements on their account? Why would you ban someone for something--using trainers, hacks in SP--that is acceptable in 100% of other games? It's ridiculous. Either method of punishment (disabling points / banning) works perfectly as a deterrent/punishment, but I suppose only one potentially makes Blizzard more money, so I guess their reasoning is pretty self-explanatory... What if it's acceptable in other games? Does that make it right? No. I have not seen a single game where it is acceptable to cheat. They did disable achievements. They also gave you the cheats, and a warning that said, if you use cheats, it'll disable achievements. These players clearly wanted to bypass that. It's reasonable because they own the game. They let you play it. You start messing around with their game, and they have every right to stop you from playing it. Achievements are part of multiplayer, so what you do in single player, even if you think has no effect, is transferred into multiplayer. If you cheat in single player, you're cheating in multiplayer, and no one will argue you should keep your account after cheating in multiplayer. | ||
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