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On January 16 2025 18:07 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2025 08:09 Zambrah wrote:On January 16 2025 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On January 16 2025 05:41 Uldridge wrote:
Do you think they're racist and sexist because they want to be racist and sexist and simply go like: that's the party for me, the racist, sexist party where they let you be racist and sexist!
The problem I'm having is that I agree with you, but in order to dissect what makes them the way they do, you need to understand their anatomy. You have done no such thing. It's like you're looking at a sick person and proclaiming: this is a sick person. What you need to do is find out what makes them sick, so that you can heal them, not point out they have a runny nose and are coughing incessantly.
You can find common ground without the need for calling them sexist and racist - which so far has only hurt Democrats and will continue to do so - and then you can calmly pull these people back to center. Meanwhile, Republicans only seem to be going full steam ahead while the Democrats are in an existential crisis, crying out that this is, in fact, the darkest timeline. Or maybe I'm just misreading the situation completely. They grew up in conservative America and were never taught critical thinking in school. Nor did America ever actually resolve the civil war, still seeing the effects of that. Add to that America itself just being fucked from top to bottom so people are stuck in hopeless situations with little to no way of getting themselves out of the hole they are in so they will latch on to anyone promising them unicorns because the people who offered them realistic solutions haven't delivered either, for a wide variety of reasons from opposition rat fuckery, to internal division. That won't stop me from considering them idiots of the highest order for voting for a convicted felon found liable for sexual assault that already spend 4 years fucking them over and literally killing them. I think this is pretty much right, and entirely fair, the only thing I'd ask is do you see these people as irredeemable? In an ideal world with proper outreach and years of time, perhaps. In modern social media bubbles, fake news and outrage. I don't think so. Life long indoctrination is hard to break without the ability to take them out of the environment that indoctrinated them in the first place. A few might get personally impacted by the shitshow they voted for and regret their choice but I would suspect most of those would also just hitch their wagon to the next populist to come along. Their personal situation isn't going to improve, they will still be desperate for any form of change.
Yeah, I basically agree, thank you for indulging me with your extrapolation. 
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Norway28529 Posts
Which, tbh, is surprising and maybe something Trump will deserve credit for? I'm reading that Israeli officials have said that the guy Trump sent to land (Steve Witkoff) the deal has been.. rather undiplomatic. But if his first move is strongarming Nethanyahu into accepting a ceasefire then color me happy to be wrong.
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On January 17 2025 07:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Which, tbh, is surprising and maybe something Trump will deserve credit for? I'm reading that Israeli officials have said that the guy Trump sent to land (Steve Witkoff) the deal has been.. rather undiplomatic. But if his first move is strongarming Nethanyahu into accepting a ceasefire then color me happy to be wrong.
The disgust that would be righteously aimed at Democrats and their supporters for their support of Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign only for Trump of all people to put a stop to it would be devastating for Democrats political prospects.
They basically need Trump to make it worse like they said to rationalize their support for Democrats while they aided and abetted what they themselves identified as genocide.
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Northern Ireland23377 Posts
On January 17 2025 08:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2025 07:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Which, tbh, is surprising and maybe something Trump will deserve credit for? I'm reading that Israeli officials have said that the guy Trump sent to land (Steve Witkoff) the deal has been.. rather undiplomatic. But if his first move is strongarming Nethanyahu into accepting a ceasefire then color me happy to be wrong. The disgust that would be righteously aimed at Democrats and their supporters for their support of Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign only for Trump of all people to put a stop to it would be devastating for Democrats political prospects. They basically need Trump to make it worse like they said to rationalize their support for Democrats while they aided and abetted what they themselves identified as genocide.
Would it? It really depends what the ceasefire looks like. If Trump can strong arm relevant leadership into peace deals/ceasefires in Palestine and Ukraine respectively that aren’t shit tier for those peoples, fair play.
This does of course go both ways to a degree, outside of absolutism (which isn’t without its place either), if a Trump-brokered ceasefire is shit tier, maybe there were substantive differences between the candidates and parties on this specific issue. Which people could perhaps concede.
I dunno really, I think it’s perfectly plausible that Netanyahu was just playing for time until someone (even) more in his court was in play, but we’ll have to see how it develops.
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Israels right-wing is always cynically cultivating a domestic threat, to release it before elections.
Terror attacks tip elections in favor of Netanyahu, he can't continiue the war and leave "No Hamas".
If he did, he'd need to attack Iran next.
Without a threat, the hardliners do have nothing to offer in democratic elections.
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