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On January 16 2025 08:57 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2025 08:39 RenSC2 wrote:On January 16 2025 07:52 BlackJack wrote:On January 16 2025 07:06 RenSC2 wrote:On January 16 2025 05:10 BlackJack wrote:
If Trump's shooter was 2 inches to the right we'd be 1 week away from inaugurating an Indian woman as Republican President. A natural representative for racist misogynist white males. I was not aware JD Vance is an Indian woman. If you meant Haley, Trump beat her 2268-97 on delegates. I’m not so sure the republican base would come out for her, they didn’t during the primaries. Nor did they for any other candidate whose rhetoric was less inflammatory towards minorities than Trump. Was there any candidate more inflammatory? JD Vance wouldn't be relevant in that hypothetically because running mates aren't generally chosen by dead people Vance was announced 2 days after the assassination attempt, so admittedly I was slightly off on the timeline as I assumed he was already announced by then. Still, the Trump team likely already knew Trump’s VP choice at that point and would likely push Vance (or Don Jr). I’d suspect there’d be quite an internal battle amongst republicans. I’m not so sure that Haley would win it. Even if she did, I’m also not so sure that republicans would come out to vote for her in large enough numbers to beat Harris, especially after a late contentious internal battle. There’s no reason to assume a majority of republicans would actually support an Indian woman. Yet amazingly she's a twice elected governor of South Carolina defeating scores of white men in the primary process. Imagine that.
Scores of white men? 3 other Republican men in the 2010 primary and then the same democrat twice. Wow, scores. Or 4, depending on if we know how to count.
She also got those votes before the Trump takeover of the party which has noticeably turned the party more outwardly racist and sexist. Again, your assertion that she would have somehow been voted in by a bunch of angry white males in the Trump era seems extremely speculative.
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I don’t know why people are indulging BlackJack’s bad faith pretending that he has never met a conservative. One of these days he’s going to insist he doesn’t know that water is wet and demand that people prove it to him.
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On January 16 2025 09:17 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2025 08:57 BlackJack wrote:On January 16 2025 08:39 RenSC2 wrote:On January 16 2025 07:52 BlackJack wrote:On January 16 2025 07:06 RenSC2 wrote:On January 16 2025 05:10 BlackJack wrote:
If Trump's shooter was 2 inches to the right we'd be 1 week away from inaugurating an Indian woman as Republican President. A natural representative for racist misogynist white males. I was not aware JD Vance is an Indian woman. If you meant Haley, Trump beat her 2268-97 on delegates. I’m not so sure the republican base would come out for her, they didn’t during the primaries. Nor did they for any other candidate whose rhetoric was less inflammatory towards minorities than Trump. Was there any candidate more inflammatory? JD Vance wouldn't be relevant in that hypothetically because running mates aren't generally chosen by dead people Vance was announced 2 days after the assassination attempt, so admittedly I was slightly off on the timeline as I assumed he was already announced by then. Still, the Trump team likely already knew Trump’s VP choice at that point and would likely push Vance (or Don Jr). I’d suspect there’d be quite an internal battle amongst republicans. I’m not so sure that Haley would win it. Even if she did, I’m also not so sure that republicans would come out to vote for her in large enough numbers to beat Harris, especially after a late contentious internal battle. There’s no reason to assume a majority of republicans would actually support an Indian woman. Yet amazingly she's a twice elected governor of South Carolina defeating scores of white men in the primary process. Imagine that. Scores of white men? 3 other Republican men in the 2010 primary and then the same democrat twice. Wow, scores. Or 4, depending on if we know how to count. She also got those votes before the Trump takeover of the party which has noticeably turned the party more outwardly racist and sexist. Again, your assertion that she would have somehow been voted in by a bunch of angry white males in the Trump era seems extremely speculative.
Right... she would never survive in the Trump era... when Republicans have noticeably turned more outwardly racist and sexist.
Or as the Washington Post puts it in this headline from 2020
Republicans have elected a record number of women and minorities.
So your argument is that Nikki Haley could not survive as a woman minority in Republican politics at a time when Republicans are electing more women and minorities than ever? I think it's time to stop digging.
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I just wanna know what the republicans plans are to help mitigate climate change, improve access to healthcare so everyone has coverage, improve healthcare outcomes, and reduce cost of healthcare. Lastly to bring the price of everday goods, food, etc back to 2019 levels.
Curious to hear those plans
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Wasn't Haley the pick of female Republicans and moderates? While Trump took the overwhelming vote from just about everyone else?
What does it matter what Trump says his plans are. Along with the whole grocery prices are not going down, I'm not ending the war in a day, not all the Jan 6'rs will be getting pardons, just kidding on the whole two trillion dollar cuts thing maybe we could get somewhat close to 1 trillion.
What he says is pointless because as soon as someone with a bigger offer for him personally shows up the plans will change and the mob will move with him.
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On January 16 2025 10:54 Sadist wrote:
I just wanna know what the republicans plans are to help mitigate climate change, improve access to healthcare so everyone has coverage, improve healthcare outcomes, and reduce cost of healthcare. Lastly to bring the price of everday goods, food, etc back to 2019 levels.
Curious to hear those plans
Why would they have plans for those? They sincerely don't believe those are important.
Edit: Except for bringing down the price of food, I guess, in which case their plans are "tariffs" and "trade wars" and "deport the agricultural labor force", which would all raise the price of food.
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On January 16 2025 11:13 Billyboy wrote:
Wasn't Haley the pick of female Republicans and moderates? While Trump took the overwhelming vote from just about everyone else?
What does it matter what Trump says his plans are. Along with the whole grocery prices are not going down, I'm not ending the war in a day, not all the Jan 6'rs will be getting pardons, just kidding on the whole two trillion dollar cuts thing maybe we could get somewhat close to 1 trillion.
What he says is pointless because as soon as someone with a bigger offer for him personally shows up the plans will change and the mob will move with him.
Most Republicans and Democrats are moderates.
In the case of an assassination immediately before the RNC, the nominee would have been selected by the 2,429 delegates that met in 2024. Haley would've been an extremely possible outcome.
In the case of an assassination after the primary winner was clear, but significantly before the convention, it is maybe possible that the committee could consider holding a special turbo redo primary and postpone the convention? The reason is the 2024 convention was significantly in advance of the general election making it feasible in a calendar sense. But that would have to start from canceling the original convention plan, when everybody had everything booked and ready to meet in Milwaukee and choose the nominee, and then having the state parties work out a new vote if possible. The only similar situation I know of is when RFK was killed in the middle of the primaries, and they just continued normally.
People with the ambition to affect change do not start from a position of trying to do less than they think is possible. This is why he's president and we're whining on the internet.
On January 16 2025 08:39 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2025 07:52 BlackJack wrote:On January 16 2025 07:06 RenSC2 wrote:On January 16 2025 05:10 BlackJack wrote:
If Trump's shooter was 2 inches to the right we'd be 1 week away from inaugurating an Indian woman as Republican President. A natural representative for racist misogynist white males. I was not aware JD Vance is an Indian woman. If you meant Haley, Trump beat her 2268-97 on delegates. I’m not so sure the republican base would come out for her, they didn’t during the primaries. Nor did they for any other candidate whose rhetoric was less inflammatory towards minorities than Trump. Was there any candidate more inflammatory? JD Vance wouldn't be relevant in that hypothetically because running mates aren't generally chosen by dead people Vance was announced 2 days after the assassination attempt, so admittedly I was slightly off on the timeline as I assumed he was already announced by then. Still, the Trump team likely already knew Trump’s VP choice at that point and would likely push Vance (or Don Jr). I’d suspect there’d be quite an internal battle amongst republicans. I’m not so sure that Haley would win it. Even if she did, I’m also not so sure that republicans would come out to vote for her in large enough numbers to beat Harris, especially after a late contentious internal battle. There’s no reason to assume a majority of republicans would actually support an Indian woman.
Don Jr. was all-in on Vance so that doesn't make sense. He didn't offer Vance the spot until after getting shot and there's no evidence he had decided before the assassination attempt.
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DeSantis was the second choice of Trump voters the whole time even while Trump was trashing him. He's the most likely person Trump delegates would have gone for. Haley was technically second but never could have gathered majority support. just imo
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On January 16 2025 11:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2025 10:54 Sadist wrote:
I just wanna know what the republicans plans are to help mitigate climate change, improve access to healthcare so everyone has coverage, improve healthcare outcomes, and reduce cost of healthcare. Lastly to bring the price of everday goods, food, etc back to 2019 levels.
Curious to hear those plans
Why would they have plans for those? They sincerely don't believe those are important. Edit: Except for bringing down the price of food, I guess, in which case their plans are "tariffs" and "trade wars" and "deport the agricultural labor force", which would all raise the price of food.
Probably also removing food regulations. Making food cheaper, but also full of lead.
And of course reducing taxes for the superrich. Because trickle down or something like that.
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