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In what way is Kaido being softened or weakened? The opposite is happening, Odas concocting a huge amounts of "but alsos" to establish that even when Luffy wins it wasnt because he alone is stronger than Kaido, but because Kaido had to fight what, Zoro, Kidd, Law, Luffy twice, and Yamato, and so far hes beat their asses proper sans Luffy at this point.
Kaidos doesnt look soft or weak at all, to the contrary hes making everyone he fought minus Big Mom look like a chump, and Luffy has had to go up against him multiple times after healing while Kaido has basically been fighting non stop.
No matter how you look at Kaido hes been shown to be an utter beast.
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On January 01 2022 17:30 Shinokuki wrote:
dude this is all head cannon. WB pirate's will power decreased? You telling me wb pirates did not have the will power to overwhelm akainu when WB himself told marco and others to defend luffy at all cost? Isn't this your own head cannon? Entire marine force? Where the hell did you get that info? Also, who the hell cares about fodder marines? We see literally Akainu and fodder marines by his side. We don't even see any vice admirals. Akainu didn't get ANY help unlike luffy/zoro. He climbed out of that abyss out of his own will which means he was not sidelined. Luffy and Zoro got ass pull medicine and were saved by various people because they were sidelined and out for good UNTIL someone saved them. There's a difference here man.
They were literally running away. This is a classic RPG lowering of status. Its also straight cannon in the OP Marineford arc. Almost all the instances of major Whitebeard officers losing an encounter (Jozu and Marco come to mind immediately) are in response to them experiencing extreme negative emotions.
On January 01 2022 17:30 Shinokuki wrote: Also, marineford was just a mess of a power scaling arc. There's a data book (backed by oda's official words) that Mihawk is waiting for someone who can surpass his rival Shanks to eventually challenge him again for the throne. Mihawk alone would've faced against shanks no problem. One admiral alone could solo entire red hair pirates as seen by akainu easily brushing off vista/marco attack and also soling entire wb pirates. Idk what makes you think shanks could handle marines. There were also legends like garp who was probably stronger than WB at the time since WB was sick. Marines were well equipped to deal with anything. Hence, the reason why goroseis talk about the great cleansing.
Marineford's purpose is to show us all that Luffy is weak, yes. It might be an unreliable narrator on the details. If it is reliable, it means Whitebeard was, at best, 25% his peak, because of the confidence of the Red Hair Pirates. If it isn't, the narrator has opted to show the person who has injured Luffy and killed Ace in the most powerful possible light to show what the protagonist (in this world, a historian writing a Luffy biography) overcame.
The reality is the Red Hair Pirates ended the war, even though the situation they stepped into seemed approximately the same as the one the Whitebeard Pirates went into. Why? The answer is that prime Shanks >>> Almost Dead Whitebeard, even if prime WB > Shanks.
I'm just waiting until admirals show their power. It's getting more obvious and one piece fans still deny this. I honestly dont understand it. I remember when people like you said doffy = admiral or luffy is now equal to admiral after time skip. And then it was katakuri = admiral. Now people are backtracking to say admiral is slightly below yonko level. It's just waiting game now until people see the obvious truth to all of this.
On January 01 2022 17:30 Shinokuki wrote: Also, plot is everything in one piece. Oda isn't a consistent writer. He's pretty bad at it. pre gear 2/haki less luffy beat crocodile who then got locked up in marineford only to stalemate Doffy who would eventually beat law and overwhelm G4 less luffy. It just doesn't make sense man. From story perspective, it's obvious Akainu is gonna be on par with kaido. I give you that kaido is strongest right now but oda is doing everything he can to soften and weaken kaido so Luffy doesn't go all the way to top.
Modern Akainu? Almost certainly has climbed to Kaido levels after his two haki boosts of fighting Whitebeard and Aokiji. That is pretty irrelevant. Its like saying Kaoikenx4 Goku = Frieza because SSJ Goku = Frieza.
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On January 01 2022 14:56 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2022 12:19 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2022 09:41 Shinokuki wrote:On January 01 2022 09:19 Sentenal wrote: How come when Whitebeard punches Akainu's shit in, it has to get explained by "uhhh sneak attack!" This Akainu-apologism is just insane and insulting to both characters. There are literally only two explanations for the "sneak attack". One, Akainu took his focus off of Whitebeard in the middle of a battle where he was obviously the most dangerous combatant on the battlefield and got punished for it (which makes it a point against Akainu). Or two, Whitebeard's rage at the time was enough to fuel him to close the distance on Akainu faster than Akainu was able to react/put up an effective defense against (which makes it a point for Whitebeard). And then implying that Akainu putting a hole in Whitebeard's face was what eventually killed him? Nah, that was Blackbeard's crew.
I don't think either character "whopped" the other's ass, as they both clearly dealt colossal damage to each other, but I don't see how you can read Whitebeard and Akainu's final encounter, where Whitebeard literally punches him through the fucking island, and say "yea, Akainu won that one" What colossal damage? Akainu wasn't even hurt. He faced entire WB pirates after that and didn't even need recovery to go chase entire BB pirates. You either didn't actually read what what happened, or are legitimately insane: https://i.imgur.com/i6fPQV9.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/H2BubaI.jpg Shouldn't he have been sidelined and out for good? (hint: just like how villians like jack/king/queen are out for good once they take massive damage) What happened after he took that? He came back and faced ENTIRE WB PIRATES. Few days later, he went on to chase the ENTIRE BB pirates. What must it be like to live in a world where the only two levels of damage one can take is "It didn't affect him!" or "It defeated him!"
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On January 02 2022 04:09 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2022 14:56 Shinokuki wrote:On January 01 2022 12:19 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2022 09:41 Shinokuki wrote:On January 01 2022 09:19 Sentenal wrote: How come when Whitebeard punches Akainu's shit in, it has to get explained by "uhhh sneak attack!" This Akainu-apologism is just insane and insulting to both characters. There are literally only two explanations for the "sneak attack". One, Akainu took his focus off of Whitebeard in the middle of a battle where he was obviously the most dangerous combatant on the battlefield and got punished for it (which makes it a point against Akainu). Or two, Whitebeard's rage at the time was enough to fuel him to close the distance on Akainu faster than Akainu was able to react/put up an effective defense against (which makes it a point for Whitebeard). And then implying that Akainu putting a hole in Whitebeard's face was what eventually killed him? Nah, that was Blackbeard's crew.
I don't think either character "whopped" the other's ass, as they both clearly dealt colossal damage to each other, but I don't see how you can read Whitebeard and Akainu's final encounter, where Whitebeard literally punches him through the fucking island, and say "yea, Akainu won that one" What colossal damage? Akainu wasn't even hurt. He faced entire WB pirates after that and didn't even need recovery to go chase entire BB pirates. You either didn't actually read what what happened, or are legitimately insane: https://i.imgur.com/i6fPQV9.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/H2BubaI.jpg Shouldn't he have been sidelined and out for good? (hint: just like how villians like jack/king/queen are out for good once they take massive damage) What happened after he took that? He came back and faced ENTIRE WB PIRATES. Few days later, he went on to chase the ENTIRE BB pirates. What must it be like to live in a world where the only two levels of damage one can take is "It didn't affect him!" or "It defeated him!"
As we know, Kaido did no damage to the scabbards on the roof, b/c Inu and Neko got up and beat Jack and Pero
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Sorry probably not the right thread to ask but I’ll give it a shot. Since animefreak got taken down I’ve had trouble finding a place to watch one piece online. I can’t use the only ”legal” source I know, crunchyroll, since OP is region restricted there and not available where I live.
Where do you guys watch the anime? Thanks in advance.
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watchop? thats where i used to watch it years ago https://www20.watchop.xyz/ seems like this is their site for now
is op on break this week again? werent we on break 2 weeks ago too
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On January 07 2022 17:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:watchop? thats where i used to watch it years ago https://www20.watchop.xyz/ seems like this is their site for now is op on break this week again? werent we on break 2 weeks ago too Shonen Jump is on break this week yeah. I'm not sure we're even getting 3 chapters this month.
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I watch anime on 9anime, last I checked they had plenty of OP
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On January 07 2022 17:03 Farewellfire wrote: Sorry probably not the right thread to ask but I’ll give it a shot. Since animefreak got taken down I’ve had trouble finding a place to watch one piece online. I can’t use the only ”legal” source I know, crunchyroll, since OP is region restricted there and not available where I live.
Where do you guys watch the anime? Thanks in advance. TBH I just torrent batches of them. You can find plenty of batches on Nyaa
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On January 07 2022 17:03 Farewellfire wrote: Sorry probably not the right thread to ask but I’ll give it a shot. Since animefreak got taken down I’ve had trouble finding a place to watch one piece online. I can’t use the only ”legal” source I know, crunchyroll, since OP is region restricted there and not available where I live.
Where do you guys watch the anime? Thanks in advance. Funimation has worked for me recently.
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On January 07 2022 21:54 Zambrah wrote: I watch anime on 9anime, last I checked they had plenty of OP
They in fact have all of the OP lol.
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Big chapter. This lends more ammo for the theory that the Gorosei are actually much older than they look. Also is the elephant Zou or does it have something to do with Jack?
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probably something Zou/the Minks are guarding, Zou being a fruit would be... bizarre, maybe Zou ate a special fruit long, long, unbelievably long ago though
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I'm pretty sure the fruit is the Gomu Gomu. We just had a whole chapter about it recently during the Jimbe vs. Who's Who fight. Apparently it was the fruit of the Sun God Nika. Or at least that what was heavily implied. Maybe if you awaken the Gomu Gomu you can do some crazy shit like maybe bend time and space?
Honestly, I'd much rather have Luffy's fruit remain some C rank paramecia that no one gives a shit about, but it seems like the story is pointing in the other direction, with it being some kind of chosen one fruit once you awaken it.
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I mean, I'd have figured if it was some uber-tier-mega-important fruit that, 1. they'd have identified it early since Luffy hasn't been shy about showing off his rubberness, 2. they'd have made a way more concerted effort to end Luffy's life, like by sending an admiral to kill Luffy basically full time, until they got the job done.
If they are talking about the Gomu Gomu no Mi then Im going to be disappointed because ignoring the "protagonist must have uber specialness!!!" nature of it, it also just feels like very convenient storytelling, and I find it out of place in OP.
I hope its something to do with Zou itself, or just almost anything that the World Government shouldn't have had colossal amounts of obvious intel on.
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theyve already been hinting that the gomu gomu fruit had a special history havent they? i think theyre referring to luffys fruit for sure
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Im going to put a firm Theory Answer and say the fruit theyre talking about is Tama's fruit, and Tama is currently somehow/has been calling out to Zou to come to her aid which is why Zous headed to Wano
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assuming there hasnt been a translation error, the gorosei just spoke about a certain fruit being awakened for the first time in centuries. the only character who is even close to awakening a fruit is luffy, and given that his fruit was specifically protected by the wg before, i dont see how theres any other candidate. im gonna guess that the power of luffys devil fruit isnt actually rubber or elasticism, but some other tangentially related power. ive been looking up as many theories as i could about luffys fruit though and havent been able to find a satisfactory answer, even from the hardcore one piece nerds
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It cuts to a panel of Zou though, half the chapter is of Luffy, but the construction of the chapter would indicate that the subject of the Gorosei's conversation would be related to Zou, it would be really bizarre and poor construction to have most of the chapter be Kaido vs. Luffy fighting, Gorosei cut away to talk about a special fruit "awakening," and then cut to not the primary subject of the chapter who theoretically would be the subject of their talk. If it instead cut back to Luffy actually awakening his fruit then yeah, but cutting to Zou would indicate they're not talking about Luffy.
Im honestly not even sure they mean awakening in the way that refers to Devil Fruits, possibly an issue with translation. Not to mention the issues with the statement, "That fruit is nothing but a legend for us, even now!" but they knew of and were in possession of the Gomu Gomu no Mi before Shanks stole it, they were in active possession of the fruit like what, a decade ago? The chapter is just constructed REALLY weirdly to be talking about the Gomu Gomu no Mi. I'm not saying its impossible or even improbable that they are talking about the Gomu Gomu no Mi, just that a lot of contextual clues indicate to me that its very possibly something else.
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On January 15 2022 00:13 evilfatsh1t wrote: assuming there hasnt been a translation error, the gorosei just spoke about a certain fruit being awakened for the first time in centuries. the only character who is even close to awakening a fruit is luffy, and given that his fruit was specifically protected by the wg before, i dont see how theres any other candidate. im gonna guess that the power of luffys devil fruit isnt actually rubber or elasticism, but some other tangentially related power. ive been looking up as many theories as i could about luffys fruit though and havent been able to find a satisfactory answer, even from the hardcore one piece nerds law and kid both awaken theirs not long ago
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