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On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really..
Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning.
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Northern Ireland20818 Posts
It’s certainly at least a potential factor specifically for prep tournaments, we’re not privy to all the internal goings on of course
SC2 isn’t quite as mechanically brutal as BW too, but more importantly there is way more information out there than at the peak Kespa era, there are streams, replay packs for many tournaments and also quite important too - basically all tournaments use WCS interface but even before the extra info that displays aesthetically (I was watching old tournies and wow I’d forgotten how bad the UI was in some), you have an omnipresent production tab basically always up. So it’s way easier to reverse engineer a build as soon as it’s out there.
There also isn’t Proleague anymore, so less incentive to hide builds overall. Players practice together and share ideas that would have been borderline trade secrets back in the day.
Basically all those factors and people who are teamless, or don’t actually have a team environment (most other teams are basically just sponsors at this point) can absolutely remain competitive, especially if they already had been through the Kespa regime and were already top players.
More than enough there to keep ticking over and remain in the shape needed to win a stacked weekender.
How does Maru rock up to the Super Tournament and show a pretty damn refined mech style that Artosis and presumably Stats hadn't seen before? Not just a few fancy allin builds, or a cute opening but a fully fleshed out schematic from early game to late that was largely really well-executed and also really quite different stylistically from that of Gumiho’s later games. And Gumiho has plenty of history in trying mech vP to boot.
Could you do this without a team house? Sure. Is it the optimal environment to develop something like that? Absolutely. You can get great practice in other ways, if you want to grind to prep a series like that, being in the same room as Trap, sOs and Cure who can put time into all pushing you to a high tournament placing is a nice spot to ge in. Also really helps to avoid any kind of leak too.
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On April 27 2019 07:42 Wombat_NI wrote: SC2 isn’t quite as mechanically brutal as BW too
Do you have any data on EPM and all or are you simply saying that because others have said so ?
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Northern Ireland20818 Posts
On April 27 2019 10:46 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2019 07:42 Wombat_NI wrote: SC2 isn’t quite as mechanically brutal as BW too Do you have any data on EPM and all or are you simply saying that because others have said so ? Playing them both/watching them both. SC2 is still pretty brutal that way too and has other ways it’s punishing. The team house environment produced players with a big enough mechanical advantage that as far as I’m aware no top players haven’t at least gone through that system at some point.
In SC2 you can get there without grinding in that environment, Serral being a case in point, and indeed some players have flourished away from it. In Maru’s case I think JAGW bring as it is may help a lot for a prep tournament, but doesn’t really give him other advantages over the scene, whereas if it was BW back in the day it definitely would have been a bigger advantage
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On April 27 2019 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2019 10:46 DieuCure wrote:On April 27 2019 07:42 Wombat_NI wrote: SC2 isn’t quite as mechanically brutal as BW too Do you have any data on EPM and all or are you simply saying that because others have said so ? Playing them both/watching them both. SC2 is still pretty brutal that way too and has other ways it’s punishing. The team house environment produced players with a big enough mechanical advantage that as far as I’m aware no top players haven’t at least gone through that system at some point. In SC2 you can get there without grinding in that environment, Serral being a case in point, and indeed some players have flourished away from it. In Maru’s case I think JAGW bring as it is may help a lot for a prep tournament, but doesn’t really give him other advantages over the scene, whereas if it was BW back in the day it definitely would have been a bigger advantage that's just theorizing since in bw there were no serious progamers not in a teamhouse
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This is one of the worst arguments I've read about it.
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I think they are eqaul mechanically demaning. I mean you can always do more if you have the (e)APM and the attention. While macro is probably easier in SC2 (due to MBS and the likes), micro isn't. You can always do more drops, more attacks, more multi pronged stuff, more spells
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. 4 of those months were against foreigners, I say we replace Serral with Dark(or any other top Korean) and see if they can do this at WCS.
That's nonsense, if you claim the teamhouse has such a huge advantage these players would be better.
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On April 29 2019 17:27 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. 4 of those months were against foreigners, I say we replace Serral with Dark(or any other top Korean) and see if they can do this at WCS. That's nonsense, if you claim the teamhouse has such a huge advantage these players would be better.
Dark's ZvZ isn't anywhere near Serral's ZvZ, sooooo pretty sure no, Dark couldn't with the ZvZ heavy top in EU
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On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning.
Serral does NOT have a GSL. GSL vs The world is not a GSL,
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On April 29 2019 19:39 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. Serral does NOT have a GSL. GSL vs The world is not a GSL,
Oh, indeed it is. He doesn't have a Code S title, but Serral is in fact the first foreigner winning a GSL event.
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On April 29 2019 19:45 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 19:39 Argonauta wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. Serral does NOT have a GSL. GSL vs The world is not a GSL, Oh, indeed it is. He doesn't have a Code S title, but Serral is in fact the first foreigner winning a GSL event.
Noup. Neeb Kespa Cup much more close to a GSL than the showmatch tournamet Serral won. Just because it has a branding name doesnt mean it is a GSL
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On April 29 2019 19:54 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 19:45 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 19:39 Argonauta wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. Serral does NOT have a GSL. GSL vs The world is not a GSL, Oh, indeed it is. He doesn't have a Code S title, but Serral is in fact the first foreigner winning a GSL event. Noup. Neeb Kespa Cup much more close to a GSL than the showmatch tournamet Serral won. Just because it has a branding name doesnt mean it is a GSL
What the hell should that mean? KeSpa Cup was not organized by Gom TV, unlike GSL vs the World; you can casually disregard it, but you definitely cannot say it's not a GSL event.
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On April 29 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 19:54 Argonauta wrote:On April 29 2019 19:45 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 19:39 Argonauta wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. Serral does NOT have a GSL. GSL vs The world is not a GSL, Oh, indeed it is. He doesn't have a Code S title, but Serral is in fact the first foreigner winning a GSL event. Noup. Neeb Kespa Cup much more close to a GSL than the showmatch tournamet Serral won. Just because it has a branding name doesnt mean it is a GSL What the hell should that mean? KeSpa Cup was not organized by Gom TV, unlike GSL vs the World; you can casually disregard it, but you definitely cannot say it's not a GSL event.
DO I need to explain it? I though it was obvious, but ok. When people think about GSL think about the hardest and more prestigeous SC2 tournament. Followed by Katowice and Kespa Cups (now known as Supertournaments).
The fact that dave4 used the name of GSL to refer a GSL vs the world is an attempt to put the latter at the same level to a Code S run, which is not.
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On April 29 2019 20:09 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 19:54 Argonauta wrote:On April 29 2019 19:45 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 19:39 Argonauta wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. Serral does NOT have a GSL. GSL vs The world is not a GSL, Oh, indeed it is. He doesn't have a Code S title, but Serral is in fact the first foreigner winning a GSL event. Noup. Neeb Kespa Cup much more close to a GSL than the showmatch tournamet Serral won. Just because it has a branding name doesnt mean it is a GSL What the hell should that mean? KeSpa Cup was not organized by Gom TV, unlike GSL vs the World(edit: actually Afreeca TV took them over, but the reasoning is the same); you can casually disregard it, but you definitely cannot say it's not a GSL event. DO I need to explain it? I though it was obvious, but ok. When people think about GSL think about the hardest and more prestigeous SC2 tournament. Followed by Katowice and Kespa Cups (now known as Supertournaments). The fact that dave4 used the name of GSL to refer a GSL vs the world is an attempt to put the latter at the same level to a Code S run, which is not.
I'll give you that the names of the events have changed kind of frequently throughout the years. In any of case, GSL events are all those organized by GOM TV(and Afreeca TV afterwards), GSL vs the World is one of them; Code S is the most prestigious one. Serral technically won a GSL event even if he never even try to qualify for Code S.
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On April 29 2019 18:56 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 17:27 deacon.frost wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. 4 of those months were against foreigners, I say we replace Serral with Dark(or any other top Korean) and see if they can do this at WCS. That's nonsense, if you claim the teamhouse has such a huge advantage these players would be better. Dark's ZvZ isn't anywhere near Serral's ZvZ, sooooo pretty sure no, Dark couldn't with the ZvZ heavy top in EU You actually think Dark wouldn't beat foreigners in bo5? What the fuck hahahaha :D
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On April 29 2019 20:24 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 18:56 Harris1st wrote:On April 29 2019 17:27 deacon.frost wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. 4 of those months were against foreigners, I say we replace Serral with Dark(or any other top Korean) and see if they can do this at WCS. That's nonsense, if you claim the teamhouse has such a huge advantage these players would be better. Dark's ZvZ isn't anywhere near Serral's ZvZ, sooooo pretty sure no, Dark couldn't with the ZvZ heavy top in EU You actually think Dark wouldn't beat foreigners in bo5? What the fuck hahahaha :D
I think he believes Dark wouldn't have won four consecutive WCS considering his ZvZ isn't at Serral's level.
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On April 29 2019 20:24 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 18:56 Harris1st wrote:On April 29 2019 17:27 deacon.frost wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. 4 of those months were against foreigners, I say we replace Serral with Dark(or any other top Korean) and see if they can do this at WCS. That's nonsense, if you claim the teamhouse has such a huge advantage these players would be better. Dark's ZvZ isn't anywhere near Serral's ZvZ, sooooo pretty sure no, Dark couldn't with the ZvZ heavy top in EU You actually think Dark wouldn't beat foreigners in bo5? What the fuck hahahaha :D
I actually think Serral >>>>> Dark in ZvZ, yes
On April 29 2019 19:54 Argonauta wrote: Noup. Neeb Kespa Cup much more close to a GSL than the showmatch tournamet Serral won. Just because it has a branding name doesnt mean it is a GSL
A tournament with a 100.000 $ is NOT a showmatch tournament... This is almost 4 times of what ST pays
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On April 29 2019 20:44 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 20:24 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 18:56 Harris1st wrote:On April 29 2019 17:27 deacon.frost wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. 4 of those months were against foreigners, I say we replace Serral with Dark(or any other top Korean) and see if they can do this at WCS. That's nonsense, if you claim the teamhouse has such a huge advantage these players would be better. Dark's ZvZ isn't anywhere near Serral's ZvZ, sooooo pretty sure no, Dark couldn't with the ZvZ heavy top in EU You actually think Dark wouldn't beat foreigners in bo5? What the fuck hahahaha :D I actually think Serral >>>>> Dark in ZvZ, yes Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 19:54 Argonauta wrote: Noup. Neeb Kespa Cup much more close to a GSL than the showmatch tournamet Serral won. Just because it has a branding name doesnt mean it is a GSL A tournament with a 100.000 $ is NOT a showmatch tournament... This is almost 4 times of what ST pays
It is a showmatch because there were no qualifiers, just a popular voting about who could attend with a lot of extra invitees.
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On April 29 2019 20:09 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 19:54 Argonauta wrote:On April 29 2019 19:45 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 19:39 Argonauta wrote:On April 27 2019 06:49 Dave4 wrote:On April 27 2019 06:40 deacon.frost wrote:Such a huge advantage, just look at Rogue, what an awesome 2019 is he having. Or sOs... JAGW house such advantegeous the won IEM. oh, no. They won WESG. Oh, no. Ah, the GSL... Like, seriously? Again? What a huge advantage they have... (well, considering the best paying tourney in KOrea is Code S it makes kinda sense, but doesn't make sense for IEM or Blizzcon, right? ) Edit> On par with Serral? Serrral won 4 foreigner tournaments while being top 4 player!!! That's like celebrating Ronaldo being able to win against amateurs... c'mon. Code S at least still has the top players (Except Serral) As I said I think those tournaments are more 'anyones game' so not surprising that soO, Inno and Classic took out the most recent weekenders really.. Yes Serral also went on a 9 month undefeated streak you might recall (nothing comparable in sc2 history) which included a GSL and BlizzCon so I think it is certainly worth mentioning. Serral does NOT have a GSL. GSL vs The world is not a GSL, Oh, indeed it is. He doesn't have a Code S title, but Serral is in fact the first foreigner winning a GSL event. Noup. Neeb Kespa Cup much more close to a GSL than the showmatch tournamet Serral won. Just because it has a branding name doesnt mean it is a GSL What the hell should that mean? KeSpa Cup was not organized by Gom TV, unlike GSL vs the World; you can casually disregard it, but you definitely cannot say it's not a GSL event. DO I need to explain it? I though it was obvious, but ok. When people think about GSL think about the hardest and more prestigeous SC2 tournament. Followed by Katowice and Kespa Cups (now known as Supertournaments). The fact that dave4 used the name of GSL to refer a GSL vs the world is an attempt to put the latter at the same level to a Code S run, which is not. I said GSL not Code S so I'm unsure why you're confused. And of course it was a prestigious tournament, it was one of 14 premiers in the year.
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