It is but at least some events you have a bragging right winning them. For WESG, people just said you won 200K. Literally, that is what Artosis and Tasteless said regarding TY winning WESG. WESG has no prestige associated with it.
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Vutalisk
United States679 Posts
It is but at least some events you have a bragging right winning them. For WESG, people just said you won 200K. Literally, that is what Artosis and Tasteless said regarding TY winning WESG. WESG has no prestige associated with it. | ||
brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 19 2018 05:45 travis wrote: saying things like this is akin to saying "i don't agree with you, so stop talking" which is the correct thing to say when an entire line of complaint is about something that hurts nobody, affects nothing and can only further marginalize an already niche community with a reputation for absurd unnecessary internal drama and negativity | ||
Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On November 19 2018 13:05 Vutalisk wrote: It is but at least some events you have a bragging right winning them. For WESG, people just said you won 200K. Literally, that is what Artosis and Tasteless said regarding TY winning WESG. WESG has no prestige associated with it. Literraly everyone in the scene will be envious of 200K dollars prize pool, and very little will find a problem with the best player being invited. | ||
Starcloud
110 Posts
On November 18 2018 00:22 vyzion87 wrote: just remember that this is all business, at the very core. serral is at the top and he will bring more eyes, which attracts more sponsors, which incentivize event producers to produce these events and more. not saying invites and requiring advertising is necessary, but it's necessary for producers and gamers to make money to keep the scene healthy. I'm sure you already konw this though This. Its a "private" tournament, so they can invite/organize it however they want. If they can get more viewers/sponsors/money in by giving invites for some advertising, its all good. We already have WCS/GSL and many other tournaments that are run with basic rulings. In fact, I would really love to have more variety in tournaments, some special invite-only tournaments and even some more relaxed ones as well (besides the excellent HSC). The more the merrier. People should really realize, that all the money comes from somewhere. In SC2-scene, there really is need for more of it to keep scene healthier and even the most whined Korean scene more populated. No, money shouldnt determine the whole structures of tournaments or the scene itself, but neither it cant be ignored when planning about future of Starcraft. | ||
brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 19 2018 17:20 Starcloud wrote: This. Its a "private" tournament, so they can invite/organize it however they want. If they can get more viewers/sponsors/money in by giving invites for some advertising, its all good. We already have WCS/GSL and many other tournaments that are run with basic rulings. In fact, I would really love to have more variety in tournaments, some special invite-only tournaments and even some more relaxed ones as well (besides the excellent HSC). The more the merrier. People should really realize, that all the money comes from somewhere. In SC2-scene, there really is need for more of it to keep scene healthier and even the most whined Korean scene more populated. No, money shouldnt determine the whole structures of tournaments or the scene itself, but neither it cant be ignored when planning about future of Starcraft. it's not even about money. remove business from this equation and there's still zero ethical problem with any of this due to serral's stature as a player and the tournament organizers' sovereignty in whom they want to invite. at my work we host small local wrestling events, and the same few wrestlers are always there because they're popular and their association makes the event and their community inherently stronger. no, wrestling is not exactly "competitive" in the way SC2 is (in fact i think wrestling is dogshit), but the reality of how to generate buzz in a niche sporting community is the same. there's nothing "fair" about the playoff structure of any sports league or tournament. that's why people debate format so often, because everything has pros and cons. i can't put into words how obscenely petty i think it is to act like some kind of line has been crossed here. people need to chill, just celebrate serral and enjoy starcraft instead of making up problems. | ||
11cc
Finland561 Posts
On November 19 2018 18:30 brickrd wrote: there's nothing "fair" about the playoff structure of any sports league or tournament. that's why people debate format so often, because everything has pros and cons. i can't put into words how obscenely petty i think it is to act like some kind of line has been crossed here. people need to chill, just celebrate serral and enjoy starcraft instead of making up problems. I'd say most of the regular formats are pretty fair. | ||
Harris1st
Germany6140 Posts
On November 18 2018 01:29 ZeRoX_TV wrote: I completely agree, but, it does give some players motivation to compete with high level players, maybe this the way some hidden talent from China, Bulgaria or Serbia comes up and do a surprise. On the other way this tournament have a huge price pool and is obviously unrepresented, 80 percent of qualies arent streamed. And WESG might be comparable to some strong tournaments like IEM and price pool is more similar to Blizzcon. As someone who qualified for China and I know I have zero chance to beat anyone and would gladly donate my ot to someone more skilled from Europe, NA or Korea if its possible. I am sure that format of tournament will change when WESG becomes more popular as it should be. Its huge. Well, gratulations dude! Good job and good luck in the tournament | ||
StasisField
United States1062 Posts
On November 19 2018 19:38 11cc wrote: I'd say most of the regular formats are pretty fair. A lot of regular formats do a playoffs with a seeding where the highest ranking competitor/team plays against the lowest ranking competitor/team. Critics of these formats usually see this as a "rich get richer" situation where the best players are given the easiest matches in what many see as an attempt to indirectly produce the most anticipated high-level match possible out of those competing. And yeah, it's pretty much true, but I don't see that as "unfair". In fact, I see it as appropriate to give the best of the best from the regular half of the season an advantage going into the playoffs. A reward for their labor. Some people see that as wrong, others see it as justified. It really comes down to how you view things | ||
imp42
398 Posts
On November 20 2018 02:10 StasisField wrote: A lot of regular formats do a playoffs with a seeding where the highest ranking competitor/team plays against the lowest ranking competitor/team. Critics of these formats usually see this as a "rich get richer" situation where the best players are given the easiest matches in what many see as an attempt to indirectly produce the most anticipated high-level match possible out of those competing. And yeah, it's pretty much true, but I don't see that as "unfair". In fact, I see it as appropriate to give the best of the best from the regular half of the season an advantage going into the playoffs. A reward for their labor. Some people see that as wrong, others see it as justified. It really comes down to how you view things The format decision is less about fairness than about incentives. If you choose “playoff” (= loser is out) and the best team will NOT face the weakest, then there is little incentive to finish the regular season as the best team. The implications on entertainment value is obvious. If you choose “round-based” (=loser still has a chance, total points after x rounds are relevant) then it is perfectly fine to let winners of each round compete against each other. | ||
Stormhoof
Serbia182 Posts
On November 19 2018 19:53 Harris1st wrote: Well, gratulations dude! Good job and good luck in the tournament Thanks | ||
Azhrak
Finland1182 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6140 Posts
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On December 05 2018 22:07 Harris1st wrote: I just saw Stephano is qualified for Africa? Is he half tunisian? Clever fellow this one :D Yeah, he did it last year as well. | ||
CynicalDeath
Italy2573 Posts
edit: at least they can try in only one of the qualifiers available | ||
WeakOwl
25 Posts
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TaKeTV
Germany1189 Posts
On November 17 2018 11:18 Waxangel wrote: I think this would have bothered me more a long time ago, but I've grown more and more cynical and accepting about the fact that sports is more entertainment than competition (it only has to be competitive enough to keep the majority of fans happy). However, I do think the "BlizzCon champ should get a seed" line of thinking really misses the point, because it's the PRINCIPLE of the act (giving star players any kind of preferential treatment in exchange for promotion) that's interesting here, not the specifics of this particular case. I imagine there's some line to be crossed that most fans would find distasteful. For instance, what would people think if WESG offered a seed to a player who's not as universally revered like Serral, but has a similar amount of reach/popularity? Hypothetically, what if they had given TIME—a far lesser player than Serral but probably the most known in the Chinese market—the same offer? I don't know about your first statement that sports is more about entertainment than competition but for the second part: In case they would have invited him regardless of he accepted or declined the need to do promo (as long as we do not have any proof of that its merely speculation as well btw) I believe its fine. If his invite was bound to doing promo as well I believe it was wrong. | ||
BlueStar
Bulgaria1152 Posts
On November 19 2018 13:05 Vutalisk wrote: It is but at least some events you have a bragging right winning them. For WESG, people just said you won 200K. Literally, that is what Artosis and Tasteless said regarding TY winning WESG. WESG has no prestige associated with it. It's always this way when east and west clash. Nowadays all the media and attention is trying to get away from China. As you said by yourself as a westerner you don't care so much about the tournament - this is because there isn't such media hype and talk about it. In fact this is maybe the 2nd largest tournament (after blizzcon) where people from any place in the world can face each other. And also another fact is that Chinese companies hold >50% of the gaming world if you don't know. I personally believe that In the real near future blizzcon won't be as significant in esports as other tournaments e.g. compared to DotA2 the prizes in SC2 are like breadcrumbs. Just matters the point of view you have. $200 000 prize is not a thing to neglect. | ||
Wyrd
United States211 Posts
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On December 05 2018 23:42 Wyrd wrote: Why are you assuming it was an exchange for social media? If they invited Serral and he didn’t have the banner on his stream no one would be surprised. He has “earned” his invite regardless I'm not 100% sure about it. The other option would be that WESG had a separate deal with Serral for advertising, which is possible but to me it feels less likely. | ||
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