Clean Sweep Career Grand Slams

On April 30 2018 21:56 jtan wrote:
Great read. It would be interesting to know the ranking in terms of total number of 3:0's people achieved in their careers too. One of my most memorable ones was the Ever OSL Semi-Finals Bo5 between boxer and yellow, where before the games many counted out boxer as being past his prime, and then he finished the series in 30 minutes with his unique and well microed 8-rax variation. Good times.

Thanks for putting all the info togehter!

On May 01 2018 00:28 Letmelose wrote:


The number one player in terms of the total number of shut-out best-of-five victories as far as I'm aware of is NaDa with eleven.

I'm not totally sure for the number one player who suffered the most number of shut-outs during their professional careers, but I believe it was Stork with five.

For a more comprehensive list of people who dished out, or were on the receiving end of the most number of clean sweeps, I'd have to look into the careers of many more players.

BoxeR, regardless of his form or the level of his opponent, had incredible competitive spirit (almost too much at times), which is part of the reason why despite his long lasting career, and the incredible turn-over of top level talent he witnessed after his ascension to the top, BoxeR only suffered two shut-outs in his entire professional career. Once by the terran-versus-terran god XellOs, and once against sAviOr at the peak of his powers.

On May 01 2018 04:56 jtan wrote:

Cool, makes sense it's Nada, he was dominating for such a long time

On May 01 2018 13:15 Shady Sands wrote:
Eh, this list would look a lot different if you didn't count showmatches like the GomTV Classic and only counted OSL / MSL semifinals and finals.

On May 01 2018 13:37 Letmelose wrote:


Considering players such as BoxeR and NaDa played in an era where you had to reach the finals to play a single best-of-five, I would agree entirely.

If we made it somewhat fair for everyone involved (BoxeR's prime came before the creation of KPGA Tournaments, so it still wouldn't quite be fair), and only counted the finals of major individual leagues, we would end up discussing the greatest players within the confines of the finals of major individual leagues, which is a slightly different topic from what I am discussing currently.

Anyway if we changed the parameters to only include major individual leagues hosted by Ongamenet and MBC Game studios, nobody would end up completing the clean sweep grand slam. This blog would be a whole lot of context followed by an empty list, and we would just be discussing what happened in the finals of various individual leagues and what could have been.

I guess if we only count the semi-finals and finals of OGN StarLeague and MBC Game StarLeague for that extra bias towards the KeSPA draftee era, I guess the list would change as follows:

1. NaDa: Completes the clean sweep career grand slam on 1st November 2006

3:0 victory versus Reach (P) in the finals of 3rd KPGA Tournament
3:0 victory versus ChoJJa (Z) in the finals of 4th KPGA Tournament
3:0 victory versus GoodFriend (T) in the semi-finals of Shinhan OGN StarLeague S2

2. Jaedong: Completes the clean sweep career grand slam on 27th March 2009

3:0 versus UpMaGiC (T) in the semi-finals of EVER 2007 OGN StarLeague
3:0 versus Much (P) in the semi-finals of Arena MSL
3:0 herO (Z) in the semi-finals of Batoo OGN StarLeague

This is exactly what you ordered for. I hope this shortened list is to your liking.

On May 01 2018 13:42 Shady Sands wrote:


You're missing the Hana Daetoo MSL finals.

On May 01 2018 14:28 Shady Sands wrote:
The really annoying part is you're taking advantage of the fact that most people who are currently new to TL weren't paying attention to BW during 2009-10 and creating these whitewashed lists of stats that conveniently gloss over Flash's domination of Jaedong (and everyone else) during that timeframe - or make it seem like Jaedong was, overall, a better player than Flash (which he wasn't, not if you go by KeSPA rankings or weighted ELO from June 2009 onwards or any statistic that is even remotely holistic).

It's almost like you're compensating for something. Maybe it's that Jaedong was always second to Flash after the Spring of 2010? Or that Jaedong never peaked high enough to be considered a Bonjwa? Either way, your effort is to be applauded but your psychosis is insane. I hope you get help.

From the Jan 2008 KeSPA rankings onwards, Flash was the ranked by the most official ranking system as the best player in Starcraft for 34 whole months out out of 58 - or over 50% of the time (while Jaedong was only ranked the best 16 months out of 58). From Jan 2010 onwards until the end of professional Brood War, Flash was ranked as the best player 30 months out of 34.

On May 01 2018 15:25 Shady Sands wrote:
Why must people limit themselves simply to the topic you want to discuss in these threads? You don't own them.

The reason I bring up KeSPA rankings is because they are a much more objective ranking of players than the cherry-picked lists you keep building (and which, conveniently, nearly always list Jaedong over Flash.) I comment in your blogs to make sure people who read them don't get the wrong idea about which players are better than the other.

I will repeat myself below: Flash is a better player than Jaedong. That has been the case, according to KeSPA, since March of 2010. That has been the case, according to OSL and MSL results, since Flash defeated Jaedong in 3 straight OSL and MSL finals in 2010 (and whereupon Jaedong never reached a single OSL or MSL finals afterwards). And since then, Flash has been overwhelmingly the best player in Korean BW. No amount of blogs you write will change that simple fact.



If you ban me off your blog, all it means is that you can't accept it when the facts disagree with the narrative you're trying to sell. And for someone who claims to be as much of an empiricist as you, that must really sting.

You can't ban facts, buddy.

On May 01 2018 15:32 RJGooner wrote:
Great post as always. Really appreciate reading these blogs.

Seeing this list reminded me of how awesome a player Iris was. Shame that he never actually won a title but I still love that sick series he played against Savior in the OSL.