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And I don't agree that it's random BS.
Think of it like this. If I yell and scream to lynch someone for an entire day, then I use my Pardoner role to save him and get the 2nd guy lynched instead, what would you think of me? That is essentially what rayn did.
It is objectively the only correct play to lynch rayn. Which actually goes against what I thought about him after reading his diatribe about me and you being mafia.
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Vivax is hardcore downplaying it and it's really fucking bugging me.
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It was just a terrible accident
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On May 13 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:09 Palmar wrote: Am I wrong to interpret that df would have been lynched if rayn had simply stayed on df instead of switching to vivax? It would have been a tie but impossible to tell who would get lynched in that situation from a player's perspective, I really thought it was df. Ergo rayn jumped off his own mafia wagon for no reason. Then he says we're dumb for not following him post flip. Then he returns and says he thought df was town. So we're dumb for not following him onto town df. Aka rayn is inconsistent and tilted. Aka mafia. Aka lynch all rayns
Actually I'm gonna back off a bit on what I just wrote.
Turns out when rayn left the df wagon it was 5 people on damdred and 3 on df. Grack's vote for df came literally at last second. rayn did indeed NOT save df because even if he'd stayed it was 5-3 and would've gone down to 4-4 with damdred getting there first with the Grack switch.
so I'm gonna relax a bit about that rayn vote.
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I feel rather confident df is town from the activity last night tbh.
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On May 13 2017 00:15 Holyflare wrote: Vivax is hardcore downplaying it and it's really fucking bugging me. There is very little Vivax mafia motivation for downplaying it.
If you and I are both hammering a case against his scumbuddy, his best bet is to just go with it and try to come out ahead in the end. He's not dumb, he knows he's not gonna defend rayn if you and I are both gunning for him.
Additionally, he could be TMI-ing, but again, to what end? The tiny credit he'd get for calming the situation compared to the benefit of allowing townrayn to argue with townrayn and townhf all tomorrow is simply a bad deal.
Like the takeaway you should be getting from this is that Vivax probably genuinely thinks we're making a big deal out of nothing. Which I'm slightly more open to now that I realize exactly how things went down.
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annoys me a tiny little bit how militant hf is about this when the truth turns out to be a lot more nuanced than the picture he's trying to paint.
Hf is actually a pretty good candidate for mafia.
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On May 13 2017 00:02 Vivax wrote: Tomorrow it might be time to bring out the thumbscrews for LS ?
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When I reread your filter I was warming up to Grack being scum again. And the subservient thread cop post by HF.
Now all I hear about is rayn this rayn that. I literally ctrl-f his filter for "work" and I get a general idea for why he's so mad.
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Also if rayn is scum his play at EoD would make a little bit more sense honestly assuming both wagons EoD were town thus it wouldn't of matter who we lynched it would be a mislynch which scums wants to have happened.
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I've seen many facettes of rayn but when I saw him play the super tilted scum part, he typically didn't contribute much. He was hydraing with mocsta in that game and one game after he did it again.
His biggish post sounded kinda townie and tbh when someone says I'm going to work and then I'm going to drink it does raise a few eyebrows about their current state.
I'm making a lot of assumptions here.but whatevs, I'm mostly posting at maximum laziness atm. Tomorrow maybe someone will ruffle my feathers and the dam will break. I could use a good whipping.
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On May 12 2017 19:04 Skynx wrote: How about you give me two reasons why i am scum now without cherrypicking?
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On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1? Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that.
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I love just about everything Vivax has written this game, which probably means he's mafia because the real Vivax isn't reasonable and thoughtful.
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On May 11 2017 22:35 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 22:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 11 2017 22:28 Grackaroni wrote:On May 11 2017 22:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote: Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least. Oh Palmar shot off three posts in a row that seemed really bad to me, like he wasn't actually evaluating anything. The point I was making was that you were citing both Palmar and DF's points to scum read me when they were completely contradictory, which it seemed like you recognized when you said that you didn't actually agree with Palmar's argument. Trying to use both just because they share the same conclusion is just scummy imo. Also I don't see how I am underwhelming, you stole what Rayn/I said to form a fuba town read and that was one of your only two reads. The other one is one that pretty much everyone else said. I have no qualms with being called underwhelming though lol. And this post just highlights what I'm confused about you. You're still stating it's scummy yet everyone you have wanted to lynch (vivax/df/palmar/damdred) are not me. Your posts don't match your other posts. Where is the conclusion and vote? Why have you stopped 24/7 scum reading me like normal? You might be scum. I feel like you're one of the only one's that's actually putting time in thread to try to read me though, so even if you may be scum you're still coming off as townier than some other people.
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This post is saying literally nothing.
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I'm not quite ready to forgive everyone who voted for Damdred. The more I read his shit the more townie he sounds.
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On May 12 2017 15:31 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think I've been that bad of a troll this game tbh. I was kind of clueless at the end of the day but most of us acted like chickens with our heads cut off. again appealing to a group.
This guy is definitely mafia.
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On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1? Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that. The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1?
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